Re: [Finale] [With apologies to Artie Johnson] Verrrrrry Interrrresting!!!

2007-05-28 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Friends, Some of you may be more aware of us than I was. Back in January I observed on the Finale website, an updated "Finale Viewer", and wrote: Friends, So, while looking on the Finale website for something else, I found that the Finale Viewer is back, promoted as "...the easy, fast, and

Re: [Finale] very OT: Orchestras by Howell

2007-05-28 Thread Carl Dershem
Raymond Horton wrote: I'll be here all week, folks. Don't forget to tip your waiters. How many degrees, and in what direction? cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] very OT: Orchestras by Howell

2007-05-28 Thread Raymond Horton
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: ...a very intriguing claim of an 1818 (!) "first official resident symphony orchestra," founded by the Society of St Cecilia in Louisville, KY (Ray Horton - any knowledge of that group?) Just how old do you think I am? I'll be here all week, folks. Don'

Re: [Finale] O.T. Boston Early Music Festival and Graupner

2007-05-28 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Who's putting it on in St. Louis? Do they have a resident early music (=Telemann era) group? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - From: "Kim Patrick Clow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Finale]

Re: [Finale] O.T. Boston Early Music Festival and Graupner

2007-05-28 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Are there any special Valentine's Day performances scheduled? Sounds like a lovers' concerto par excellence! Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - From: "Kim Patrick Clow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:18 AM Subj

Re: [Finale] very OT: Orchestras by Howell

2007-05-28 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Easy! Theodore Thomas founded his own orchestra in 1862 in New York and toured regularly beginning in 1869 - primarily in the summers, but not exclusively in that season. In addition to New York, they regularly toured to (among other locations) Boston, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Chi

Re: [Finale] very OT: Orchestras by Howell

2007-05-28 Thread John Howell
At 1:24 PM -0700 5/28/07, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Oh, John (Howell) -- you wily arbitrator, you! I have absolutely no disagreement with your logic, rationalizations or concepts.It all makes sense to me; I'll even hide raised eyebrows resulting from the omission of touring orches

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance (1960)

2007-05-28 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Have mercy! Just think of the possibilities. Dean On May 28, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Dean Estabrook wrote: begging the issue, I know.> And Les replies: Well, sure he did.Which makes sense in light of the (alleged) exchange in which Lenny said to Ned Rorem:

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Darcy ... good point. I almost quake to say this, but, Shenker (I know, I know) would have it that the bottom note of the first perfect fifth you can find starting from the bottom up, would define the tonal center (lacking that, the top note of the first perfect fourth). But, practically s

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
I really don't think this works for more highly chromatic music. If I play every chromatic pitch on the piano simultaneously (with the aid of a 2x4, natch), where's the discernible tonal center? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 28 May 2007, at 3:56 PM, Dean M. Estab

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance (1960)

2007-05-28 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Dean Estabrook wrote: And Les replies: Well, sure he did.Which makes sense in light of the (alleged) exchange in which Lenny said to Ned Rorem: "The trouble with you and me, Ned, is that we want everyone in the world to personally love us, and of course that's impossible: you just don't m

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 28, 2007, at 3:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 28 May 2007 at 9:01, Christopher Smith wrote: The other weakness that you point out, that he chose his examples based on their adherence to his theories and ranked the "masters" according to who fit into his analysis the best, well that's

Re: [Finale] very OT: Orchestras (was John Cage's)

2007-05-28 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 28, 2007, at 2:53 PM, John Howell wrote: My, my, my, this has certainly been the week for arguing semantics, rather passionately, over arguing reality!! We've established that "tonal" has at least 3 different meanings to different people, and that those meanings are mutually excl

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance (1960)

2007-05-28 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
On May 28, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On May 26, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Phil Daley wrote: Snip Whoa! Don't go off the deep end. First of all, notice the dates: I was talking about those active in roughly the first half of the 20th c., and not all of them. The best estimate I have

Re: [Finale] very OT: Orchestras by Howell

2007-05-28 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Oh, John (Howell) -- you wily arbitrator, you! I have absolutely no disagreement with your logic, rationalizations or concepts.It all makes sense to me; I'll even hide raised eyebrows resulting from the omission of touring orchestras (even those in existence for many years with extensive c

Re: [Finale] O.T. Boston Early Music Festival and Graupner

2007-05-28 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 5/28/07, Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sounds absolutely fascinating! Please let us know if and when any recording is released. The St Louis concert will be recorded and available for purchase as a podcast. The Telemann E Major Concerto for the same ensemble of solo instrument

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Ok, ok ... forget for a sec that I cited the SOB. I still aver that when one finds a vertical aggregate with a fifth or it's inversion in it, therein lies a discernible tonal center. The last data I heard relating to this phenomena, from musicological studies world wide, proposed the th

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread David W. Fenton
On 28 May 2007 at 9:01, Christopher Smith wrote: > Schenker is much maligned (by, among others, you) but like Freud, he > wasn't so much right or precise as revolutionary. He opened some > doors and changed the way we (well, I) thought about music. Sure he > was weak on some things, but I think

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread David W. Fenton
On 28 May 2007 at 9:01, Christopher Smith wrote: > The other weakness that you point out, that he chose his examples > based on their adherence to his theories and ranked the "masters" > according to who fit into his analysis the best, well that's just > stupidity Did Schenker actually do that

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance (1960)

2007-05-28 Thread dhbailey
Andrew Stiller wrote: [snip] it.* It is still possible, of course, for an American to express disdain of classical music--but there's no pat expression to do it with anymore. For many people, simply calling it "classical music" is enough. No need for a separate pejorative term. -- David H

Re: [Finale] very OT: Orchestras (was John Cage's)

2007-05-28 Thread John Howell
At 10:28 AM -0700 5/28/07, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Andrew: I simply do not buy the premise that (and pardon my simplification of my perception of your premise) if an orchestra didn't offer regular series of concerts and stay in existence for.how many years? 10? 20? 100? then it

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 28, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On May 28, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Ken Moore wrote: "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you have a perfect fifth, or perfect fourth in a vertical aggregate, you have, according to Schenker, a tonal center present. That's one

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's/19th century - and beyond!

2007-05-28 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Andrew -- It's not a matter of disingenuousness - or my not comprehending your comment; I certainly did. This thread arose out of the comments I made regarding dissemination of serious music in this country in the 19th century.You may reinvent the criteria for what is and what is not an or

Re: [Finale] printing to large format

2007-05-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 11:51 AM 5/28/2007, Bob Shuster wrote: >I've been trying to no avail to print a score to large (tabloid - >11x17) paper from Finale. I've tried adjusting the page setup, tried >all sorts of stuff in the print dialog, tried all sorts of settings >with my printer - all to no avail. There are ac

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance (1960)

2007-05-28 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 26, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Phil Daley wrote: At 12:41 PM 5/26/2007, Andrew Stiller wrote: >IMO the cultural shift has been in the opposite direction. The >fundamental antipathy among ordinary Americans toward classical music >has its origins in the country's founding. In the 18th c., almost

Re: [Finale] O.T. Boston Early Music Festival and Graupner

2007-05-28 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 28, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: If you are attending the Boston Early Music Festival, I would like to invite you to the world premiere of an edition I've prepared: Christoph Graupner's Ouverture in A Major for flute d'amore, oboe d'amore, and viola d'amore, strings and cont

Re: [Finale] printing to large format

2007-05-28 Thread Carl Dershem
Bob Shuster wrote: I've been trying to no avail to print a score to large (tabloid - 11x17) paper from Finale. I've tried adjusting the page setup, tried all sorts of stuff in the print dialog, tried all sorts of settings with my printer - all to no avail. Setup is MacPro (Intel) running OS

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 28, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Ken Moore wrote: "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you have a perfect fifth, or perfect fourth in a vertical aggregate, you have, according to Schenker, a tonal center present. That's one authority who carries little weight with me. Schenker w

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's/19th century - and beyond!

2007-05-28 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 27, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: I was responding to Andrew's statement that there was no American symphony orchestras in the mid-late 19th c.except for the NY Phil and Theodore Thomas's touring outfit.> Period! No exceptions were made for permanency or le

[Finale] printing to large format

2007-05-28 Thread Bob Shuster
I've been trying to no avail to print a score to large (tabloid - 11x17) paper from Finale. I've tried adjusting the page setup, tried all sorts of stuff in the print dialog, tried all sorts of settings with my printer - all to no avail. Setup is MacPro (Intel) running OS X 10.4.9 & Finale

[Finale] O.T. Boston Early Music Festival and Graupner

2007-05-28 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Good Morning: If you are attending the Boston Early Music Festival, I would like to invite you to the world premiere of an edition I've prepared: Christoph Graupner's Ouverture in A Major for flute d'amore, oboe d'amore, and viola d'amore, strings and continuo. Concerto Antico will be performing

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 28, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Ken Moore wrote: "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I perceive that there is a hang up on this thread, that we gotta have a leading tone present to qualify for tonality. Tonality can also be established by just plain harmonies or single chords. If

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance (1960)

2007-05-28 Thread Phil Daley
At 11:49 PM 5/26/2007, Christopher Smith wrote: > >On May 26, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Phil Daley wrote: > >> Rock music is non-tonal? That's news to me. Doesn't it do 1-4-5-1? > >Not too much of it these days. I guess you don't put on a radio very >often (not that I blame you for that) but I have a t

Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance

2007-05-28 Thread Ken Moore
"Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I perceive that there is a hang up on this thread, that we gotta have a leading tone present to qualify for tonality. Tonality can also be established by just plain harmonies or single chords. If you have a perfect fifth, or perfect fourth in a

Re: [Finale] berlioz notation programme

2007-05-28 Thread shirling & neueweise
et que tu cliques sur n'importe quel titre, tu as ensuite pour chaque titre une ou plusieurs pages en PDF. oui... pas très intéressant... ça ne donne pas vraiment d'idée de ce que le logiciel peut faire. Crissq'ça coule de coolitude! eh ben, tu l'as, l'affaire! m'a't'montrer n'affaire,

Re: [Finale] berlioz notation programme

2007-05-28 Thread shirling & neueweise
There are few major publishers among the list, besides the Centre de musique baroque de Versailles ... On the CMBV's own site, there are hundreds of sample pages available. dennis, où as-tu trouvé les exemples? je n'y trouve rien. -- ** upcoming event, CMBV's editions are set with berlioz