[Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Randolph Peters
Daniel Wolf wrote: Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional users of Finale User since version 1.0 Among other things, I've written 3 operas in Finale and use pretty much every feature except gu

Re: [Finale] Finale

2007-10-10 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Side note, I received yet another upgrade today flyer from MakeMusic. I think this is the third one from them (since I have two copies of Finale 2007) Marvin Rosenthal wrote: I've been a long time (since 2000) user and have remained on version 2006 because of all the problems noted on

RE: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Richard Yates
- I am a long term amateur user (with six books published). - I will not upgrade to Fin2008 (the first I skipped in ten years). - I ill be reluctant to upgrade to 2009 unless bug fixes are made. - I check out each new Sibelius version to see if it can do what I need. Richard Yates >-Original

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread shirling & neueweise
That description might apply to John Howell and me. 15 workstations (all of them) at my school upgraded this year to Sibelius 5, but not Finale. yeh i figgerd i could shake you out! 8-) -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.c

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Barbara Touburg
I have one! A very large blue one! (guess where it came from - thanks, Carla!) Eric Dannewitz wrote: Or tee-shirts. I need my tee-shirts! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Bruce Clausen
Thanks, David and Richard. Am tweaking happily away! BC - Original Message - From: "Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08 Bruce Clausen wrote: On Fin's side, I don't yet see in Sib the ability to tweak

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 10, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 10.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: What did they say to you when they informed you that you would not be beta testing any more? They did not inform me at all. Nada. I eventually asked why I hadn't heard. It took them two weeks to r

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:43 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote: additional weight could be given to such a compilation as you have suggested if responders gave an indication of how many potential finale users they have suggested use sibelius instead, and if certain people could let MM know that

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Bruce Clausen
I don't know about morphing . . . When I posted to the list that I was going to get the Sib Competitive Upgrade, one reply asked me to keep the list informed as to my progress/lack thereof. So that is what I did. I was just fortunate that someone knew the solution to my problem. Bruce -

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Or tee-shirts. I need my tee-shirts! shirling & neueweise wrote: No no no. You can't do that. Make them participate on a list? Then they would have to respond to feedback. They might be confronted with things that they need to fix. We won't get the new, fluffy Pokemon notation that will be i

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I think it was jef chippewa dhbailey wrote: A few months ago Bob Morabito (I think it was him -- if not, I apologize to whomever it was) posted the e-mail addresses of the COO, CTO, CEO and several others at MakeMusic and posted a copy of the letter he sent (with CC: to all of them) listin

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Ah, it has finally happened. The Finale List is now morphing into a Sibelius list. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just an interesting example of Darwin's thesis. Dean On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:23 PM, Richard Smith wrote: Bruce Clausen wrote: On Fin's side, I don't yet see in Sib th

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread shirling & neueweise
posted the e-mail addresses of the COO, CTO, CEO and several others at MakeMusic and posted a copy of the letter he sent (with CC: to all of them) listing his concerns and complaints and he urged any/all of us to do the same. I did, writing my own letter and sending it to the same recipients

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Richard Smith
Bruce Clausen wrote: On Fin's side, I don't yet see in Sib the ability to tweak things, e.g. hairpins, expression placement, slurs, etc., but this may be that I haven't yet found the means of doing so. So far, I believe that Sib is more the way I like to work . . . but it is way too soon for a

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread dhbailey
If by "tweaking" things, you mean adjusting the placement of individual items in the music, simply click on it and either drag it or use the cursor keys to move it. If you mean "edit" then you can do a lot of that under House Style menu, Edit Text Styles -- to Sibelius expressions are just a s

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 10.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: What did they say to you when they informed you that you would not be beta testing any more? They did not inform me at all. Nada. I eventually asked why I hadn't heard. It took them two weeks to reply. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http:/

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread dhbailey
A few months ago Bob Morabito (I think it was him -- if not, I apologize to whomever it was) posted the e-mail addresses of the COO, CTO, CEO and several others at MakeMusic and posted a copy of the letter he sent (with CC: to all of them) listing his concerns and complaints and he urged any/al

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread shirling & neueweise
No no no. You can't do that. Make them participate on a list? Then they would have to respond to feedback. They might be confronted with things that they need to fix. We won't get the new, fluffy Pokemon notation that will be included in Finale 2009. It will be a hit with the newly targeted p

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread ThomaStudios
On Oct 10, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Daniel Wolfr wrote: Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional users of Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes, and (c) iare either skipping an '08 upgrad

[Finale] Re: test

2007-10-10 Thread shirling & neueweise
Since I got my computer running again, I'm not getting much mail on the three lists with which I keep up. Has mail here been particularly light? Everybody¹s migrated to Sibelius... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! yeh. there was once a sign on the saskatchewan-alberta border, not sure exactly where, ma

[Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread shirling & neueweise
At 19:40 +0200 10/10/07, Daniel Wolf wrote: Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional users of Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes, and (c) iare either skipping an '08 upgrade or swit

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Bruce Clausen
As I mentioned in a previous post, I have bought the Competitive Upgrade from Sibelius, since we can do that this month for half price. The softward arrived yesterday, so I am just getting used to the differences. Because I used Simple Entry in Fin the differences aren't all that great. What

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Eric Dannewitz
No no no. You can't do that. Make them participate on a list? Then they would have to respond to feedback. They might be confronted with things that they need to fix. We won't get the new, fluffy Pokemon notation that will be included in Finale 2009. It will be a hit with the newly targeted pre

[Finale] Finale

2007-10-10 Thread Marvin Rosenthal
I've been a long time (since 2000) user and have remained on version 2006 because of all the problems noted on this list... I will not upgrade until I see, based on comments on this list, that the new version is stable and relatively bug free... I use Finale to write dance band arrangements fo

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Jack Ellis
I'm a long time user, but not for publishing. I use finale to compose and arrange for singing groups, including instrument accompaniments which I put on a sequencer. I upgrade when it looks like an improvement will help me, usually about every two years. I also monitor the list for others' exper

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Lora Crighton
--- Daniel Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would it be possible now, from the list membership, > to get a more > accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a > long-term, professional > users of Finale, Long-term, non-professional - current grad student in musicology, former choir librari

Re: [Finale] Re: Split measure questions

2007-10-10 Thread Fiskum, Steve
It was introduced in 2006 in the plug-ins' submenu "New Plug-ins for Finale 2006." Steve 10/10/07 2:33 PM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm required to use Fin2k6 for this project. > > Cheers, > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On 10 Oct 2007

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread dennis
Daniel Wolf: > From my own informal count on this list, at least twenty established, > long-term, professional users have indicated that they are not switching > to '08; most of them indicate that bug fixing is their main concern, > several of indicated a move to a competing product. I'm not sure

Re: [Finale] Re: Split measure questions

2007-10-10 Thread Darcy James Argue
I'm required to use Fin2k6 for this project. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Oct 2007, at 3:22 PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: FYI: The Split Measure plug-in works well for these situations. Steve 10/10/07 1:38 PM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey

RE: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Lee Actor
> I've just reviewed most of the posts dealing with Finale '08, and -- > following what appears to be a consensus around here -- have decided to > stick with '07 until notice of further improvements in known bugs. > > I also took a look at some press statements on the MakeMusic site > announcing qu

Re: [Finale] Re: Split measure questions

2007-10-10 Thread Fiskum, Steve
FYI: The Split Measure plug-in works well for these situations. Steve 10/10/07 1:38 PM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Greg, > > Thanks! All good to know. > > CHeers, > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On 10 Oct 2007, at 1:19 PM, Hamilton

Re: [Finale] Re: Split measure questions

2007-10-10 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hey Greg, Thanks! All good to know. CHeers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Oct 2007, at 1:19 PM, Hamilton Greg wrote: Hey Darcy, You can have an invisible or dotted right barline on the preceding system, then just the usual clefs and key signatures on the continuin

[Finale] Re: test

2007-10-10 Thread Jonathan Smith
Since I got my computer running again, I'm not getting much mail on the three lists with which I keep up. Has mail here been particularly light? Everybody’s migrated to Sibelius___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mail

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I have had serious concerns about bug fixes for a long time. And, although I haven't decided to not buy Finale 2k8 (I may have to for compatibility reasons), I will not buy it yet. I do have serious concerns about the future of Finale in

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 10.10.2007 Daniel Wolf wrote: Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional users of Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes, and (c) iare either skipping an '08 upgrade or switching to a

[Finale] Re: Split measure questions

2007-10-10 Thread Hamilton Greg
Hey Darcy, You can have an invisible or dotted right barline on the preceding system, then just the usual clefs and key signatures on the continuing system. No need to hide the left barline on the that next system. I double checked a few of my Henle piano scores to confirm this. Hope it h

[Finale] Re: Finale '08

2007-10-10 Thread Daniel Wolf
I've just reviewed most of the posts dealing with Finale '08, and -- following what appears to be a consensus around here -- have decided to stick with '07 until notice of further improvements in known bugs. I also took a look at some press statements on the MakeMusic site announcing quarterly

Re: [Finale] Split measure questions

2007-10-10 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Darcy James Argue / 07.10.10 / 1:34 AM wrote: >Pardon my ignorance, but I've never had to do this before -- when it >is necessary to split a single measure across two systems (because >the composer added too damn many notes to fit into a single system), >what elements do you show on the the

Re: [Finale] test

2007-10-10 Thread dhbailey
Ray Horton wrote: Since I got my computer running again, I'm not getting much mail on the three lists with which I keep up. Has mail here been particularly light? Yeah -- sometimes no news is good news, but in Finale2008's case, no news (as in "no interim big-fix release") is bad news. A

Re: [Finale] Split measure questions

2007-10-10 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 10.10.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: I assume you would hide the left "barline" for the new system in this case (it's a work for piano), but what about clef, key signature and time signature -- do I show or do I hide? When I have done this, I have not hidden a left barline (unless it was a