Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread dhbailey
Leigh Daniels wrote: And make the capital M and the lower case M look different! You mean we're supposed to read the letters, too? Wow -- the things I learn on this list! ;-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research?

2008-10-22 Thread dhbailey
Richard Smith wrote: [snip] I have seen both do it and any engraver who puts out something like that should be ashamed! [snip] That's really what it all boils down to -- the engraver should take the time to actually make all the parts legible and clear and easy to understand. Most

Re: [Finale] RE: Human Playback Crash

2008-10-22 Thread dhbailey
Gerry Kirk wrote: Thanks, Christopher. Applying your tip, I solved the playback crash problem by methodically eliminating one expression at a time in--as well as I could recall--reverse order of having entered each. The apparent cause: I had created a one-word text instruction on the drum set

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research?

2008-10-22 Thread dhbailey
shirling neueweise wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Maybe musicians read musical notation more easily than they read text indications. I noticed later that the marking stacc. was largely ignored on the first reading (sight reading, of course, as prepared parts in an orchestral context would

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: You should *never* use just M or m for chord symbols, regardless of the font. I know Christopher disagrees, but I prefer either the geometric symbols (∆ and -), or MA and mi. I believe Christopher uses Cmaj7 (which is okay, though I *greatly* prefer CMA7) and Cm7

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research?

2008-10-22 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
I think the worst example of misleading text dynamics I have ever seen appears on a piece set for one of the french horn exams of the Associated Board in the UK. A couple of bars from the end of the penultimate line it says de - . On the last line it says crescendo . I'll leave it to

Re: Re(2): [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread Christopher Smith
Oh don't get me started on the JazzText font! The Z and the 2, the H and the M, the stupid 5... Before long I am going to have convinced myself to make my own inkpen font... Christopher On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote: And make the capital M and the lower case M look

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread Marcello Noia
Unfortunately Mr. Sigler got his Jazz font bundled with Finale then completely dismissed the updates (and did not reply to emails about problems with his other Swingfont I bought many years ago). And think how beatiful are the fonts used in latest Sher Real Books Anyone has tried to use

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research?

2008-10-22 Thread Robert Patterson
shirling neueweise wrote: shit... busted. verdammte Scheiße. I'd rather deal with that than verdampfte Scheiße. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread Christopher Smith
If you find the JazzFont too thick, then the Inkpen font from Sibelius is positively stubby. I find it next to unusable (though I haven't tried it in Finale, only in Sibelius). Christopher On Oct 22, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Marcello Noia wrote: Unfortunately Mr. Sigler got his Jazz font bundled

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread Dana Friedman
At 12:42 AM 10/22/2008, you wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: You should *never* use just M or m for chord symbols, regardless of the font. I know Christopher disagrees, but I prefer either the geometric symbols (? and -), or MA and mi. I believe Christopher uses Cmaj7 (which is okay, though I

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 22, 2008, at 4:33 AM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: You should *never* use just M or m for chord symbols, regardless of the font. I know Christopher disagrees, but I prefer either the geometric symbols (∆ and -), or MA and mi. I believe Christopher uses Cmaj7 (which is

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 22, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Dana Friedman wrote: I always stayed away from the - because most people use + to mean augmented. Though I have seen some people stay way from the + by writing things like C7#5.. But..if I'm to to reduce the amount a player has to read, I wouldn't want

Re(2): [Finale] Notation readability research?

2008-10-22 Thread Leigh Daniels
I agree! You could do it as an e-book. I'd buy a copy. **Leigh On Wed, Oct 22, 2008, shirling neueweise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would be doing the notation world a great service if you would put down in more detail your principles of graphic design as it applies to music. hm, thanks.

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread Dana Friedman
In my area b13 is the norm on Do you mean area of music? Area geographically? Culturally? Best, Dana ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] Notation readability research?

2008-10-22 Thread Daniel Wolf
Many thanks for the interesting responses so far in this thread. As expected, most of the information, while reasonable and with some practical experience behind it, is rather informal. e.g. — accidentals should be clearly distinguished, particularly sharps and naturals; — serif fonts

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research? Now jazz font natural complaint

2008-10-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 22, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Dana Friedman wrote: In my area b13 is the norm on Do you mean area of music? Area geographically? Culturally? Heh, heh! All three, but I was really referring to Montreal. I find some aspects of notation, especially in jazz, tend to be regional. Nice

[Finale] TRANSPOSING chords in atonal key

2008-10-22 Thread Kim Richmond
Has there ever been a solution or workaround for properly transposing chords (on a transposing part) in a piece with no key signature for all instruments? I'm talking about using linked parts. MacFin08 Thanks, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] TRANSPOSING chords in atonal key

2008-10-22 Thread Dana Friedman
At 01:24 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: Has there ever been a solution or workaround for properly transposing chords (on a transposing part) in a piece with no key signature for all instruments? Why not treat the piece with no key signature as if it were in C? If you had an alto sax part in a

Re: [Finale] TRANSPOSING chords in atonal key

2008-10-22 Thread Darcy James Argue
The solution is upgrade to Finale 2009, where this problem is finally fixed. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 Oct 2008, at 1:24 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: Has there ever been a solution or workaround for properly transposing chords (on a transposing part) in a piece

Re: [Finale] Notation readability research?

2008-10-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 22, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Daniel Wolf wrote: As an aside, I must admit to finding yet another discussion of vernacular chord notation somewhat puzzling. While, in principle, the intention would appear to be to create a notation for rather flexible extemporaneous realization, in

Re: [Finale] TRANSPOSING chords in atonal key

2008-10-22 Thread Mark McCarron
selection tool make selectionutilities menuchangeChange Chord assignmentscheck transpose Mark McCarron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Kim Richmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kim Richmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] TRANSPOSING chords in atonal key To: FINALE FINALE LIST

Re: [Finale] TRANSPOSING chords in atonal key

2008-10-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 22, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: Has there ever been a solution or workaround for properly transposing chords (on a transposing part) in a piece with no key signature for all instruments? I'm talking about using linked parts. MacFin08 Thanks, KIM R Yes, though you can't

Re: [Finale] TRANSPOSING chords in atonal key

2008-10-22 Thread Robert Patterson
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want your alto part NOT to have three sharps, you have to use Chromatic Transposition, This statement is false. There is another way to have your alto part not show sharps, and it may even let your chords