Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: From: dhbailey Let's be fair about things here. Yes, there's a problem with people who believe that just because the internet makes it easy, they're entitled to whatever they want without paying. But you also have to take into account the almost psychopathic pursuit of every

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
dhbailey wrote: John Howell wrote: From: dhbailey Let's be fair about things here. Yes, there's a problem with people who believe that just because the internet makes it easy, they're entitled to whatever they want without paying. But you also have to take into account the almost psychopathi

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread Graeme Gerrard
I am from an older generation, but kids these days have the attitude that the money goes to multinational companies, with only a trickle to the composers and performers, their "heroes". My generation bought into the arrangement and that's who passed the laws (same with plant/gene/life ownership)

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
Graeme Gerrard wrote: I am from an older generation, but kids these days have the attitude that the money goes to multinational companies, with only a trickle to the composers and performers, their "heroes". My generation bought into the arrangement and that's who passed the laws (same with pl

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread Nigel Hanley
David, I think that's a very accurate summation of the industry then, and also now. I was surprised to read that most older major league rock bands continue touring not just for the glory of it, but because, for that year, the bulk of their income will come from the tour. The Rollingstones were

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread Cecil Rigby
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, just understand WHY, exactly, is it offensive in any degree that anyone can (having enough money and a willing seller) become a holder of copyrights? The individual artist's rights are NOT abridged just because someone may buy their publisher's library

[Finale] FinMac 2011 Percussion entry/playback GPO4

2010-07-10 Thread David Froom
Hi, I got some excellent advice from Make Music Tech Support (Travis S.), as I've been struggling to get this to work. What I want is for a percussion staff (5 line) to go back and forth between GPO4 Basic Orch Percussion and GPO4 Percussion Toys, and for all the notes to appear on the cen

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread Nigel Hanley
Cecil, in many ways I agree with you. Full stop. I 'm equally not trying to pick a fight, but am merely attempting to understand why the original owners of such monumental works of popular music such as the Beatles' library are forced to undergo legal proceedings to retain their work , or archiv

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread John Howell
At 5:59 AM -0400 7/10/10, dhbailey wrote: You misread the quotation attributes, John. I didn't say that at all -- my post was quoted by Blake Richardson, who then went on the tirade against stupid things done in the name of copyright protection. I am most definitely arguing that 2 wrongs mak

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Nigel Hanley wrote: Cecil, in many ways I agree with you. Full stop. I 'm equally not trying to pick a fight, but am merely attempting to understand why the original owners of such monumental works of popular music such as the Beatles' library are forced to undergo legal proceedings to retain

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread Blake Richardson
On 7/10/10 1:00 PM, "finale-requ...@shsu.edu" wrote: > From: John Howell > Reply-To: > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:26:23 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music > >> From: Blake Richardson >> >> Let's be fair about things here. Yes, there's a problem with peop

[Finale] Re: OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread Blake Richardson
Interesting article in the Times just this week that highlights how creativity and innovation in the food / high cuisine industry is managing to thrive despite no copyright protections. Thought it might be of interest given the discussion going on here. http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread John Howell
At 8:22 AM -0400 7/10/10, dhbailey wrote: I have no idea if the situation has improved any these days, but for many years that was very true, often with performers being on the hook to the record labels for a lot of money which was never recouped by the record sales, due in large part to "c

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread John Howell
No, you didn't miss something Cecil. It's a difference between considering copyrights and patents as property, which can be traded, sold, leased, assigned, rented, or otherwise treated like any other property, and considering them a somehow philosophically belonging to their creators and to no

[Finale] Finale won't print everything

2010-07-10 Thread Barbara Touburg
Hello all, FinWin 2008, XP Pro SP3 I have a file - actually, five of them - which won't print properly. Random syllables get left out, random text expressions. I have tried everything I could think of; assigning a different font, ex-/importing to/from music xml, some other things I can't remem

{Filename?} Re: [Finale] Finale won't print everything

2010-07-10 Thread Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (5-Ode.mus.pdf). Warning: Please read the "VirusWarning.txt" attachment(s) for more information. For more information about common viruses please visit http://www.shsu.edu/~ucs_www/security/virus.html Barbara, even if I am a

Re: [Finale] Finale won't print everything

2010-07-10 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Hi, I am mostly still using 2007, but I opened these in 2010. It appears it's trying to print in color when printing to PDF, in monochrome otherwise. The resulting PDF with colors turned off in the display is then in monochrome. I don't know what's wrong, but for now try: Uncheck "Display Colo

Re: [Finale] Finale won't print everything

2010-07-10 Thread Barbara Touburg
Dennis B.-K. just sent me the solution privately. TURN COLOURS OFF IN ADOBE!!! PRINT TO BLACK AND WHITE!!! I don't know how that got switched on... Victory! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
Cecil Rigby wrote: I'm not trying to pick a fight here, just understand WHY, exactly, is it offensive in any degree that anyone can (having enough money and a willing seller) become a holder of copyrights? The individual artist's rights are NOT abridged just because someone may buy their

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2011 Percussion entry/playback GPO4

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
Thank you very much for sharing this with us -- it seems like it will make things easier for us who might be trying GPO4. David H. Bailey David Froom wrote: Hi, I got some excellent advice from Make Music Tech Support (Travis S.), as I've been struggling to get this to work. What I want is

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
Nigel Hanley wrote: Cecil, in many ways I agree with you. Full stop. I 'm equally not trying to pick a fight, but am merely attempting to understand why the original owners of such monumental works of popular music such as the Beatles' library are forced to undergo legal proceedings to retain the

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Nigel Hanley wrote: Cecil, in many ways I agree with you. Full stop. I 'm equally not trying to pick a fight, but am merely attempting to understand why the original owners of such monumental works of popular music such as the Beatles' library are forced to undergo leg

Re: [Finale] Re: OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
Blake Richardson wrote: Interesting article in the Times just this week that highlights how creativity and innovation in the food / high cuisine industry is managing to thrive despite no copyright protections. Thought it might be of interest given the discussion going on here. http://freakonomi

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: [snip] The former is exactly true, as I've pointed out before. But I'm not sure the latter really is. If you ever walked through a record company's distribution warehouse (and I have), you realize that of all the records that company fronted for and released, only a few ever

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread John Howell
At 5:40 PM -0400 7/10/10, dhbailey wrote: Interestingly, the ownership of the involved copyrights is so murky that even the publishers have no clue anymore. Actual story -- years ago I discovered that a then out-of-print concert band arrangement I had just purchased (and dearly wanted to pe

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread John Howell
At 5:44 PM -0400 7/10/10, dhbailey wrote: I perhaps spoke incorrectly -- it was the record company executives which got fabulously wealthy. Of course, the labels did, too, or the larger conglomerates wouldn't have started buying them up. Well sure, but they don't do it through obscene profi

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread Graeme Gerrard
On 11/07/2010, at 9:49 AM, John Howell wrote: Can I insert a little word into your statement, which will make it accurate? > At 5:44 PM -0400 7/10/10, dhbailey wrote: >> >> I perhaps spoke incorrectly -- it was the record company executives which >> got fabulously wealthy. Of course, the lab

Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music

2010-07-10 Thread John Howell
Sure, I'll accept that addition. But my point was that while the top executives of companies do get huge salaries, it's the percs and extras that makes them millionaires. Surely we've seen that with the recent financial meltdown, and the salaries and bonuses that have been paid to executives