> >> At 10:01 PM 5/27/2006, Richard Yates wrote:
> >> >I have used this layout scheme since it seemed logical and compact,
but
> >> >realized that I may have just made it up.
> >>
> >> Yes, I think you made it up. It looks awfully confusin
> At 10:01 PM 5/27/2006, Richard Yates wrote:
> >have used this layout scheme since it seemed logical and compact, but
> >realized that I may have just made it up.
>
> Yes, I think you made it up. It looks awfully confusing to me, and
> probably impossible to sight r
have used this layout scheme since it seemed logical and compact, but
realized that I may have just made it up. Is there precedent? Seem okay?
http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/ABA.gif
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e and out of order?
> Johannes
I agree. After a long, informative, and civilized thread this one went over
the edge from evidence, reason, and substance and into personal attack
through sarcasm. David, can you recognize this line?
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> I strongly agree on that, too. I think pitch is over-rated, to be
> honest -- it's the rhythm that gives most "lines" their identity and
> meaning, in terms of accent, rhythm and flow.
Sounds like Rap to me!
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seem to agree,
however (as do I).
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> I understand that one can now purchase CDs with hundreds or thousands
> of songs as PDFs, but I don't know where.
Look at:
http://www.cdsheetmusic.com/
It is a fantastic resouce. For example, the complete Bach Gesselschaft
(18,000 pages) for $80.
Ri
Richard Yates écrit:
>You could set music spacing to do no avoiding of collisions, respace the
>music (so that all the layers line up vertically), then drag to the tab
>staff.
I did try this, but it doesn't seem to affect the stems and hence the
horizontal placement of the not
Richard Yates écrit:
>>When you say 'implode' are you getting all notes into one layer? Do that
on
>>a temporary staff, set all the stems up (or down and only then drag it to
>>the tablature staff. All the simultaneous notes are then on the same stem.
>>Th
When you say 'implode' are you getting all notes into one layer? Do that on
a temporary staff, set all the stems up (or down and only then drag it to
the tablature staff. All the simultaneous notes are then on the same stem.
Then delete the temp staff.
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Thank you, Raymond.
> Can't reproduce that problem in FinWin 2006c.
>
> RBH
>
> Richard Yates wrote:
>
> >In FinWin2006 has the staff percentage bug been fixed?
> >
> >This occurs when a staff is reduced from 100%. When expressions are
dragged
> >the
ddle of the staff that an articulation is placed
(when defined to be placed at the cursor location), the farther its vertical
displacement is from the cursor.
In much of my work this makes for a tremendous amount of nudging.
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> Yes, EPS export is finally working on Windows. I'm able to open Finale
> EPS files in Illustrator 10 when I do an export from 2006b on my
> Windows XP SP2 system.
I am surprised that there was not more hoopla here about that.
What about the staff percentage bug? (the one where dragging of expre
> Now that the EPS problem seems to be sorted out
Is that true? I have not upgraded from 2005 (and won't until some bugs are
corrected - including the EPS one).
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> Is there a better way to enter the music than entering it into a
> normal staff system and copy/pasting it into a TAB staff?
Yes, but you will have to study the manual. I do it infrequently enough that
I have to relearn it.
> Can I do a TAB including stems and dots for the rhythms?
Using the S
>Does anyone else feel that the solo oboe in Finale's Garritan has
intonation
problems?<
Maybe the rest of the Garritan orchestra should tune to the oboe - that's
how it works in real life isn't it?
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1. Use the Measure Tool to add one bar to the first movement.
2. Use the Mass Mover to highlight and copy the second movement.
3. Highlight the last bar of the first movement and use Insert from the Edit
menu.
4. Repeat 2. and 3. for other movements.
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opies by printing out the screen display (144 pixels per inch). I
thought it was pretty cool.
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>How's everyone else CPU behaving?<
0% just sitting there with a file open.
45% max doing a mass search and replace with note mover.
15% for miscellaneous clicks and presses.
5% while listening for a MIDI note in tablature definition.
FinWin05, 2.7MHz, 512MB.
Ri
> 'Arco normale' or sometimes 'normale' is what I generally opt for. Just
> 'arco' is just asking for (hopefully temporary) confusion
Especially since it is guitarists that will be reading the score!!
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Yep. That's it. Thanks.
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> normale?
>
> Chuck
> On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:15 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
>
> &
Drawing a blank: what is the term that is used when canceling e.g.
ponticello?
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Drawing a blank: what is the term that is used when canceling e.g.
ponticello?
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f all of these problems
are related somehow.
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I followed your instructions and the dots look pretty far right. I note that
the dot spacing is the same if you leave out level two and the ties but
merely flip the layer one notes up. Try some other examples and you will see
that this dot spacing is standard for flagged notes that are stems up, th
The shsu site says I am still subscribed but I have received nothing for two
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http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/sf-white.gif
These are gifs exported from PhotoShop.
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> >Percentages are the *standard* way to do it. All major digital audio
> >applications use percentages.
SONAR uses 100%L - C - 100%R
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Thanks, Phil. Wow! How long has that been there? Could be very useful
although it doesn't do anything in Open and Save dbs. Also, for some reason,
when I expand a directory this way I also have a 'Sign in with Microsoft
Passport Network box popup (???)
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Start-programs where the submenus fly out with mouse rollover. It would be
much faster to navigate up and down. Or even an Explorer view that shows the
whole tree - or as many expanded levels as possible - all at once. You could
just go where you wanted without all of that clicking up and do
The accented 'e' bug in URLs has struck again.
I was able to get this:
http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Clérambault_Clitie.PDF
only by going here:
http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Cl%e9rambault_Clitie.PDF
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> Has anyone checked the CPU usage of Fin2k6 on Mac, without active GPO? I
> haven't tested it, but I notice that as soon as I have Finale open my
> iBook starts getting warm, which it usually only does under very heavy
> workload. How could I test this?
http://www.drugstore.com/qxp137569_334918_s
; > Not so. I had not heard of ClearType in XP Display options until
> > today. Tried in on my CRT at work. It improved readability.
>
> Were you comparing it to non-aliased text? David W. Fenton
I followed the instructions of the orginal poster and changed
Only the first listed file seems to actually be there but it plays back just
fine.
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> Could someone check these MP3s:
>
> http://www.df
in on my CRT at work. It improved readability.
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. What was most impressive, in addition to the time he spent,
was his acknowledgment that Finale's adjustable and programmed placement of
articulations was superior to Sibelius'.
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e all reading far more into this informal, voluntary comparison than
is remotely valid. The whole thing was obviously not much planned or
organized. There is no 'MakeMusic' submission; there is only a Finale
version made by a casual user wi
rly informal and impromptu. The exemplar was a
trivial challenge. The 'results' are crude.
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, it could
> create the need for a simple rule that's easy to
> enforce.
This certainly does not answer the question about who has the right to
decide these things.
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r not it hurts their
voices, and it does not give evidence.
It also does not answer the questions about who should decide.
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most elementary
drawing program, if you wanted to do it one pixel at a time.
It was actually quite fun to try to produce a counterfeit - all the way down
to the flyspecks! - but it said little about comparative efficiency of
different programs that all could do the basics.
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> "Association spokeswoman Amy Lear said the group
> enacted the rule two years ago because of concerns
> that girls auditioning for tenor parts were hurting
> their voices by singing too low.
This, then, is the crux of the reasoning. These questions about the claim
then follow:
Are such concerns
This may be of interest, although the score that as chosen as the exemplar
is not complicated.
http://home.earthlink.net/~jfalbano/Six%20Music%20Notation%20Programs.pdf
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untertenor does not sound right to be in the soprano
section then that could be a valid reason for excluding that person. But
that is a distinction based on sound quality, not on genitals or
chromosomes.
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> I can think of plenty of good reasons to want to keep a boy out of the
> soprano section of a choir, and likewise for keeping the girls out of
> the tenor section.
And those reasons would be?
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Missing from this list is:
70. Note spacing cannot be set to avoid collisions with expressions. This,
combined with the inability to move articulations horizontally, was the key
deficiency in my deciding not to buy Sibelius.
Richard Yates
> I was looking through my archives.
>
> I
tremendous resource. Ask a question about a Finale problem
and see how quick you get a solution.
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> All this talk of Sibelius made me curious so I've been messing with the
> demo most of the day.
>
> Two questions:
You're asking ME??? :-)
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> You may well be right and I'm fine with that. I'm not in a competition
> mode, and I wasn't trying to assert Sib's superiority - I'm just trying
to
> represent Sibelius *accurately.*
As am I. Remember I am trying to find a reason to switch. I really want
accurate info if I am going spend money.
> >- The shortcut you describe does not go to a specific predefined bit of
> >text. It only opens a text cursor into which you then have to type the
> >characters that you want.
>
> Well, of course - you're not always going to want them same fingering are
> you? I would never want to have to chan
> This would necessitate typing the number each time
> (though you could set up all the numbers in a word menu and assign
> shortcuts, but why bother).
Okay I made a 'word menu' with shortcuts to the individual items but can
find no way to use it. The name of the word menu I made appears in no
> By exploring this menu you will see that there is a huge amount of
> flexibility in how you set Sib up for shortcuts
Thanks again but this does seem to be going in circles.
- The shortcut you describe does not go to a specific predefined bit of
text. It only opens a text cursor into which you t
> It seems the documentation with the demo may not be adequate for the
> exacting work some of the members of this list do. If you are really
> interested in giving Sibelius a good test, join the SibeliusList at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/
> There are some real heavy hitters on
> All of the above is true. For your needs I would clone a
> shortcut-activated text expression and set it up to center horizontally on
> the notehead, with the option to precisely place it vertically where the
> mouse is clicked (rather than a default position, which is always measured
> from the
> Could this be a demo limit?? . I have no trouble dragging fingerings L-R
,
> either with the mouse or with the arrows.
These fingerings are set up as articulations because it seemed that
shortcuts could not be assigned to text expressions. If that is not true,
how do you do it?
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> ? sure it will.I'm working on a job right now for a violin cello
> duo. In a few places the composer asks for double stop open strings to be
> indicated by fingering - a parallel case to your need for two open guitar
> strings.
> Invoke the fingering text style, enter a 0 for open, hit
> E
> > The documentation with the demo is extremely skimpy, as shown by my
> > having to ask all of these questions here. The real user manual does
> > not seem to be available to download. In my case, and I would guess
> > for other Finale users exploring a possible switch, this was not a
> > smart m
> Next go to "Menu or category" and choose "Keypad F-11
> articulations". Choose "fermata" and assign a key stroke or 2.
>
> Love to chat some more, but I have to go grocery shopping!
Thanks. I also got groceries. Lots of good fruit around here (Oregon) now.
Okay. I am closer in my quest for a f
deficiency to me.
All of this reinforces my other comment about the poor documentation with
the demo. There is no way to fairly evaluate Sibelius' capabilities with
regard to Finale's. I have written to Sibelius and will report what I hear.
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would very much like to find something better.
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that
> under some conditions you could set that to Note and then under another
tab
> set its vertical position. But I haven't figured out what that condition
> is. In the meantime I have to position each fingering manually.
I cannot find anything better.
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shortcuts for each symbol but cannot find how to do this in the Demo with
its limited documentation.
How does one quickly apply fingering numbers to a succession of notes?
Is there no autopositioning of such numbers as there is for articulations in
Finale?
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at an Impressionist
painting and saying, "If he wanted me to see a person he shouldn't have made
it all blurry, goddammit!"
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rpose is to
reveal musicians who have a bullheaded insistence on literalism.
It is as if someone were looking at this:
http://www.comviz.com.ulaval.ca/module1/Images/MagrittePipe.jpg
and saying "Of course it's a pipe! You can't fool me!"
Richard Yates
> > I'm with you here. And I think Ferneyhough would be, too.
>
> But that approach makes a mockery of 2-decimal-point precision.
Well, yeah. That's the point.
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nothing under it, then it does not need to be
semitransparent. In your erxample one box covers only a bit of the title -
which you know anyway. The other one is hardly readable and it is over a
blank spot on a staff.
The 'always on top' feature could save a lot of time in resizing an
> >>> > What does a 12th-note look like?
>
> >http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TwelfthNote.jpg
>
> I make that a 3/32 note.
>
Maybe we should drop all of this fraction nonsense, join the rest of the
world, and go with the metric system.
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> >>What does a 12th-note look like?
> >
> > http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/TwelfthNote.jpg
> >
> That's a joke, right?
I am sure that it will turn up in Finale2007 if enough people ask for it.
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> > Among the sizeable areas of publishing today do not make much use of
> > part extraction: 1) hymn tunes and song books, which are prepared and
> > printed in close score, and 2) songs, including pop vocal music, and 3)
> > choral music, where the voice parts are printed in full score, or in
he jump.
> One thing I've never really brought up, I encourage
> you all to be creative in thinking about features that
> would help both you and the vast majority of Finale
> users.
FIX THE BUGS. Is that creative enough?
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The software writers working on new features know very well that the old
bugs are still there. They have daily reminders that quality control is not
valued as highly as it might be. This seems to me to be a recipe for more
sloppiness and the introduction of more errors with an eventual slide into
mediocr
> > MusicMatch JukeBox
>
> No way! That's a horrid program that I've seen pre-installed on a lot
> of Windows PCs. It takes over and won't let you control it.
I use it only for converting files. I run it, use it, close it. No problems.
What do you mean
MusicMatch JukeBox
> Does anyone have recommendations on a Windows WAV to MP3 converter
> that has a decent interface, produces non-corrupt results with good
> quality >
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In Windows the list is stored in the Registry under:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER
Software
CodaMusic
Finale2005
FINALE
Recent File List
You may be able to simply delete the entries but I have heard so many
warnings about editing the Registry that I will leave it to you to try!
Richard Yates
m because they are on
floppy and I have no floppy drive.)
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uce a competitor format to
> > EPS
> > then it may quickly overtake Adobe, and then the new format will be a
> > common
> > enough standard to _replace_ EPS purposes for us FinWin users.
> >
> > Richard Yates
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ut Longhorn forcing any 'spill over' into
EPS. However, if Microsoft decides to produce a competitor format to EPS
then it may quickly overtake Adobe, and then the new format will be a common
enough standard to _replace_ EPS purposes for us FinWin users.
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> >And BTW, does the subcontrabass saxophone even exist? As an actual
instrument?
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> An overall MIDI question I've had for years: If I have a snazzy set of
> sounds on my computer, create a MIDI file with them, and post it to the
> internet, will someone listening to that file over the internet hear
> the same sounds, or just whatever MIDI sounds their own computer has?
The
>We do not have the list of fixed issues yet, as the program is not yet
finished. That list will not be available until the program is shipping.<
Wouldn't you think that fixes would come before features in a development
cycle?
Ri
I am far more interested in whether existing bugs have been fixed than in
new features. The web site lists new features. Is there a list somewhere of
things that were broken in Finale2005 but have been fixed in Finale2006?
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> I want create a tuplet (triplet):
> 1 eighth + 1 eighth with dot + 1 16th in the space of 1 quarter
> but i can't define a tuplet in the score.
In Speedy Entry press Ctrl-3 then then enter three eighth notes. Go back and
add a dot to the second and change the third to a sixte
I am not a Maciac, but it seems very unlikely that a browser would be the
limiting factor in making an order from a website. Far more likely to affect
speed are intervening web traffic or server loads.
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> On the strength of recommendations from this list, I recently
> down
> I'm in WinFin2K3, and I just was testing playback on a short section,
> so hit SPACEBAR-CLICK to start the playback. I then minimized Finale
> to look at an email message.
>
> Finale would not restore.
>
> I could not switch to it via any task switching methods.
>
> I could not even kill Finale
>
> I could not even kill Finale by right clicking it in the TaskBar and
> choosing CLOSE. Only the Windows Task Manager was able to kill it.
>
> Can anyone else confirm this bug, either with WinFin2K3 or any other
> Windows version of Finale?
Same in FinWin2004. You have to
m to have that problem.
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If you send me the file I might try it from this end.
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> But then again, how do you celebrate the lack of something?
'Yes, We Have No Bananas"
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> The whole system works like it should with TWO or more staves, which is
> the only situation I can think of where one would even want independent
> key or independent time signatures enabled.
I only discovered it because the SmartScore scanning default leaves that box
checked even if there is on
Hello,
All I can say in this matter is we are working on fixing EPS on Windows.
We hope to have a solution soon.
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d was able to change the time signature
> just fine. Have you downloaded and installed the update patch?
I had not, but now I have. The bug is still there. I note that Michael Cook
was able to replicate this and wonder if others have misread the
instructions. It is the independent KEY s
Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4.
Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key
Signature'. Now changing time signature works.
Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it
has that attrribute checked
e, right?) need this? David Fenton
Yes it remains a mystery, David. The logical conclusion is that Finale no
longer intends to meet the needs of professional engravers. Although I copy
posts such as this to MM I received no denials.
Richard Yates
>I liked to see you sample, but basically it shouldn't have been allowed to
pass through the filters of the list servers.
>Evil minds will know how to abuse that hole in the fence.
This evil mind has put the small pdf file at:
http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/bingen.pdf
Ri
g the OS to SP2.
It can be completely disastrous if the computer is not prepared properly.
Check the newsgroup microsoft.public.update for hundreds of horror stories.
Prepare the computer according to the instructions at:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
I have not dared to take this ste
>> EPS export takes forever on ANY system.
>> How long does it take you gentlemen to export one page from a score or
>> part?
10 years and still waiting.
Richard Yates
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Is there any way at all, short of reentering all the notes, of getting a
Sibelius score into Finale (even just as MIDI)?
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> > Now, apparently only for reasons of foolish consistency to help
berginners,
> > it has been changed to the Options Menu which makes the shortcut
Alt-O-A.
> > This combination is impossible with one hand. For me the change is an
> > affront to experienced users.
>
> What's wrong with using Shift
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