Does anyone else feel that the solo oboe in Finale's Garritan has
intonation
problems?
Maybe the rest of the Garritan orchestra should tune to the oboe - that's
how it works in real life isn't it?
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1. Use the Measure Tool to add one bar to the first movement.
2. Use the Mass Mover to highlight and copy the second movement.
3. Highlight the last bar of the first movement and use Insert from the Edit
menu.
4. Repeat 2. and 3. for other movements.
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display (144 pixels per inch). I
thought it was pretty cool.
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How's everyone else CPU behaving?
0% just sitting there with a file open.
45% max doing a mass search and replace with note mover.
15% for miscellaneous clicks and presses.
5% while listening for a MIDI note in tablature definition.
FinWin05, 2.7MHz, 512MB.
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'Arco normale' or sometimes 'normale' is what I generally opt for. Just
'arco' is just asking for (hopefully temporary) confusion
Especially since it is guitarists that will be reading the score!!
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Drawing a blank: what is the term that is used when canceling e.g.
ponticello?
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Drawing a blank: what is the term that is used when canceling e.g.
ponticello?
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Yep. That's it. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [Finale] vapor lock
normale?
Chuck
On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:15 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
Drawing a blank: what is the term
of these problems
are related somehow.
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I followed your instructions and the dots look pretty far right. I note that
the dot spacing is the same if you leave out level two and the ties but
merely flip the layer one notes up. Try some other examples and you will see
that this dot spacing is standard for flagged notes that are stems up,
The shsu site says I am still subscribed but I have received nothing for two
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These are gifs exported from PhotoShop.
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Percentages are the *standard* way to do it. All major digital audio
applications use percentages.
SONAR uses 100%L - C - 100%R
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Thanks, Phil. Wow! How long has that been there? Could be very useful
although it doesn't do anything in Open and Save dbs. Also, for some reason,
when I expand a directory this way I also have a 'Sign in with Microsoft
Passport Network box popup (???)
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the submenus fly out with mouse rollover. It would be
much faster to navigate up and down. Or even an Explorer view that shows the
whole tree - or as many expanded levels as possible - all at once. You could
just go where you wanted without all of that clicking up and down a tree.
Richard Yates
The accented 'e' bug in URLs has struck again.
I was able to get this:
http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Clérambault_Clitie.PDF
only by going here:
http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Scores/Cl%e9rambault_Clitie.PDF
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Has anyone checked the CPU usage of Fin2k6 on Mac, without active GPO? I
haven't tested it, but I notice that as soon as I have Finale open my
iBook starts getting warm, which it usually only does under very heavy
workload. How could I test this?
today. Tried in on my CRT at work. It improved readability.
Were you comparing it to non-aliased text? David W. Fenton
I followed the instructions of the orginal poster and changed from
'Standard' to 'ClearType' in the display options.
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,
was his acknowledgment that Finale's adjustable and programmed placement of
articulations was superior to Sibelius'.
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challenge. The 'results' are crude.
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into this informal, voluntary comparison than
is remotely valid. The whole thing was obviously not much planned or
organized. There is no 'MakeMusic' submission; there is only a Finale
version made by a casual user with an ancient version.
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to be in the soprano
section then that could be a valid reason for excluding that person. But
that is a distinction based on sound quality, not on genitals or
chromosomes.
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This may be of interest, although the score that as chosen as the exemplar
is not complicated.
http://home.earthlink.net/~jfalbano/Six%20Music%20Notation%20Programs.pdf
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Association spokeswoman Amy Lear said the group
enacted the rule two years ago because of concerns
that girls auditioning for tenor parts were hurting
their voices by singing too low.
This, then, is the crux of the reasoning. These questions about the claim
then follow:
Are such concerns
at a time.
It was actually quite fun to try to produce a counterfeit - all the way down
to the flyspecks! - but it said little about comparative efficiency of
different programs that all could do the basics.
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, and it does not give evidence.
It also does not answer the questions about who should decide.
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can tell.
Certainly some teachers aren't doing this
inappropriately. But when some people do, it could
create the need for a simple rule that's easy to
enforce.
This certainly does not answer the question about who has the right to
decide these things.
Richard Yates
I can think of plenty of good reasons to want to keep a boy out of the
soprano section of a choir, and likewise for keeping the girls out of
the tenor section.
And those reasons would be?
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and see how quick you get a solution.
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Missing from this list is:
70. Note spacing cannot be set to avoid collisions with expressions. This,
combined with the inability to move articulations horizontally, was the key
deficiency in my deciding not to buy Sibelius.
Richard Yates
I was looking through my archives.
I guess Sib must
? sure it will.I'm working on a job right now for a violin cello
duo. In a few places the composer asks for double stop open strings to be
indicated by fingering - a parallel case to your need for two open guitar
strings.
Invoke the fingering text style, enter a 0 for open, hit
Could this be a demo limit?? . I have no trouble dragging fingerings L-R
,
either with the mouse or with the arrows.
These fingerings are set up as articulations because it seemed that
shortcuts could not be assigned to text expressions. If that is not true,
how do you do it?
Richard
All of the above is true. For your needs I would clone a
shortcut-activated text expression and set it up to center horizontally on
the notehead, with the option to precisely place it vertically where the
mouse is clicked (rather than a default position, which is always measured
from the
It seems the documentation with the demo may not be adequate for the
exacting work some of the members of this list do. If you are really
interested in giving Sibelius a good test, join the SibeliusList at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/
There are some real heavy hitters on that
By exploring this menu you will see that there is a huge amount of
flexibility in how you set Sib up for shortcuts
Thanks again but this does seem to be going in circles.
- The shortcut you describe does not go to a specific predefined bit of
text. It only opens a text cursor into which you
This would necessitate typing the number each time
(though you could set up all the numbers in a word menu and assign
shortcuts, but why bother).
Okay I made a 'word menu' with shortcuts to the individual items but can
find no way to use it. The name of the word menu I made appears in no
- The shortcut you describe does not go to a specific predefined bit of
text. It only opens a text cursor into which you then have to type the
characters that you want.
Well, of course - you're not always going to want them same fingering are
you? I would never want to have to change a
You may well be right and I'm fine with that. I'm not in a competition
mode, and I wasn't trying to assert Sib's superiority - I'm just trying
to
represent Sibelius *accurately.*
As am I. Remember I am trying to find a reason to switch. I really want
accurate info if I am going spend money.
All this talk of Sibelius made me curious so I've been messing with the
demo most of the day.
Two questions:
You're asking ME??? :-)
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shortcuts for each symbol but cannot find how to do this in the Demo with
its limited documentation.
How does one quickly apply fingering numbers to a succession of notes?
Is there no autopositioning of such numbers as there is for articulations in
Finale?
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that condition
is. In the meantime I have to position each fingering manually.
I cannot find anything better.
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though I am sick of Finale's direction and policies and
would very much like to find something better.
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about the poor documentation with
the demo. There is no way to fairly evaluate Sibelius' capabilities with
regard to Finale's. I have written to Sibelius and will report what I hear.
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Next go to Menu or category and choose Keypad F-11
articulations. Choose fermata and assign a key stroke or 2.
Love to chat some more, but I have to go grocery shopping!
Thanks. I also got groceries. Lots of good fruit around here (Oregon) now.
Okay. I am closer in my quest for a finger
The documentation with the demo is extremely skimpy, as shown by my
having to ask all of these questions here. The real user manual does
not seem to be available to download. In my case, and I would guess
for other Finale users exploring a possible switch, this was not a
smart marketing
a bullheaded insistence on literalism.
It is as if someone were looking at this:
http://www.comviz.com.ulaval.ca/module1/Images/MagrittePipe.jpg
and saying Of course it's a pipe! You can't fool me!
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and saying, If he wanted me to see a person he shouldn't have made
it all blurry, goddammit!
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What does a 12th-note look like?
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I make that a 3/32 note.
Maybe we should drop all of this fraction nonsense, join the rest of the
world, and go with the metric system.
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semitransparent. In your erxample one box covers only a bit of the title -
which you know anyway. The other one is hardly readable and it is over a
blank spot on a staff.
The 'always on top' feature could save a lot of time in resizing and
positioning windows though.
Richard Yates
I'm with you here. And I think Ferneyhough would be, too.
But that approach makes a mockery of 2-decimal-point precision.
Well, yeah. That's the point.
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Among the sizeable areas of publishing today do not make much use of
part extraction: 1) hymn tunes and song books, which are prepared and
printed in close score, and 2) songs, including pop vocal music, and 3)
choral music, where the voice parts are printed in full score, or in the
What does a 12th-note look like?
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That's a joke, right?
I am sure that it will turn up in Finale2007 if enough people ask for it.
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on new features know very well that the old
bugs are still there. They have daily reminders that quality control is not
valued as highly as it might be. This seems to me to be a recipe for more
sloppiness and the introduction of more errors with an eventual slide into
mediocrity or worse.
Richard
brought up, I encourage
you all to be creative in thinking about features that
would help both you and the vast majority of Finale
users.
FIX THE BUGS. Is that creative enough?
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No way! That's a horrid program that I've seen pre-installed on a lot
of Windows PCs. It takes over and won't let you control it.
I use it only for converting files. I run it, use it, close it. No problems.
What do you mean by 'take over'?
Richard Yates
In Windows the list is stored in the Registry under:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER
Software
CodaMusic
Finale2005
FINALE
Recent File List
You may be able to simply delete the entries but I have heard so many
warnings about editing the Registry that I will leave it to you to try!
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Does anyone have recommendations on a Windows WAV to MP3 converter
that has a decent interface, produces non-corrupt results with good
quality
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they are on
floppy and I have no floppy drive.)
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, and then the new format will be a
common
enough standard to _replace_ EPS purposes for us FinWin users.
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And BTW, does the subcontrabass saxophone even exist? As an actual
instrument?
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We do not have the list of fixed issues yet, as the program is not yet
finished. That list will not be available until the program is shipping.
Wouldn't you think that fixes would come before features in a development
cycle?
Richard Yates
An overall MIDI question I've had for years: If I have a snazzy set of
sounds on my computer, create a MIDI file with them, and post it to the
internet, will someone listening to that file over the internet hear
the same sounds, or just whatever MIDI sounds their own computer has?
The
I am far more interested in whether existing bugs have been fixed than in
new features. The web site lists new features. Is there a list somewhere of
things that were broken in Finale2005 but have been fixed in Finale2006?
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I want create a tuplet (triplet):
1 eighth + 1 eighth with dot + 1 16th in the space of 1 quarter
but i can't define a tuplet in the score.
In Speedy Entry press Ctrl-3 then then enter three eighth notes. Go back and
add a dot to the second and change the third to a sixteenth.
Richard Yates
I am not a Maciac, but it seems very unlikely that a browser would be the
limiting factor in making an order from a website. Far more likely to affect
speed are intervening web traffic or server loads.
Richard Yates
On the strength of recommendations from this list, I recently
downloaded
by right clicking it in the TaskBar and
choosing CLOSE. Only the Windows Task Manager was able to kill it.
Can anyone else confirm this bug, either with WinFin2K3 or any other
Windows version of Finale?
Same in FinWin2004. You have to wait for playback to finish.
Richard Yates
I'm in WinFin2K3, and I just was testing playback on a short section,
so hit SPACEBAR-CLICK to start the playback. I then minimized Finale
to look at an email message.
Finale would not restore.
I could not switch to it via any task switching methods.
I could not even kill Finale by
But then again, how do you celebrate the lack of something?
'Yes, We Have No Bananas
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If you send me the file I might try it from this end.
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not, but now I have. The bug is still there. I note that Michael Cook
was able to replicate this and wonder if others have misread the
instructions. It is the independent KEY signature being checked that then
prevents the TIME signature tool from working.
Richard Yates
Hello,
All I can say in this matter is we are working on fixing EPS on Windows.
We hope to have a solution soon.
Phil
Sr. Customer Support Representative
MakeMusic! Inc.
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The whole system works like it should with TWO or more staves, which is
the only situation I can think of where one would even want independent
key or independent time signatures enabled.
I only discovered it because the SmartScore scanning default leaves that box
checked even if there is only
Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4.
Nothing happens - it won't change. Go back and uncheck 'Independent Key
Signature'. Now changing time signature works.
Why would anyone want to do this, you ask? When SmartScore starts a file it
has that attrribute checked and assumes 4/4.
Richard
, David. The logical conclusion is that Finale no
longer intends to meet the needs of professional engravers. Although I copy
posts such as this to MM I received no denials.
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I liked to see you sample, but basically it shouldn't have been allowed to
pass through the filters of the list servers.
Evil minds will know how to abuse that hole in the fence.
This evil mind has put the small pdf file at:
http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/bingen.pdf
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.
It can be completely disastrous if the computer is not prepared properly.
Check the newsgroup microsoft.public.update for hundreds of horror stories.
Prepare the computer according to the instructions at:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
I have not dared to take this step yet!
Richard
EPS export takes forever on ANY system.
How long does it take you gentlemen to export one page from a score or
part?
10 years and still waiting.
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Is there any way at all, short of reentering all the notes, of getting a
Sibelius score into Finale (even just as MIDI)?
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Now, apparently only for reasons of foolish consistency to help
berginners,
it has been changed to the Options Menu which makes the shortcut
Alt-O-A.
This combination is impossible with one hand. For me the change is an
affront to experienced users.
What's wrong with using Shift+Alt+S?
,
it has been changed to the Options Menu which makes the shortcut Alt-O-A.
This combination is impossible with one hand. For me the change is an
affront to experienced users.
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common way of notating guitar music with
scordaturas - the most frequent are: sixth string down to D, and third
string down to F sharp (produces the same string intervals as Renaissance
lute).
Anything much more complicated, e.g. DADGAD, in odd tunings is usually in
tablature, .
Richard Yates
Why do they want to open the files? If they won't buy the latest version,
they should be paying you to do the work.
There are many different kinds of engraver-client relationships, most of
which are not helped by rigid ultimatums.
We probably have very different working practices
Undoubtedly.
Is there some downside to using major key signatures? The key of Eb major
looks exactly the same as that for c minor. Is there some advantage to
setting the key to c minor that you don't get with Eb major?
I believe that in MIDI Speedy Entry (using spelling tables) the enharmonics
turn out
it, it's always a possibility that your
converted file will crash or corrupt something else or behave strangely
on future Finale versions.
That may very well be. I am only reporting what happened. I was responding
to a poster who was in a bind by suggesting something that might help him.
Richard
not seem to have that problem.
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I am, again, writing to MM about this. I hope others will also, perhaps even
those who do not have a need for this feature but recognize the importance
of the problem in the big picture of Finale's long term viability.
Richard Yates
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You seem to me to be arguing that acoustics are part of the musical
content of a work of music, where I'm saying that it is only the
mechanism by which the content is conveyed.
Can to define this elusive content without reference to physics?
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In all of these words about words, it may be that the hangup is the word
'significant'. Perhaps all he is saying is that grammar is not the meaning
and the words themselves are not the meaning. If I am on the right track
then he would also say that sound (and hence any aspect of physics) is not
has NO significance in
music. (By the way, children's speech is grammar-ridden from as soon as they
string enough words together to have a grammar).
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of Bernoulli effect is now
seen as less significant than the simple pressure on the underside of the
wing from the positive angle of attack.
But I digress. You aren't saying that physics actually has anything to do
with flying a plane are you?!?
Richard Yates
That doesn't mean grammar has any significance to the meaning of any
particular utterance (though it certainly *could*).
If you really believe this then I can only assume that you have a rather
nonstandard definition of 'grammar' in mind. Can you write some examples of
utterances in which you
That doesn't mean grammar has any significance to the meaning of any
particular utterance (though it certainly *could*).
If you really believe this then I can only assume that you have a
rather nonstandard definition of 'grammar' in mind. Can you write some
examples of utterances in
the
number itself. At present this doesn't seem to be possible. Simon
You do this kind of thing with articulations instead of with expressions.
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called popular music. These composers are the
ones who will be (correctly) remembered most prominently by history.
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. That all of
this eventually becomes unconscious (or at least out of present awareness)
through practice in no way negates the importance of physics.
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in cooking?
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Do you consciously think about grammar when you speak?
Is grammar significant to communication?
- Darcy
Oooh, good one!
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