At 1:35 PM -0500 3/13/06, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Aha! I found this on the Barenreiter website itself:
In Mozart's day the Italian operatic symphony normally consisted of
three rather short orchestral pieces in the order fast - slow -
fast. For Ascanio in Alba, however, he characteristically
On 14 Mar 2006 at 14:13, John Howell wrote:
Inquiring minds still await a K number and perhaps a
date. How early is early? New Grove I has no listing of a
Symphony with dancing and singing, although the way they break up his
works it could well be listed under something other than
David Fenton:
Could you please cite the Haydn and Gluck operas that have this similiar feature of using an opening overture with a choral movement to conclude? I'm curious.While it's apparent that Mozart wasn't the only composer to do this, I still think it it's a bit unusual.
And just because
On 14 Mar 2006 at 14:38, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
David Fenton:
Could you please cite the Haydn and Gluck operas that have this
similiar feature of using an opening overture with a choral movement
to conclude? I'm curious. While it's apparent that Mozart wasn't the
only composer to do
You're talking about what he might have done vs. what he is known tohave done. Mozart might have arranged the whole symphony for kazoos,but we have no documentation saying that he did. We do know that he
created a replacement finale. Thus, we have the K111a version as areal documented symphony,
On 14 Mar 2006 at 15:05, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
You're talking about what he might have done vs. what he is known to
have done. Mozart might have arranged the whole symphony for kazoos,
but we have no documentation saying that he did. We do know that he
created a replacement finale. Thus, we
I don't know of any "choral" symphony by Mozart, and I don't on that
collection on LP either, but it might help you to visit http://www.hogwood.org/rlp.htmwhere
you would fnd the Christopher Hogwood's LP recordings catalogue, and you might
compare it with the CD content listing.
Rafael
On 08.03.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I am hoping that the collective wisdom of the list can help me. When Christopher Hogwood
recorded his Complete Mozart Symphonies project for Decca, there was a choral
symphony included with the boxed album set. This was an early symphony from the Italian
Here is Chris's reply:
I know nothing of any Choral Symphony from Mozart, and I can't think of
anything that went missing from the LPs other than the Odense symphony, which
surely can never have been by Mozart.
Maybe they could tell you which record they found it on?
Hope this helps,
This Choral Symphony was not the Odense, that was released on an appendix vinyl album I believe; and wasn't included in the CD set. I can't recall which K number this choral symphony was, but it was a very early one, K 110-119 with an alphabet subscript number I think.
This was a very short
On 13.03.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
This Choral Symphony was not the Odense, that was released on an appendix
vinyl album I believe; and wasn't included in the CD set. I can't recall which
K number this choral symphony was, but it was a very early one, K 110-119 with
an alphabet
Aha! I found this on the Barenreiter website itself:
In Mozart's day the Italian operatic symphony normally consisted of three rather short orchestral pieces in the order fast - slow - fast. For Ascanio in Alba, however, he characteristically varied the conventional formula. That this was
On 13.03.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I have no idea why Mr. Hogwood doesn't recall this being in the vinyl edition
of the Symphonies. Neal Zaslaw talked about this in the liner note; and it was
included in the recordings.
I asked him and gave him your quote, perhaps he will shed some light
On 13 Mar 2006 at 13:35, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Aha! I found this on the Barenreiter website itself:
In Mozart's day the Italian operatic symphony normally consisted of
three rather short orchestral pieces in the order fast - slow - fast.
For Ascanio in Alba, however, he characteristically
On 13 Mar 2006 at 13:49, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I'm sorry my earlier quote wasn't complete
attempt #2 from the Barenreiter site:
In Mozart's day the Italian operatic symphony normally consisted of
three rather short orchestral pieces in the order fast - slow - fast.
For Ascanio in Alba,
David Fenton wrote some excellent points.
I don't know Zaslaw's rational for his words, but given his considerable expertise, I am sure he's aware of the Haydn overtures you mentioned. And while I can't recall if Mr. Zaslaw used the wordingchoral symphony, that's why I usedquotes. I think it
On 13 Mar 2006 at 15:43, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
David Fenton wrote some excellent points.
I don't know Zaslaw's rational for his words, but given his
considerable expertise, I am sure he's aware of the Haydn overtures
you mentioned. . . .
I'm not so sure of that. I know for a fact whose
David Fenton wrote:
These weren't symphonies. They were opera overtures. While those werealso often given the designation sinfonia, the genre conventionswere completely different than the ones Beethoven was operating
within when he wrote the Ninth.
All I think Mr. Zaslaw was saying that there was
On 13 Mar 2006 at 16:01, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
David Fenton wrote:
These weren't symphonies. They were opera overtures. While those were
also often given the designation sinfonia, the genre conventions
were completely different than the ones Beethoven was operating within
when he wrote
I am hoping that thecollective wisdom of the list can help me. When Christopher Hogwood recorded his Complete Mozart Symphonies project for Decca, there was a choral symphony included with the boxed album set. This was an early symphony from the Italian opera tours.
For reasons I'm not sure,
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