Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-02 Thread Robert Patterson
On Dec 1, 2007 3:43 PM, Giuliano Forghieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can think of several situations where that would not be neither quick nor painless, What I mean is that the actual process of creating the tuplets is quick and painless. If you are thinking of situations where the actual

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-02 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Sun, December 2, 2007 10:56 am, Robert Patterson wrote: What I mean is that the actual process of creating the tuplets is quick and painless. If you are thinking of situations where the actual process of creating the tuplets is not quick or painless, I'd like to know what they are. If you

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-02 Thread Robert Patterson
Giuliano Forghieri wrote: Also, I'm used to do precision work for high quality publishing, and linked parts are, as far as I'm concerned, useless. I doubt if anyone is more exacting than I am about engraving quality, and I find linked parts, on the contrary, to be incredibly useful. The

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-02 Thread Giuliano Forghieri
At 16.56 02/12/2007, Robert Patterson wrote: If you choose a source measure that has only the invisible tuplet for that meter, Mass Copy will copy it repeatedly to every measure. Since any measure that has music has an entry at the beginning of the measure, the copy is quick and painless, qed.

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-02 Thread Robert Patterson
First of all, we are talking about a workaround. No workaround is as convenient as not having to work around. Second, we are talking about different time signatures where the barlines align, so effectively it is a shorthand for tuplets anyway, right? Third, my contention is that for a host

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-02 Thread Jari Williamsson
Robert Patterson wrote: A further comment about the problems with Ind. Key sigs. ...or independent time sigs. ;-) Anyway, I now finally understand what Dennis BK is trying to achieve (first I thought it was a piece with non-aligned barlines) and I absolutely agree with you, Robert. Since

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-01 Thread Raimund Lintzen
Try clicking just once more into the same measure in case the first click won't bring you the smart shapes. Raimund Lintzen Giuliano Forghieri schrieb: Something related: am I the only one that can't get smart shapes copied along with the rest of the music? If I copy by clicking and dragging

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-01 Thread Giuliano Forghieri
Thanks Raymund, but that works only with dragging, not with the usual copy and paste commands. I have tried opening two windows of the same document, but in this case neither dragging nor copy and paste work for smart shapes. Again, am I missing something? Luckily, this morning I have

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-01 Thread Giuliano Forghieri
Something related: am I the only one that can't get smart shapes copied along with the rest of the music? If I copy by clicking and dragging they get copied, but if use ctrl-c or ctrl-shift-c then ctrl-v everything gets copied but smart shapes. Of course the settings in the Items To Copy

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-01 Thread Robert Patterson
Giuliano Forghieri wrote: Robert: what about a new addition to your Mass Copy plug-in, something like a check box for copy notes as well? It is quite regrettable that MM has ruined the copying of smart shapes. (It used to work brainlessly.) Unfortunately, copying entries is far beyond

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-01 Thread Giuliano Forghieri
At 14.53 01/12/2007, Robert Patterson wrote: Unfortunately, copying entries is far beyond the scope of Mass Copy. That's a pity, but thank you anyway, your plug-ins are invaluable. I haven't messed much with Fin08. Is it better, worse, or the same with respect to copying smart shapes? I'm

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-12-01 Thread Christopher Smith
Guiliano, My original reply to your message didn't seem to get to the list, but you aren't out of options in 2006. Drag and drop behaved differently from copy and paste in version before 2007. The reasons had something to do with the kind of data you could get the operating system's

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Fri, November 30, 2007 8:46 am, Robert Patterson wrote: The best workaround I know of is to use the Independent feature purely for Time Signature for Display and to use invisibie tuplets to get correct alignment and playback. This is an issue because I compose directly into Finale,

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread Giuliano Forghieri
Thanks Robert, what you say is very interesting, and will probably help me sometimes in the future, especially spacing-wise. But, as far as I'm concerned, entering a lot of music as invisible tuplets is very annoying and slowing down, since I have to hit ctrl-(number) every time I enter a

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread Giuliano Forghieri
Just checked---that works with smart shape hairpins, too. Thanks again, Hans, it's a very important workaround for me. Giuliano At 10.02 30/11/2007, Hans Swinnen wrote: Giuliano, I'm not sure about smart shapes, but copy-paste should work this way: - uncheck independent time sig in the

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread Hans Swinnen
Giuliano, I'm not sure about smart shapes, but copy-paste should work this way: - uncheck independent time sig in the source staff and don't worry about to few or to many beats in the measure(s); - copy; - check independent time again (for not to forget); - uncheck independent time sig in

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread dhbailey
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hi all, Can anybody replicate this problem and have a solution? I have a piece with simultaneous time signatures of 7/8, 7/8, 5/8, 3/4 and 4/4. I can't line up the smart shapes -- they won't allow placement in certain horizontal locations. For example, the bottom

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread Jari Williamsson
Robert Patterson wrote: The best workaround I know of is to use the Independent feature purely for Time Signature for Display and to use invisibie tuplets to get correct alignment and playback. I don't get this, what's wrong with just write the music as it flows and use your beam over

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread Giuliano Forghieri
Thanks Hans---cumbersome, but it works, I wonder whether something like that may be the solution to the smart shapes problem (uncheck indipendent time, adjust shape, then check IT again), I'm going to try it out. Oh, by the way: indipendent time can be applied as a staff style, I have found

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread Jari Williamsson
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I have a piece with simultaneous time signatures of 7/8, 7/8, 5/8, 3/4 and 4/4. I can't line up the smart shapes -- they won't allow placement in certain horizontal locations. It sounds like you use real time signatures (instead of time sig for display) for the

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread Brian Williams
A quick fix: copy the measure you want to add smart shapes to a blank measure at the *end* of the document and add the smart shapes there, then copy it back. Apparently the bug you describe only happens when you try to edit smart shapes in measures that come before other measures but doesn't

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-30 Thread dhbailey
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Fri, November 30, 2007 8:46 am, Robert Patterson wrote: The best workaround I know of is to use the Independent feature purely for Time Signature for Display and to use invisibie tuplets to get correct alignment and playback. This is an issue because I compose

[Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-29 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Hi all, Can anybody replicate this problem and have a solution? I have a piece with simultaneous time signatures of 7/8, 7/8, 5/8, 3/4 and 4/4. I can't line up the smart shapes -- they won't allow placement in certain horizontal locations. For example, the bottom four parts have a decrescendo.

Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs

2007-11-29 Thread Giuliano Forghieri
Hello---I have and have had the same problem every time I use the Indipendent Time feature (still working with 2006, by the way). Also, Indipendent Time always create problems with spacing and copy-paste, in my experience. I don't know of a solution, thus I'd be very interested in knowing