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Chuck Israels wrote: About Carl Dershem's suggestion that my autobiography ought to be a great read: a few summers ago, I wrote about 200 pages of a spew draft of a "memoir," showed it to a few people and then left it to sit for a (long) while. Now it looks about 40 to 50% pertinent and m

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On Jul 24, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jul 24, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Ken Durling wrote: Um, did I rank any of Chuck's achievements? Did I say "cooler than"? If I misread your post, I apologise, but when you say "now that is a cool thing" it sort of implies that maybe som

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On Jul 24, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Ken Durling wrote: Um, did I rank any of Chuck's achievements? Did I say "cooler than"? If I misread your post, I apologise, but when you say "now that is a cool thing" it sort of implies that maybe some previous things WEREN'T as cool as "that". I was reactin

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Um, did I rank any of Chuck's achievements? Did I say "cooler than"? Do I need a lecture on who the jazz greats are? Is Lenny Bruce "a comedian?" Ken At 08:57 PM 7/23/2005, you wrote: On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that is a cool thing to have on your "resu

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On Jul 17, 2005, at 12:01 PM, John Howell wrote: In the USAF band in the late '50s, one's instrument was referred to as one's "axe" for no discernable reason And today still, among jazz musicians, where it has become part of the technical jargon. I'm not certain, but I think it used to be on

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Christopher Smith wrote: Remember Lenny Bruce's schtick on "What I don't understand is why saying 'F%$# You' is a BAD thing??" I certainly do. I spent 6 weeks working opposite him at the Village Vanguard some (how many!?) years ago. Now that is a cool thing to have on your "resume," Chuck.

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On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that is a cool thing to have on your "resume," Chuck. That's great. Ken Cooler than playing WITH Bill Evans, John Coltrane, Herbie Hancock, and directing the National Jazz Ensemble? I dunno, but I would have ranked those achieve

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On Jul 16, 2005, at 10:16 AM, Joel Sears wrote: Wow! That's the first time I've heard that. There's a band on the West Cost called Big Phat Band, I just thought they were being cute. Yeah! Gordon Goodwin's band, honking hot! This guy Gordon Goodwin has never written a bad chart. Or if he h

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Ken Durling wrote: Wow. is there really any argument about what "chops" means? It's always meant technique to me and everyone I know. In my experience, it has referred to that incalculable combination of technique and the musculature needed to play. Occasionally separated, as in "his tech

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Wow. is there really any argument about what "chops" means? It's always meant technique to me and everyone I know. Ken At 11:41 AM 7/20/2005, you wrote: On 20 Jul 2005 at 4:00, John Bell wrote: > On 20 Jul 2005, at 03:05, Raymond Horton wrote: > > > I know a percussionist who talks about "k

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On 20 Jul 2005 at 4:00, John Bell wrote: > On 20 Jul 2005, at 03:05, Raymond Horton wrote: > > > I know a percussionist who talks about "keeping his chops in shape." > > Maybe for playing the musical saw. The first time I encountered the term "chops" was at a summer band camp when I was 17. On

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On 7/20/05, Phil Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 7/20/2005 11:33 AM, John Howell wrote: > > >There's a three-part approach to this that works well with amateurs, > >and even with professionals. First you teach the music, making sure > >that all the parts are solidly learned. Then teach

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At 7/20/2005 11:33 AM, John Howell wrote: >There's a three-part approach to this that works well with amateurs, >and even with professionals. First you teach the music, making sure >that all the parts are solidly learned. Then teach the choreography, >during which they forget half the music. T

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At 9:12 AM -0400 7/20/05, Lora Crighton wrote: On 7/20/05, Phil Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can agree with that. That is probably the real reason. I find groups that do visual things while singing very distracting from the music. But, I guess that's me. Me too. Some groups can

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On 7/20/05, Phil Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can agree with that. That is probably the real reason. > > I find groups that do visual things while singing very distracting from the > music. But, I guess that's me. > Me too. Some groups can do both well, but what often happens is th

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At 7/20/2005 05:55 AM, dhbailey wrote: >Phil Daley wrote: > >> At 7/19/2005 11:42 AM, John Howell wrote: >> >> >At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: >> >>Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's >> >>just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I hea

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Phil Daley wrote: At 7/19/2005 11:42 AM, John Howell wrote: >At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: >>Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's >>just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard "axe" >>years before I ever heard of "woodshedding.

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Maybe for playing the musical saw. On 20 Jul 2005, at 03:05, Raymond Horton wrote: I know a percussionist who talks about "keeping his chops in shape." RBH >>> Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. >> >> Well, is "chops" a clue? > > >Maybe... but then what happens when

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We all need to keep our chops in shape, on all our axes, so that we'll do well on our gigs. JS On Jul 19, 2005, at 9:05 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: I know a percussionist who talks about "keeping his chops in shape." RBH >>> Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. >> >> Well

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I know a percussionist who talks about "keeping his chops in shape." RBH >>> Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. >> >> Well, is "chops" a clue? > > >Maybe... but then what happens when you're talking about sax players? >;) Are you saying sax players don't have chops??

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In the bad old days, singers in an opera or symphony chorus would sometimes be given parts that included only their music with no orchestra reduction. Sometimes it wouldn't even include all the other choral parts. I remember that Carmina Burana used to come with one chorus part for the mean a

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Phil Daley wrote: At 7/18/2005 11:43 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: >Ken Durling wrote: > >> At 07:57 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: >> >>> Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. >> >> Well, is "chops" a clue? > > >Maybe... but then what happens when you're talking about sax players?

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On 7/19/05, Mark D Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 19, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Lora Crighton wrote: > > > I actually find it easier to focus on things like tuning & balance if > > I have my score, because I can see what the other parts are doing - > > I have found that, also. > > > I'm alwa

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On 19 Jul 2005 at 17:49, Mark D Lew wrote: > I can't recall ever intentionally memorizing all parts for a choral > piece I'm singing in, but I would generally learn all four parts for > any piece where I'm the choral director, and if I later have occasion > to sing the same piece then I know al

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On Jul 19, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Lora Crighton wrote: I actually find it easier to focus on things like tuning & balance if I have my score, because I can see what the other parts are doing - I have found that, also. I'm always reading my own part & at least one other. Or are you suggesting th

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On 7/19/05, John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But I've also known legit choral conductors who insist on > memorization because (a) you don't really know the music inside out > until you've memorized it, (b) you can't concentrate on the > conductor's every gesture and expression when half

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On 7/17/05, John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now where you have a problem with shifting meanings rather than with > archaic slang is with the pre-WW 2 songs that use "gay" simply to > mean "happy," like "Glitter and Be Gay" and a ton of others. "Don we > now our gay apparel?" Not cool!

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At 7/19/2005 04:17 PM, John Howell wrote: >At 1:11 PM -0400 7/19/05, Phil Daley wrote: >>I can understand that 90% of people in those groups have to learn >>the music by rote, since they are clueless about actually reading >>the music. But why penalize me? > >Of course they do, and that's typical

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At 1:11 PM -0400 7/19/05, Phil Daley wrote: At 7/19/2005 11:42 AM, John Howell wrote: At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard "axe" years before I ever heard o

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On 19 Jul 2005 at 13:11, Phil Daley wrote: > I can sing the music correctly the first time through, obviously, using the > music. What do I gain by spending my time memorizing the same music? The ability to use your visual attention entirely to maintain ensemble with the rest of the group? Ju

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Clearly, a musical "axe" is used for cutting parts... On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Carl Dershem wrote: > Raymond Horton wrote: > > > dhbailey wrote: > > > >> Raymond Horton wrote: > >> > > In the USAF band in the late '50s, one's instrument was referred > > to as one's "axe" for no discernable

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At 7/19/2005 11:42 AM, John Howell wrote: >At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: >>Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's >>just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard "axe" >>years before I ever heard of "woodshedding.") > >And barbershopers

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At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard "axe" years before I ever heard of "woodshedding.") And barbershopers have been using "woodshedding" for decades, and

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At 7/18/2005 11:43 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: >Ken Durling wrote: > >> At 07:57 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: >> >>> Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. >> >> Well, is "chops" a clue? > > >Maybe... but then what happens when you're talking about sax players? >;) Are you saying sax players

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Hey, I resemble that remark! 8-P Ken At 08:43 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: Ken Durling wrote: At 07:57 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. Well, is "chops" a clue? Maybe... but then what happens when you're talking about sax players? ;) cd

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Ken Durling wrote: At 07:57 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. Well, is "chops" a clue? Maybe... but then what happens when you're talking about sax players? ;) cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.ed

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At 07:57 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. Well, is "chops" a clue? Ken ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

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Raymond Horton wrote: dhbailey wrote: Raymond Horton wrote: In the USAF band in the late '50s, one's instrument was referred to as one's "axe" for no discernable reason, It was (still is?) widespread jazz terminology--like "gig." The use of the term "axe" goes along with the term "woods

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Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard "axe" years before I ever heard of "woodshedding.") RBH dhbailey wrote: Raymond Horton wrote: In the USAF band in the late '50s, one's instrument was referred to

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Raymond Horton wrote: In the USAF band in the late '50s, one's instrument was referred to as one's "axe" for no discernable reason, It was (still is?) widespread jazz terminology--like "gig." The use of the term "axe" goes along with the term "woodshedding" -- what other tool would y

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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Stiller Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 2:59 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.   On Jul 17, 2005, at 6:06 PM, keith helgesen wrote: Interesting- the line from the show "Ki

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In the USAF band in the late '50s, one's instrument was referred to as one's "axe" for no discernable reason, It was (still is?) widespread jazz terminology--like "gig." Still is. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu

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On Jul 17, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Crystal Premo wrote: I vote that we bring the word "swyve" or "suive" if you prefer, back into common usage. John Barth attempted to do this 40 years ago, in The Sotweed Factor. The book (set in 18th-c. Maryland) employs the word very frequently, and ends with these

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On Jul 17, 2005, at 6:06 PM, keith helgesen wrote: Interesting- the line from the show "Kiss me Kate" = I've come to swive it  (something)ly in Padua.  - always had me puzzled! It makes sense now! On the off chance that this is not a joke, the actual line is "I've come to wive it wealthily in P

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Darcy James Argue wrote: On 17 Jul 2005, at 3:28 PM, Ken Durling wrote: Surely you remember Isaac Hayes and "Super Fly?" No, not Isaac Hayes. Curtis Mayfield! BIG difference. Isaac Hayes did "Shaft." -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

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620587 Private Mob 0417-042171   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crystal Premo Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 4:34 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.   I still use these expressions:  dig it, groovy, cat.  People seem

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On 17 Jul 2005 at 13:00, John Howell wrote: > Now where you have a problem with shifting meanings rather than with > archaic slang is with the pre-WW 2 songs that use "gay" simply to > mean "happy," like "Glitter and Be Gay" and a ton of others. "Don we > now our gay apparel?" Not cool! Or t

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Yow!! You're sure right, Curtis Mayfield was great.Mea culpa. Hayes was "Shaft." Ken At 12:54 PM 7/17/2005, you wrote: On 17 Jul 2005, at 3:28 PM, Ken Durling wrote: Surely you remember Isaac Hayes and "Super Fly?" No, not Isaac Hayes. Curtis Mayfield! BIG difference. - Darcy -

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On 17 Jul 2005 at 13:46, keith helgesen wrote: > I think I agree with you! After all, (to sail VERY close to the wind), the > assertion is around that the acronym for "File Under Carnal Knowledge" used > to be placed on Police files- thus creating the slang term for- well, you > know! > > I suspe

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I vote that we bring the word "swyve" or "suive" if you prefer, back into common usage. This conversation is getting on my swyving nerves. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject

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On 17 Jul 2005, at 3:28 PM, Ken Durling wrote: Surely you remember Isaac Hayes and "Super Fly?" No, not Isaac Hayes. Curtis Mayfield! BIG difference. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://l

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s because of the timeliness of tapes, or simply because I dislike the juxtaposition of tapes and dreams. I think it is the latter. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Chuck Israels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing

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At 09:01 AM 7/17/2005, you wrote: At 10:26 AM -0400 7/17/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: Beggin' your pardon, but that word is not slang. Here's how my dictionary defines slang: 1) A kind of language esp. occurring in casual or playful speech, usu. made up of short-lived coinages and figures of spe

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Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:46 PM, keith helgesen wrote: I think I agree with you! After all, (to sail VERY close to the wind), the assertion is around that the acronym for "File Under Carnal Knowledge" used to be placed on Police files- thus creating the slang term for- we

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OK, I admit to a personal viewpoint about this. "Hang you up the most" sounds dated and awkward to my ears, and I wouldn't have used it when it was current slang (in my college years, or something like that). Now, using current internet jargon, I say, "YMMV." :-) Chuck On Jul 17, 2005, a

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I still use these expressions: dig it, groovy, cat. People seem to understand me. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Joel Sears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:24:36 -0500 I don&#x

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I don't get it, what's the hang up with that song title? The other day, I was in a conversation with a group at work. I said "wouldn't be neat if we could... A twenty something coworker asked " did you say neat? To which I answered "totally." JS On Jul 17, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Chuck Israels

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From Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins by Robert Hendrickson, 1987: f*ck. Originally a quite acceptable word, f*ck was recorded in an English dictionary as early as John Florio's A World of Words (1598). The word doesn't drive from the police blotter entry "[booked] for unlawful carnal

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True, but in this case the song is so well established that I don't even think of the title as being archaic. It says what it says, and everybody knows what it means. (Or maybe not; maybe we should try it on Crystal's teenagers!) I just sang part of the song for my thirteen-year-old and aske

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At 9:42 AM -0700 7/17/05, Chuck Israels wrote: Using slang often has drawbacks. You can identify yourself as in a momentarily "in" group, only to find your expression hopelessly out of date in a short time. None of this is news to most of you, but it strikes me as most unfortunate that the ot

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Using slang often has drawbacks. You can identify yourself as in a momentarily "in" group, only to find your expression hopelessly out of date in a short time. None of this is news to most of you, but it strikes me as most unfortunate that the otherwise beautiful, lyrically and musically

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In a message dated 17/07/2005 17:02:09 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Anglo-Saxon, n'est-çe pas?" No, it isn't Anglo Saxon :-) All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk Dulcian Wind Quintet: http://dulcianwind.co.uk __

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At 10:26 AM -0400 7/17/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: Beggin' your pardon, but that word is not slang. Here's how my dictionary defines slang: 1) A kind of language esp. occurring in casual or playful speech, usu. made up of short-lived coinages and figures of speech *deliberately used in place

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On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Ken Durling wrote: As long as we're talking about slang superlatives, I'd like to hear some theories about where "fly" came from or how it came to mean what it does. I was surprised to read that it was in usage in the 30's - in Duke's "Music is my Mistress" wit

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On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:46 PM, keith helgesen wrote: I think I agree with you! After all, (to sail VERY close to the wind), the assertion is around that the acronym for "File Under Carnal Knowledge" used to be placed on Police files- thus creating the slang term for- well, you know! Beggin

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That word you refer to is a very old one, originally quite acceptable, and recorded in an English dictionary as early as 1598. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "keith helgesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: Subject: RE: [Finale] Blowing O.T. Date:

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As long as you still like my name, I don't care about Fat and Phat. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Raymond Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:03:49 -0400 Crystal, even tho

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u.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:03:49 -0400 Crystal, even though I still think your name is most certainly Phat (I believe I gushed about it once before), I really doubt that derivation. I'd be willing to bet cold cash that the word came

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At 11:56 PM 7/16/2005, Ken  Durling wrote:   >As long as we're talking about slang superlatives, I'd like to hear some >theories about where "fly" came from or how it came to mean what it >does.   I was surprised to read that it was in usage in the 30's - in >Duke's "Music is my Mistress" with

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At 1:46 PM +1000 7/17/05, keith helgesen wrote: I think I agree with you! After all, (to sail VERY close to the wind), the assertion is around that the acronym for "File Under Carnal Knowledge" used to be placed on Police files- thus creating the slang term for- well, you know! I suspect tha

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On 16 Jul 2005, at 11:46 PM, keith helgesen wrote: I think I agree with you! After all, (to sail VERY close to the wind), the assertion is around that the acronym for "File Under Carnal Knowledge" used to be placed on Police files- thus creating the slang term for- well, you know! I suspect that

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As long as we're talking about slang superlatives, I'd like to hear some theories about where "fly" came from or how it came to mean what it does. I was surprised to read that it was in usage in the 30's - in Duke's "Music is my Mistress" with much the same meaning (fly girl) as it has now, o

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s K Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0439-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raymond Horton Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 1:04 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Final

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Crystal, even though I still think your name is most certainly Phat (I believe I gushed about it once before), I really doubt that derivation. I'd be willing to bet cold cash that the word came first. RBH Crystal Premo wrote: I'm quite sure that the "pretty hot and tempting" explanation is n

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At 04:56 PM 07/16/2005, Crystal Premo wrote: >I'm quite sure that the "pretty hot and tempting" explanation is not a >fantasy. Both my teenagers consider it common knowledge. They rolled their >eyes at me with impatience when I asked just now. See "

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OTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:39:45 -0400 That's almost certainly a joke made up for the movie. Really, the transition from "a fat beat" to "a phat beat" doesn't require an elabor

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That's almost certainly a joke made up for the movie. Really, the transition from "a fat beat" to "a phat beat" doesn't require an elaborate alternative explanation. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Jul 2005, at 4:24 PM, Crystal Premo wrote: True, nevertheless. As a matte

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True, nevertheless. As a matter of face, Chris Tucker explains it for a bunch of white people in one of his movies. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:02:37 +

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that is a cool thing to have on your "resume," Chuck. That's great. Ken Remember Lenny Bruce's schtick on "What I don't understand is why saying 'F%$# You' is a BAD thing??" Ken _ I certainly do. I spent 6 weeks working opposite him at the Village V

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On Jul 16, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Ken Durling wrote: At 09:41 AM 7/16/2005, you wrote: Enough on this OT topic from me today. Just intrigued that others are interested in some of this arcane history. Thank you kindly for sharing those reflections, Chuck. I'm sure I could listen to your s

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At 09:41 AM 7/16/2005, you wrote: Enough on this OT topic from me today. Just intrigued that others are interested in some of this arcane history. Thank you kindly for sharing those reflections, Chuck. I'm sure I could listen to your stories for hours! You've known and worked with some gr

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On Jul 16, 2005, at 8:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I envy you that era. Did you by any chance ever cross paths with Lord Buckley? (I don't remember what year he passed - sometime in the 60's I think) Yes, but my exposure to him was limited. There were some terrific characters - Irw

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I envy you that era. Did you by any chance ever cross paths with Lord Buckley? (I don't remember what year he passed - sometime in the 60's I think) It also doesn't surprise me what you say about Lenny's preparation. It's a misconception held about many "improvisors." Ken > > On Jul 16,

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On Jul 16, 2005, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that is a cool thing to have on your "resume," Chuck. That's great. Ken There are so many things to which I had access simply by being a part of the jazz scene during the period when there still was one - before the 60s revol

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Now that is a cool thing to have on your "resume," Chuck. That's great. Ken > Remember Lenny Bruce's schtick on "What I don't understand is why > saying 'F%$# You' is a BAD thing??" > > Ken > > _ I certainly do. I spent 6 weeks working opposite him at the Village Vanguard some (how many

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On Jul 16, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Ken Durling wrote: At 05:47 AM 7/15/2005, you wrote: Showing up farther down the list doesn't mean much, I think. Context determines meaning. Remember Lenny Bruce's schtick on "What I don't understand is why saying 'F%$# You' is a BAD thing??" Ken _ I

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ot and tempting". > > > > > > > > Crystal Premo > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > >> From: Ken Durling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu > >> To: finale@shsu.edu > >> Subj

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ut "phat" means "pretty hot and tempting". Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ken Durling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:37:50 -0700 At 01:17 AM 7/16/2005, you wrote

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At 05:47 AM 7/15/2005, you wrote: Showing up farther down the list doesn't mean much, I think. Context determines meaning. Remember Lenny Bruce's schtick on "What I don't understand is why saying 'F%$# You' is a BAD thing??" Ken ___ Finale mailin

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u.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:17:37 -0700 On Jul 15, 2005, at 5:47 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Maybe fifteen years ago I first heard "blows" meaning bad. It was around the time that the expression "blowing chunks" (for

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I am getting just the end of this, so forgive me if this has been stated, but "phat" means "pretty hot and tempting". Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ken Durling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Blow

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At 01:17 AM 7/16/2005, you wrote: I'm pretty sure there *is* a connection between "phat" and "fat". The acronymic etymologies are all fallacious. Like as in a "fat bankroll" or paycheck. Ken ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shs

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On Jul 15, 2005, at 5:47 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Maybe fifteen years ago I first heard "blows" meaning bad. It was around the time that the expression "blowing chunks" (for throwing up) gained popularity, and often the two were interchanged. "That team blows chunks!" would be freely inte

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On Jul 15, 2005, at 12:45 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Hmm, OK. Time for some slang etymology here. ... Maybe fifteen years ago I first heard "blows" meaning bad. It was around the time that the expression "blowing chunks" (for throwing up) gained popularity, and ofte

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Christopher Smith wrote: Hmm, OK. Time for some slang etymology here. ... Maybe fifteen years ago I first heard "blows" meaning bad. It was around the time that the expression "blowing chunks" (for throwing up) gained popularity, and often the two were interchanged. "That team blows chunks!"