On 14.03.2009 Christopher Smith wrote:
Uh, not in the context we are talking about? A three quarter note pickup in
4/4? I DEFINITELY only want three beats in that bar, and preferably a quarter
and a half, in that order.
But that is not a measure, it is a partial measure, which is a
On 14.03.2009 Phil Daley wrote:
This is *your* reaction, not one that is universally shared.
As a player, if there are no notes in a particular measure, I would prefer to
see just one rest taking up the whole measure.
Sure, a whole rest, or a double whole in longer measures. But not a
Of course, but that is not what the sentence to which I replied said!
it said:
As a player, if there are no notes in a particular measure, I would
prefer to see just one rest taking up the whole measure.
We have already seen the correct answer for a three beat pickup in 4/4
time - a
On 12.03.2009 David W. Fenton wrote:
On 12 Mar 2009 at 7:21, Christopher Smith wrote:
you ignore the opinions of every recognised expert in the
field who has published a book on the subject. That HAS to count for
something?
For me, it counts for exactly ZILCH.
That's quite ok. On the
On 13.03.2009 dhbailey wrote:
Surely we could put together an equal and opposing number of position papers on
the use of dotted rests being A) clear to the performer; B) as easy to read
with a little practice as any other facet of notation is for those who aren't
comfortable with them; C)
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 13.03.2009 dhbailey wrote:
Surely we could put together an equal and opposing number of position
papers on the use of dotted rests being A) clear to the performer; B)
as easy to read with a little practice as any other facet of notation
is for those who aren't
At 11:46 PM -0400 3/12/09, Christopher Smith wrote:
Yes and furthermore, the original question was
pertaining to placement of a dotted half rest
starting on beat 2 of a pickup measure.
Syncopated rests (held over to a stronger beat)
are NEVER used in modern notation, whereas
syncopated notes
Dotted half rests, in non-compound meters, give the music an amateurish
appearance, just as a conversational tone might tarnish an article for a
scholarly journal. Y'know what I mean?
Whenever I see a dotted half rest in non-compound meter, I assume a
computer engraver with auto-fill rests
Ray Horton wrote:
Dotted half rests, in non-compound meters, give the music an amateurish
appearance, just as a conversational tone might tarnish an article for a
scholarly journal. Y'know what I mean?
Whenever I see a dotted half rest in non-compound meter, I assume a
computer engraver
On 13 Mar 2009, at 4:58 PM, dhbailey wrote:
I'm curious and not trying to pick a fight -- why do they look
amateurish?
Because most publishers don't use dotted rests (except dotted eighth
rests and smaller) in non-compound meters.
And why do they look amateurish when dotted half-notes
I'm
really wondering about why we accept some things from notes
which we don't accept from rests, such as
quarter-half-quarter being perfectly acceptable when they're
written as notes but not acceptable when written as rests.
Why not?
On just this question, and not the other ones
On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I'm really wondering about why we accept some things from notes
which we don't accept from rests, such as quarter-half-quarter
being perfectly acceptable when they're written as notes but not
acceptable when written as rests. Why
On 13 Mar 2009 at 16:18, Ray Horton wrote:
Dotted half rests, in non-compound meters, give the music an amateurish
appearance, just as a conversational tone might tarnish an article for a
scholarly journal. Y'know what I mean?
Whenever I see a dotted half rest in non-compound meter, I
At 3/13/2009 06:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 13 Mar 2009 at 16:18, Ray Horton wrote:
Dotted half rests, in non-compound meters, give the music an amateurish
appearance, just as a conversational tone might tarnish an article for a
scholarly journal. Y'know what I mean?
Whenever I see a
dhbailey wrote:
Ray Horton wrote:
Dotted half rests, in non-compound meters, give the music an
amateurish appearance, just as a conversational tone might tarnish an
article for a scholarly journal. Y'know what I mean?
Whenever I see a dotted half rest in non-compound meter, I assume a
Yes - a whole rest.
RBH
Phil Daley wrote:
At 3/13/2009 06:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 13 Mar 2009 at 16:18, Ray Horton wrote:
Dotted half rests, in non-compound meters, give the music an
amateurish
appearance, just as a conversational tone might tarnish an article
for a
Uh, not in the context we are talking about? A three quarter note
pickup in 4/4? I DEFINITELY only want three beats in that bar, and
preferably a quarter and a half, in that order.
Christopher
On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Ray Horton wrote:
Yes - a whole rest.
RBH
Phil Daley wrote:
At 11:42 PM -0400 3/13/09, Christopher Smith wrote:
Uh, not in the context we are talking about? A three quarter note
pickup in 4/4? I DEFINITELY only want three beats in that bar, and
preferably a quarter and a half, in that order.
Christopher
Agreed. Having a full bar rest as a pickup
On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:27 AM, John Howell wrote:
I'm all for context, but I would like to gently point you to some
rules regarding what's incorrect and correct practice for
notating rests.
Gardner Read: page 99
Essential Dictionary of Music Notation (Alfred): page 198
Ross: page 180
At 7:21 AM -0400 3/12/09, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:27 AM, John Howell wrote:
And Clinton Roemer manages to avoid giving any special rules about
this at all.
No, he doesn't. Page 40, point 19 in the edition I use, he agrees
with everyone else.
I don't doubt you, but
On 12 Mar 2009 at 6:20, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
As Finale users, our hope is that musicians can read and understand
what we want them to play and get it right the first time. With that
in mind, I avoid dotted rests. Not because they aren't allowed, but
because I think they make
On 12 Mar 2009 at 7:21, Christopher Smith wrote:
you ignore the opinions of every recognised expert in the
field who has published a book on the subject. That HAS to count for
something?
For me, it counts for exactly ZILCH.
--
David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com
David
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 12 Mar 2009 at 7:21, Christopher Smith wrote:
you ignore the opinions of every recognised expert in the
field who has published a book on the subject. That HAS to count for
something?
For me, it counts for exactly ZILCH.
I've always wondered whether these
De gustibus, etc.
The double-dotted half note on beat one is one of the most useful and
commonly used ways of notating ubiquitous swing rhythms like long
note on one, short note on and of four or (when tied to an eighth at
the end of the previous bar) long chain of long notes on the and
Yes and furthermore, the original question was pertaining to
placement of a dotted half rest starting on beat 2 of a pickup
measure. Syncopated rests (held over to a stronger beat) are NEVER
used in modern notation, whereas syncopated notes are commonplace. I
stand by my original answer.
On 12 Mar 2009 at 23:46, Christopher Smith wrote:
Yes and furthermore, the original question was pertaining to
placement of a dotted half rest starting on beat 2 of a pickup
measure. Syncopated rests (held over to a stronger beat) are NEVER
used in modern notation, whereas syncopated
On 11 Mar 2009 at 14:14, Ryan Beard wrote:
Dotted half rests aren't allowed in common time or 4/4 in any
circumstance in my opinion. Rests should never hide the 3rd beat or
the middle of a bar. (So, no half rests in 3/4.)
This seems like an unnecessarily strict rule, and one that is not
On 11 Mar 2009 at 16:05, Ryan Beard wrote:
Dotted half rests aren't allowed in common time or 4/4 in any
circumstance in my opinion. Rests should never hide the 3rd beat or
the middle of a bar. (So, no half rests in 3/4.)
This seems like an unnecessarily strict rule, and one that is
Hi Ryan,
The standard solution would be quarter rest, half rest. Three quarter
rests is -- I don't want to say wrong, but certainly nonstandard in
the situation you describe.
- Darcy
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djar...@mac.com
Brooklyn, NY
On 11 Mar 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
What about a
On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
What about a dotted half rest?
No, thanks. Dotted half rests aren't allowed in common time or 4/4
in any circumstance in my opinion. Rests should never hide the 3rd
beat or the middle of a bar. (So, no half rests in 3/4.)
I think I'll
I'd much rather look at examples of engraving that I think are
attractive and readable and match *that*, instead of
looking up something in a book.
... the book being based in most cases on some form of
(mis)interpretation of said examples...
ryan, dude... neither finale nor read are
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