Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 01.10.2006 David W. Fenton wrote: OK, if you're so smart, explain to me, if it's a fully open non- proprietary standard, it's not installed by default on any PCs except Apple and Sony? Why is it that the only hardware manufacturers who routinely provide firewire ports are the ones who

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread dhbailey
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 12:47 PM wrote: Where, exactly, does Windows require a floppy disk? When you need to do emergency boot. This was true in WIN 98 SE, but is not true in WIN XP. Emergency boot in WIN XP is from CD or DVD.

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip] OK, if you're so smart, explain to me, if it's a fully open non- proprietary standard, it's not installed by default on any PCs except Apple and Sony? Why is it that the only hardware manufacturers who routinely provide firewire ports are the ones who created the

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread dhbailey
A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 02:04 PM wrote: Seems to me you're just behind the times, which is pretty typical of those who criticize both Windows and Mac. You are not helping, David. None of my lowly PCs, Dell Dimension P-III 1GHz, homemade P-II, and two ThinkPads

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread dhbailey
Javier Ruiz wrote: Only 5% of Mac's out there? We should start wearing any kind of bracelet to recognize ourselves. We are s few. [We'll revise the figures after Windows Vista makes 70% of the installed PC's unusable] [snip] That assumes that at least 70% of the installed PCs actually

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread A-NO-NE Music
dhbailey / 2006/10/02 / 06:00 AM wrote: It didn't even have to be true in Win98 -- it was possible to create a bootable CD, and whether a computer can boot from CD or DVD or has to boot from a floppy or hard drive is purely a function of the computer's CMOS setup, nothing to do with windows.

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread David W. Fenton
On 2 Oct 2006 at 0:16, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 04:06 PM wrote: None of the machines you describe should need a boot floppy. Maybe you just don't know how to use the Windows installation disk and the command console. You are correct, David. I don't know how to

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread David W. Fenton
On 2 Oct 2006 at 13:01, A-NO-NE Music wrote: dhbailey / 2006/10/02 / 06:00 AM wrote: It didn't even have to be true in Win98 -- it was possible to create a bootable CD, and whether a computer can boot from CD or DVD or has to boot from a floppy or hard drive is purely a function of the

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-02 Thread A-NO-NE Music
David W. Fenton / 2006/10/02 / 01:49 PM wrote: It was still the primary boot hard drive that was doing the booting -- there was no magic that allowed you to boot from any device just because you had OS/2. You had to have the boot manager configured to boot from the particular device. I don't

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Darcy James Argue / 2006/09/30 / 04:36 PM wrote: Also, I noticed that OS X is not quite as smart about this as I thought. Sometimes, changing the file extension to .PDF really will cause Finale files to (try and fail to) open in my PDF reader. I'm not quite sure why this doesn't happen

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Sep 2006 at 12:42, Richard Yates wrote: What you have to know is different between Mac and Windows, but you still have to have certain knowledge to keep things running smoothly. Not true at all. Now this is simply disingenuous. How many years did I hear Mac folks tell each

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Sep 2006 at 15:47, Darcy James Argue wrote: The problem on Windows seems to be that for some strange reason, when saving backups, it's normal for Windows apps use the .bak extension instead of the usual filetype extension. That doesn't seem like such a great idea to me. Er, how else

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Sep 2006 at 18:46, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Completely different issue than a file extension. And that is a OS 9 and before thing, so, maybe 6 years ago that would be a fair dig. But it's about as outdated now as Floppy disks. Oh, but Windows still uses those Where, exactly, does

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread A-NO-NE Music
David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 12:47 PM wrote: Where, exactly, does Windows require a floppy disk? When you need to do emergency boot. Seriously, I'd love to know how to create bootable Win32 CDR with applications (but not DOS) of your choice such as maintenance tools. Any pointer would be

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I'll take repairing permissions (which is a cron job that most unix systems run weekly as well) over the virus/security hole of the day/week that Microsoft has any day. David W. Fenton wrote: As to current problems, what about repairing permissions? That's a specifically OS X problem that is

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Eric Dannewitz
And my favorite Windows thing is the daily Windows Update to see if Microsoft got off it's ass and fixed Windows flaw #445325 or perhaps #787534 or did they get around to closing hole #421233 in Internet Explorerwho knows. It's a daily treat though! David W. Fenton wrote: On 30 Sep

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Eric Dannewitz / 2006/10/01 / 01:03 PM wrote: repairing permissions (which is a cron job that most unix systems run weekly as well) As far as I know, cron script does not invoke repair permission. It is mainly for cache cleaning task. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I believe, at least on FreeBSD systems, it's in /etc/periodic/security. There are scripts that are run, I think, weekly on a system to check out user id (uid) and other file permissions. Perhaps it's run monthly. I think the periodic stuff that is run daily is, as you said, to check out

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
No, but there are two very easy solutions: 1) Specify a different folder for backups. OR: 2) Have the application append bak BEFORE the file extension. This is what Finale does with autosaved files (not backups). If the regular file is MyMasterpiece.mus, the autosave file is MyMasterpiece

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 12:57, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 12:47 PM wrote: Where, exactly, does Windows require a floppy disk? When you need to do emergency boot. Since when? I haven't done a floppy disk boot (intentionally) in ages. I always do emergency boots from the

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
I stand corrected -- Javier points out that Finale appends copy to the name (not the file extension) of backups when they are set to save in the same folder as the original files. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 01 Oct 2006, at 2:00 PM,

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 10:03, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: As to current problems, what about repairing permissions? That's a specifically OS X problem that is ridiculous from the point of view of a reliable security system, one that NT-based Windows has had for quite a long,

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Yeah, you are right again. It's CLOSED technology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewire That is why it's on digital camcorders, and is an IEEE standard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Electrical_and_Electronics_Engineers Yep. You are correct again. David W. Fenton wrote: Firewire is

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 01 Oct 2006, at 2:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Something is wrong with the design of OS X's security subsystem if it has to be constantly repaired. It doesn't. Earlier versions of OS X were prone to permissions errors, but this hardly ever happens any more. I have a script set to

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 10:05, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 30 Sep 2006 at 12:42, Richard Yates wrote: What you have to know is different between Mac and Windows, but you still have to have certain knowledge to keep things running smoothly. Not true at

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 13:19, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 2006/10/01 / 01:03 PM wrote: repairing permissions (which is a cron job that most unix systems run weekly as well) As far as I know, cron script does not invoke repair permission. It is mainly for cache cleaning task.

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 14:00, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 01 Oct 2006, at 12:45 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 30 Sep 2006 at 15:47, Darcy James Argue wrote: The problem on Windows seems to be that for some strange reason, when saving backups, it's normal for Windows apps use the .bak

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Eric Dannewitz
David W. Fenton wrote: On 1 Oct 2006 at 10:03, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'll take repairing permissions (which is a cron job that most unix systems run weekly as well) over the virus/security hole of the day/week that Microsoft has any day. What are you talking about? I and my clients

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 11:15, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: Firewire is a Sony/Apple technology and simply not well-supported elsewhere (because it's a closed technology). USB drives are bootable with newer BIOSes. All Dells allow it these days. Seems to me you're just

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 14:16, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 01 Oct 2006, at 2:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Something is wrong with the design of OS X's security subsystem if it has to be constantly repaired. It doesn't. Earlier versions of OS X were prone to permissions errors, but this

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 11:23, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 1 Oct 2006 at 10:03, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'll take repairing permissions (which is a cron job that most unix systems run weekly as well) over the virus/security hole of the day/week that Microsoft has any

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 13:27, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 12:47 PM wrote: Where, exactly, does Windows require a floppy disk? When you need to do emergency boot. This was true in WIN 98 SE, but is not true in WIN XP. Emergency boot in

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 01 Oct 2006, at 2:26 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I don't know why WinFin doesn't offer this option. Is it user controllable, or does it just happen because that's the way MacFin is written? I believe it's the way MacFin is written. However, in many cases OS X will also rename files with

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread A-NO-NE Music
David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 02:04 PM wrote: Seems to me you're just behind the times, which is pretty typical of those who criticize both Windows and Mac. You are not helping, David. None of my lowly PCs, Dell Dimension P-III 1GHz, homemade P-II, and two ThinkPads boots off USB. ThinkPads

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Phil Daley
At 02:33 PM 10/1/2006, David W. Fenton wrote: On 1 Oct 2006 at 14:16, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 01 Oct 2006, at 2:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Something is wrong with the design of OS X's security subsystem if it has to be constantly repaired. It doesn't. Earlier versions of OS X

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 15:04, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 02:04 PM wrote: Seems to me you're just behind the times, which is pretty typical of those who criticize both Windows and Mac. You are not helping, David. None of my lowly PCs, Dell Dimension P-III 1GHz, homemade

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Carl Dershem
Phil Daley wrote: When I used OS/2 for several years, IBM had file type stuff stored in an attributes file. This emulated the Mac, that the same file extension could be associated to different programs. Unfortunately, this part of OS/2 was very prone to breaking and rendering files

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Hmm, well, my home made PCs can boot off CD-Rom/DVD. This includes my lowly dual pentium III server computer, bought and built by me in 1998. But, what you can do when you boot, that is a different matter. You can't really do anything useful with the Windows XP CD. Perhaps the emergency disk

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I have no clue as to why it's not supported more. However, a lot of newer motherboards do have firewire on them now. I imagine PC makers, and it's users, are slow adapting to anything new. Look at PC cases. They haven't changed in 20 years. Still boxes. They still have PS/2 connectors. And

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 13:38, Eric Dannewitz wrote: You can't really do anything useful with the Windows XP CD. You can if you boot to the command console. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Richard Yates
The reality is there are still 70-80% IE users. The breakdown at my site in 2006: MS Internet Explorer 75.9 % Firefox 2.4 % Safari 3.7 % Unknown 3.3 % Mozilla 1.4 % Opera 1.2 % Netscape 0.8 % Windows 89.4 % Macintosh 5 % Unknown 4.5 % Linux 0.8 %

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Javier Ruiz
Only 5% of Mac's out there? We should start wearing any kind of bracelet to recognize ourselves. We are s few. [We'll revise the figures after Windows Vista makes 70% of the installed PC's unusable] Javier (80% Mac-20%PC Pentium [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get the wireless signal from my

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 14:10, Richard Yates wrote: The reality is there are still 70-80% IE users. The breakdown at my site in 2006: MS Internet Explorer 75.9 % Firefox 2.4 % Safari 3.7 % Unknown 3.3 % Mozilla 1.4 % Opera 1.2 % Netscape 0.8 % The

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 13:55, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: OK, if you're so smart, explain to me, if it's a fully open non- proprietary standard, it's not installed by default on any PCs except Apple and Sony? Why is it that the only hardware manufacturers who routinely provide

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread Richard Yates
The reality is there are still 70-80% IE users. The breakdown at my site in 2006: MS Internet Explorer 75.9 % The website of a client of mine has: IE 50% Windows 89.4 % Macintosh 5 % Windows 58% Unknown 15% Mac 12% My personal website has: Netscape (compatible)

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Oct 2006 at 15:04, Richard Yates wrote: The reality is there are still 70-80% IE users. The breakdown at my site in 2006: MS Internet Explorer 75.9 % The website of a client of mine has: IE 50% Windows 89.4 % Macintosh 5 % Windows 58% Unknown 15% Mac

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-10-01 Thread A-NO-NE Music
David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 04:06 PM wrote: None of the machines you describe should need a boot floppy. Maybe you just don't know how to use the Windows installation disk and the command console. You are correct, David. I don't know how to launch CLI from Win2K installer disk. I just

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Um, Windows. Go figure... Try renaming the file from .BAK to .MUS. That will work. If the BAK file is in the same directory as the original .MUS file, rename one of them like Mygreatscore_bak.mus or Mygreatscore_oldmus.mus Will Denayer wrote: Thank you everyone, Now it makes sense

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Michael Cook
Have you tried changing the .BAK extension to .MUS? On 30 Sep 2006, at 17:23, Will Denayer wrote: Thank you everyone, Now it makes sense again. However, I do not seem to be able to open a BAK.file (I can't find it inside Finale and when I click on the icon, Windows says that it cannot open

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Sep 2006 at 10:40, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 30 Sep 2006 at 8:29, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Um, Windows. Go figure... Try renaming the file from .BAK to .MUS. That will work. If the BAK file is in the same directory as the original .MUS file, rename one

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Sep 2006, at 1:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Yes, the Mac has metadata and keeps data about file creator and which application to use to open it, which means multiple apps can use the same file assocation (at least, it used to be that way -- did OS X's UNIX origins remove that?). Yes.

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Scott Jones
Even fewer steps... right click the file and choose OPEN WITH and then choose Finale200x version that you wish to open it with. If it is a finale Bak it will show Finale as an option to open it with. ___ J. Scott Jones Band/Orchestra

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Sep 2006 at 15:07, Scott Jones wrote: Even fewer steps... right click the file and choose OPEN WITH and then choose Finale200x version that you wish to open it with. If it is a finale Bak it will show Finale as an option to open it with. That's right click on WinXP and Win2K3 Server

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
David W. Fenton wrote: No, learn how to use your Windows machine. Yes, the Mac has metadata and keeps data about file creator and which application to use to open it, which means multiple apps can use the same file assocation (at least, it used to be that way -- did OS X's UNIX origins

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Will Denayer wrote: Thank you everyone, Now it makes sense again. However, I do not seem to be able to open a BAK.file (I can't find it inside Finale and when I click on the icon, Windows says that it cannot open the document but that it can look up the program on the net. When I click OK,

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Richard Yates
What you have to know is different between Mac and Windows, but you still have to have certain knowledge to keep things running smoothly. Not true at all. Now this is simply disingenuous. How many years did I hear Mac folks tell each other to 'rebuild the desktop' or to something arcane

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Sep 2006, at 3:31 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Not true at all. You stated above that the Mac has metadata that keeps track of things. So, even though I have .BAK word and .BAK Finale and other files, the Mac OS can open the right program to run them. Hell, you can even get rid of the

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Sep 2006, at 3:42 PM, Richard Yates wrote: What you have to know is different between Mac and Windows, but you still have to have certain knowledge to keep things running smoothly. Not true at all. Now this is simply disingenuous. How many years did I hear Mac folks tell each

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 03:47 PM 9/30/06 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's just a little smarter about it than Windows -- it knows which applications can open which file types. If I change the file extension of a Finale document to .doc, it will still open in Finale, not Word. If I change the file extension

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Sep 2006, at 4:28 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 03:47 PM 9/30/06 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's just a little smarter about it than Windows -- it knows which applications can open which file types. If I change the file extension of a Finale document to .doc, it will still open

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 30, 2006, at 4:36 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Sep 2006, at 4:28 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Does that mean you cannot force another app to open any file on Mac? Or is the 'sticky' association more of a convenience? The latter. I can, for instance, drag my Finale files

Re: [Finale] BAK.files

2006-09-30 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Completely different issue than a file extension. And that is a OS 9 and before thing, so, maybe 6 years ago that would be a fair dig. But it's about as outdated now as Floppy disks. Oh, but Windows still uses those You can read up on OS X via Wikipedia or even