At 2/20/2007 07:19 PM, John Howell wrote:
One of my favorite lines from the generation that saw the first
recording technology is Holmes, saying to Watson, Come, doctor,
we're off to the Albert Hall to hear Sarasate play. But that was in
London. Neither Sarasate nor anyone else famous would
On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:19 PM, John Howell wrote:
the textbook I use says there are 104. Did Haydn write three new
ones?
There are three unnumbered early symphonies now known as A, B, and C.
To confuse matters further, Haydn counted his Sinfonia Concertante as
one of his symphonies,
Not the 4 chord, silly; Intravenous (IV's, as in intensive care. Speaking
of which, do they play muzak in the ER, too?)
But, the IV chord can be a marvelous thing, as long as it's loaded with
non-diatonic tensions! (or just apply a liberal dose of the MixoLocrian
scale from the root a perfect
Did someone spike the punch this guy is drinking?
Music can cease to be soul food if you are having it fed to you on IV's
24/7.
Yes, I agree. I have often maintained that overuse of the IV chord
makes everything sound real bland.
8-)
Christopher
not to mention the utter incompatibility of
I think you're catching on. This kind of humor is quite common on this
list. I think we're all a little punch drunk after staring at little
dots and lines. Besides, we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. :-)
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Not the 4 chord, silly; Intravenous (IV's, as in
When I find the smoking gun, I'll send it to you. This is a gut feeling
based on what I have seen and heard during the past 30 years as a writer
and performer. Just a quick recall of the bells and Pavlov's dogs should
illustrate what happens with repeated stimulus; If they salivate whenever
they
Judging from my own experience with students (even music students
sometimes), and the change in the listening behavior of audiences I
have encountered over a 50 year career, I have to agree with Vern's
assessment, whatever the reasons for it.
As long as people who have been brought up
On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a quick recall of the bells and Pavlov's dogs should
illustrate what happens with repeated stimulus; If they salivate
whenever
they hear a bell now, when someone who has systematically and
subconsciously shut down their antennae to
At 6:02 PM -0500 2/20/07, Andrew Stiller wrote:
All these critics have it upside down: popular music is composed and
distributed because it is what people want to hear. It is just not
true to assert that the music comes first and is imposed
manipulatively upon an unthinking populace. What is
The whole issue of this incessant ongoing external stimulation addiction
that has been epidemic in US culture for the past several generations is
killing all the arts and ultimately depriving the every day average person
from having any kind of truly spiritual artistic experience. If you are
Cumulative effects of this are loss of perception. (just as though
you stared at the sun directly all day! how's your vision now?)
nice point. the thing about hearing loss is that it is typically not
something you notice deteriorating (except in the case of various
kinds of trauma); it's
The problem here that bothers me the most is that it's not a physical
thing. It's the brain adapting a defense mechanism, not a mechanical or
chemical failure of your metabolism. But the impact ultimately will be
spiritual deprivation, because the music or the art will no longer be
viewed with
when in days of old, people wanted to hear music (because they
recognized that their lives were barren without it), they would go
to the town square It was considered a special event, an
important ingredient in their lives, and the ears and mind were open
and ready to invest to this
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So the complaint seems to be not that the songs are '70s
songs, because they can't help being. It's that they
supposedly don't SOUND like '50s songs, and there I'll
certainly agree, although anybody who didn't live through
the era has a very skewed idea
I understand (and have seen photos lithographs of the burlesquing
audiences); do you also recall where Shakepeare put his theatre? (in the
middle of the town square, the marketplace, the middle of the friggin
road.) SO WHAT! People came looking for it. THEY SOUGHT IT OUT. They
heckled, they
I just realized I spat out some not so pleasant nor helpful comments when
I responded a couple of minutes ago, and regret that I didn't take another
minute or so to think out a more gracious response. I am sincerely hopeful
that shirling neueweise will accept my apology for being crude and
hey vern, no worries, it pisses me off too.
cheers,
jef
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At 8:55 AM -0800 2/19/07, Mark D Lew wrote:
If filtering the 1950s setting through a 1970s sensibility is a
purpose of the film, it's only a post-hoc attempt to make virtue of
necessity, sort of like turning Olivia Newton-John's character into
an Australian exchange student as a way to explain
At 5:49 PM + 2/19/07, Ken Moore wrote:
John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So the complaint seems to be not that the songs are '70s songs,
because they can't help being. It's that they supposedly don't
SOUND like '50s songs, and there I'll certainly agree, although
anybody who didn't
There's a lot of historical truth in this, Jef, from what I
understand. I still think Vern has a valid point.
In my experience playing in bars, I've had everything from rapt
attention to outright hostility (when Bill Evans, in financial
desperation, took a job for two weeks playing
On 19-Feb-07, at 1:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Music can cease to be soul food if you are having it fed to
you on IV's 24/7.
Yes, I agree. I have often maintained that overuse of the IV chord
makes everything sound real bland.
8-)
Christopher
(yes it was a joke, but it is also true!
At 01:37 PM 2/19/2007 -0800, Chuck Israels wrote:
In my experience playing in bars, I've had everything from rapt
attention to outright hostility (when Bill Evans, in financial
desperation, took a job for two weeks playing opposite the Clancy
Brothers and Tommy Makem at the Village Vanguard
There's a lot of historical truth in this, Jef, from what I
understand. I still think Vern has a valid point.
sure, not disputed, i agree with the general comments (i have some
jazz friends and have heard - and seen - some of the stories) but
dispute the **nature** of one comment he made.
Music can cease to be soul food if you are having it fed to you on IV's 24/7.
Yes, I agree. I have often maintained that overuse of the IV chord
makes everything sound real bland.
8-)
Christopher
not to mention the utter incompatibility of an implicitly tonal chord
in an implicitly new
On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The whole issue of this incessant ongoing external stimulation
addiction
that has been epidemic in US culture for the past several generations
is
killing all the arts and ultimately depriving the every day average
person
from having any
On Feb 19, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
(example: Copland, _What to Listen For in Music_).
I always thought this to be an excellent book.
Chuck
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Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/
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At 8:55 AM -0800 2/19/07, Mark D Lew wrote:
If filtering
On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:21 AM, John Howell wrote:
Just started watching the movie Marie Antoinette. The
illustration of wallpaper music constantly playing in the
background is quite telling, but the rock parts of the score strike
me as so totally anachronistic that they really turn me off.
John Howell wrote:
At 9:39 PM -1000 2/16/07, Bruce K H Kau wrote:
SPAM comes from SPiced hAM. Much as we make fun of it (here in
Hawai'i, too), it was a godsend for those who, during WWII, didn't
really have any other major source of protein. In Hawai'i, that was
just about everyone. That,
Mark D Lew wrote:
On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:21 AM, John Howell wrote:
Just started watching the movie Marie Antoinette. The illustration
of wallpaper music constantly playing in the background is quite
telling, but the rock parts of the score strike me as so totally
anachronistic that they
Um, all of them?
Cheers,
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On 18 Feb 2007, at 7:14 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Which 70s songs are sung in Grease?
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Darcy James Argue wrote:
Um, all of them?
Cheers,
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On 18 Feb 2007, at 7:14 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Which 70s songs are sung in Grease?
If by that you mean that all the original songs in Grease were written
in the 70s and therefore are 70s songs,
I wrote:
The songs in Grease are all anachronistic -- some more obviously
than others (i.e., the disco beat in the title song), but even in
those songs that are meant to evoke 1950's rock and roll, none of
them would fool anyone who's even passingly familiar with the pop
music of the era
The songs in Grease are all anachronistic -- some more obviously than
others (i.e., the disco beat in the title song), but even in those
songs that are meant to evoke 1950's rock and roll, none of them
would fool anyone who's even passingly familiar with the pop music of
the era into
At 8:07 AM -0500 2/18/07, Darcy James Argue wrote:
The songs in Grease are all anachronistic -- some more obviously
than others (i.e., the disco beat in the title song), but even in
those songs that are meant to evoke 1950's rock and roll, none of
them would fool anyone who's even passingly
On 18 Feb 2007 at 7:06, dhbailey wrote:
Spam as in e-mail or junk mail we don't like is a mere nuisance which
can be worked around easily
While I don't disagree with your characterization of the major
difference that musical spam has with various forms of junk mail, I
definitely disagree
On Feb 18, 2007, at 12:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Unlike email spam, musical spam doesn't have any monetary cost to
the receivers. It's just a psychological cost.
True, but it's a large one, and the ramifications, as you indicate
below, are wide reaching and have a substantial
A friend and I went into a local restaurant. We were the only customers
there and we asked if they would turn down the background music which was so
loud as to make conversation all but impossible.
They turned down the music.until we had ordered our meal, then they
turned it back up
On Feb 18, 2007, at 4:38 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I was under the impression that the complaint had to do with pop
songs not originally written for the musical Grease which were
widely known in the 70s which were included in the musical for
effect, and that no pop songs not originally written
On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:23 AM, John Howell wrote:
Version 1.0 opened in Chicago in 1971. A very revised version
opened off Broadway in February 1972, and moved onto B'way in June
1972, remaining in production for 3,388 performances before closing
in April, 1980. It is being revived as we
Lew wrote:
Some more obviously than others is a huge understatement. The
Bee Gees disco of the title song is horridly anachronistic.
Well, yes, but it's very clearly *supposed* to be that way. The film
*wants* to draw your attention to the anachronism of Frankie Valli
singing over a
On Feb 16, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Bruce K H Kau wrote:
And, just to make a very roundabout attempt to bring this somewhat
back to music/finale, is there any kind of term for musical
spam (other than muzak(tm))? Many's the time I've been mulling
over a tune/arrangement in my head while walking
At 9:39 PM -1000 2/16/07, Bruce K H Kau wrote:
SPAM comes from SPiced hAM. Much as we make fun of it (here in
Hawai'i, too), it was a godsend for those who, during WWII, didn't
really have any other major source of protein. In Hawai'i, that was
just about everyone. That, according to legend,
SPAM comes from SPiced hAM. Much as we make fun of it (here in
Hawai'i, too), it was a godsend for those who, during WWII, didn't
really have any other major source of protein. In Hawai'i, that was just
about everyone. That, according to legend, is where our taste for SPAM
comes from. (Vienna
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