Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink

2009-09-11 Thread Max Horn
Am 11.09.2009 um 00:56 schrieb Jack Howarth: Hi Jack, all Jack, good luck for you, and I hope for both you and the MacPorts folks that you'll get along better with them. Cheers, Max Max, Nice back biting slap on the way out. You just can't help yourself can you? Jack ps Other

Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink

2009-09-11 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/9/10 Jack Howarth howa...@bromo.med.uc.edu: Daniel and Benjamin,     I've been pondering switching my efforts over to MacPorts for awhile now since it is obvious that the X11 Xquartz situation is going to be very problematic for fink in the absence of manpower to maintain a proper set

Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink

2009-09-11 Thread Jack Howarth
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:55:04AM +0200, Max Horn wrote: Am 11.09.2009 um 00:56 schrieb Jack Howarth: Hi Jack, all Jack, good luck for you, and I hope for both you and the MacPorts folks that you'll get along better with them. Cheers, Max Max, Nice back biting slap on the way out.

Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink

2009-09-11 Thread Martin Costabel
Jack Howarth wrote: Daniel and Benjamin, I've been pondering switching my efforts over to MacPorts for awhile now since it is obvious that the X11 Xquartz situation is going to be very problematic for fink in the absence of manpower to maintain a proper set of X11 packages in fink. I

Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread Jack Howarth
Benjamin, Again, my complaint is the berating was always coached in the royal 'we' when there were (as far as can demonstrated publicly) few complaints outside of a troika of developers. If my behavior was so outside of the bounds, why did Dave Morrison never once mention it? For you

[Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread Jack Howarth
A couple more comments before I go. One recent episode that stuck in my craw was the breakage of the unzip 3.0 package on 10.4. I would mention that... 1) I posted the proposed packaging on fink tracking. 2) At least one core maintainer had no objections to the concept of upgrading those. 3) I

Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread David R. Morrison
On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: 2) At least one core maintainer had no objections to the concept of upgrading those. Jack, Perhaps you misread the message in question, but in fact there WAS an objection to the upgrade you proposed, but you went ahead and did it anyway.

[Fink-devel] X11 on Snow Leopard

2009-09-11 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Costabel wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: Daniel and Benjamin, I've been pondering switching my efforts over to MacPorts for awhile now since it is obvious that the X11 Xquartz situation is going to be very problematic for fink in the

Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread Jack Howarth
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:16:55AM -0700, David R. Morrison wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: 2) At least one core maintainer had no objections to the concept of upgrading those. Jack, Perhaps you misread the message in question, but in fact there WAS an

Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread David R. Morrison
The time wasn't wasted. You did many good things here, and you will be missed. -- Dave On Sep 11, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jack Howarth howa...@bromo.med.uc.edu wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:16:55AM -0700, David R. Morrison wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: 2)

Re: [Fink-devel] X11 on Snow Leopard

2009-09-11 Thread David R. Morrison
On Sep 11, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Alexander Hansen alexanderk.han...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Costabel wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: Daniel and Benjamin, I've been pondering switching my efforts over to MacPorts for awhile now since it is

Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread Jack Howarth
David, Not according the obscene email that I just got from one of your Japanese developers. Should have forwarded that one to the list ;) You've got one very disfunctional crew under you. Jack On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:13:43AM -0700, David R. Morrison wrote: The time

Re: [Fink-devel] X11 on Snow Leopard

2009-09-11 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David R. Morrison wrote: So we should concentrate on a future with Apple's SL X11. Let Macports spend their energy on bleeding edge X11 packages. Agreed. We'll have some users that carp about this, of course, but they're free to tweak

Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread Max Horn
Am 11.09.2009 um 18:24 schrieb Jack Howarth: David, Not according the obscene email that I just got from one of your Japanese developers. Should have forwarded that one to the list ;) If people do something like that, it's of course sad. But I am glad you did the right thing and did not

Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread Jack Howarth
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 06:53:58PM +0200, Max Horn wrote: Am 11.09.2009 um 18:24 schrieb Jack Howarth: David, Not according the obscene email that I just got from one of your Japanese developers. Should have forwarded that one to the list ;) If people do something like that, it's of

[Fink-devel] If everyone would just shut up and listen to me ...

2009-09-11 Thread William G. Scott
Dear Fink community: Since my computer skills and diplomatic skills are both quite rudimentary (an assessment based on reality, not modesty), I've been reluctant to say much (apart from accepting the blame for suggesting the latest scipy-core be updated, which I based on some mistaken

Re: [Fink-devel] If everyone would just shut up and listen to me ...

2009-09-11 Thread Benjamin Reed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/11/09 2:13 PM, William G. Scott wrote: I think this is a Good Thing, assuming all fink packages work with the SL X11. We should just assume it is there, and not concern ourselves at all with what gets installed in /opt, or support it.

Re: [Fink-devel] If everyone would just shut up and listen to me ...

2009-09-11 Thread Hanspeter Niederstrasser
Benjamin Reed wrote: Once we have automated builds of any kind, we can start promoting packages from unstable - stable automatically or semi-automatically, because we'll really know how info files and the state of binaries map, and we can solicit and receive feedback on packages from end-users

Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-11 Thread Jack Howarth
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:13:43AM -0700, David R. Morrison wrote: The time wasn't wasted. You did many good things here, and you will be missed. -- Dave Dave, Sorry for the separate replies but I recalled one last thing that will impact everyone here. Ben Elliston (who maintains