This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hmmmgood dentition probably does come from not squeezing the teeth into
too small a space...so that would argue for a form of natural selection.
Not sure what exactly makes for a "pretty head"widely spaced, big
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Question about "natural selection" by humans: I have always noticed that
> the ranch horses in pictures from the old west have hammer heads,
> and...ofte
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Now someone should go into braces for horses with over bites and
> under bites, or has this been done already. LOL
Don't know about braces, but I heard something interesting from a
friend
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Jean Ernest wrote:
> This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >>Yes I have heard of the mouth problems way back when they were 1st
> >>becoming popular. Maybe something with the breeding down the size.
> >
> >Carol, can
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Karen McCarthy wrote:
> This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Karen, she is talking about the Miniature horses, not fjords! Jean in
> >Fairbanks, Alaska, another mild day
>
> Geez, like DUH!! Sorry Carol!
> oh,
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Marsha Jo Hannah wrote:
> This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Now someone should go into braces for horses with over bites and
> > under bites, or has this b
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yes I have heard of the mouth problems way back when they were 1st
becoming popular. Maybe something with the breeding down the size.
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin
Carol, can you please expand on t
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Yes I have heard of the mouth problems way back when they were 1st
>>becoming popular. Maybe something with the breeding down the size.
>
>Carol, can you please expand on this last sentence? I don't quite
>understand. (Population size, hei
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Karen, she is talking about the Miniature horses, not fjords! Jean in
Fairbanks, Alaska, another mild day
Geez, like DUH!! Sorry Carol!
oh, no - lets not go there: mini horses BIG conf.problems
Karen
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> Now someone should go into braces for horses with over
> bites and
> under bites, or has this been done already. LOL
--
> "Built FJORD tough"
> Carol M.
> On Golden Pond
> Northern Wisconsin
>
Carol,
Correcting dental alignment problems is done all t
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Jean Ernest wrote:
> This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I don't think that overbite IS common in Fjords, but it does occur. I
> think maybe an underbite might be more common, altho not that common
> either. I kno
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I don't think that overbite IS common in Fjords, but it does occur. I
think maybe an underbite might be more common, altho not that common
either. I know a couple who have a SLIGHT underbite.
I think it is worthwile to check both mare and st
This message is from: "Janne Myrdal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Carol, absolutely a discussion to bring up. I did NOT know that overbite
was common in Fjords. Anyone have any scientific # on thisOverbite,
parrotmouth etc. is hereditary and is a weakness right?? What would be the
con's in ha
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 06:55 PM 1/24/01 +, you wrote:
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All you need the vet to do is some minimal exam work - file the paperwork,
and thats it. (I wouldn't think a fee would be necess
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At 01:16 PM 1/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
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NOT REQUIRED? NOT REQUIRED? . . . I'm astounded, and so damn glad this
came up. I had no idea. And I wonder how many others thou
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Carol Rivoire wrote:
the next best, and only responsible action is to
require all breeding stallions to have their teeth and testicles >examined
by a vet, and the certificate on file with the NFHR.
If it's a good idea for Evaluated s
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Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -
Trying to offer positive suggestions on ways to maintain the strength and
purity of North American Fjordhorses, I suggeted the NFHR require a semen
analysis on Fjord breeding st
This message is from: "Janne Myrdal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Just wanted to throw a couple of comments into a great discussion.
Firstly, thanks to Carol for bringing up the subject, a subject that
certainly warrants attention. From growing up around horses in Norway, tho
no expert on fjords, you
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 02:50 PM 1/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
Why not require semen analysis of all breeding stallions. These reports
would be on file with the NFHR and the information available to interested
parties; ie, mare owners. -- This is n
ics that
are important to serious Fjord breeders.
The point of my original posting called "Natural Selection of Stallions"
was to pass on something told to me by Chief Inspector Van Bon in Holland,
something I consider important.
--- In Holland, they've noticed that Fjord breeding
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Hello Listers, and CAROL,
Honest to goodness Carol, ONLY someone with either a lot of time or money (or
both) can come up with the ideas you do!!! LOL
Yes, yes, this is an EXPENSIVE idea! WE are in not in Holland, where
distances are 'relatively' sh
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In a message dated 1/20/01 10:09:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Further to my earlier message on this subject, I wanted to clarify that I
think it is a good idea, but like someone mentioned, it would be
extraordinarily expensiv
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In a message dated 1/20/01 10:26:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Besides, I don't think that some of those riders they use in the 100 Day
Testings would be overjoyed to be assigned a [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>
LOL Karen! Very good po
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In a message dated 1/20/01 11:45:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Certainly you have only to look at any horse catalog to see the most
amazing assortment of supplements, blankets, pads, special shoes, etc., to
realize that there
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At 07:20 PM 1/20/01 -0400, you wrote:
Karen questioned why mares don't go through the same process. The reason
is that ideally it's the stallions who have the most influence on a breed,
seeing that mares have one foal a year,
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Carol--
Saturday, January 20, 2001, you wrote:
> That's a lot of money, I know, but wouldn't it be worth it for a
> good stallion? A stallion that can earn $1,000 stud fee? A stallion
> that, as an Approved Stallion having done the 100 Days
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In a message dated 1/20/01 5:42:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> . Does this mean that the Fjord horse would then ONLY be available
> to VERY RICH people? Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I think
> there's a lot more average famil
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> The
> article was refering to racing horses in particular and the author
> felt
> that horses were weaker today due to undue "babying".
> Jane
I'll agree to that. That's one reason it's been so long since we've had
a triple crown winner. I even heard
mortgage our homes to buy a Fjord
or end up buying some other breed. And that would be a shame
Judy-Original Message-
From: Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Saturday, January 20, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Natural Selection of Stal
el that there's got to be a solution that's to
everyone's advantage, and mostly to the advantage of the Fjord. Judy
-Original Message-
From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Saturday, January 20, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Natu
t used for breeding.
Van Bon called that "Natural Selection of Stallions". I asked him that IF
FJORDS WERE SPORT HORSES, wouldn't that (the rigors of training and
competiton) be an equally good method of slecting stallions and maintaining
these qualities of strength in the breed?
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As regards the "toughness" missing in today's horse that Carol
mentioned, I
do worry about this. And this is not just a problem with fjordhorses,
but
almost every horse on the face of the earth, 100 Day Tested or not.
Interesting ar
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that's marvelous idea, Carol. Of course most folks will reject it
because they don't want to go through the trouble or their stallions
wouldn't make it.
Brigid,
Please do a little more research on t
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> << What do you think? >>
>
> I think that's marvelous idea, Carol. Of course most folks will reject it
> because they don't want to go through the trouble or their stallions wouldn't
> make it.
Further to my ea
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In a message dated 1/19/01 12:57:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< What do you think? >>
I think that's marvelous idea, Carol. Of course most folks will reject it
because they don't want to go through the trouble or their stalli
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In a message dated 1/19/01 10:29:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Time to make up a new bumper sticker: KEEP THE FJORDHORSE WORKING!
> (I am sure someone out there can be inspired to a better way of saying
> this!)
>
I'll tell y
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I think the best way (at this stage) to develop the Fjordhorse for >sport
is not through 'push' (ie requiring a 100 day test etc) but >through 'pull'
... get out there and develop your Fjord's abilities... >this will result
in a mar
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Arthur Rivoire wrote:
> Maybe it's time for the Evaluation Committee and the NFHR to seriously
> discuss 100 Day Testing for Fjord stallions, and requiring them to perform
> in sporting events such as dressage, cutting, combined driving.
peared, and Bob answered - "Because there is NO MORE NATURAL
SELECTION". And then he went on to explain. . . .
He said that in the old days, throughout the history of the Fjord in
Norway, the stallions had been PROVEN THROUGH WORK. Those stallions worked
for the mountain farmers
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