Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: Airspeeds?

2002-04-18 Thread John Wojnaroski
Hi, > The FDM interface treats CAS and IAS identically -- the calibration > error, as you point out, is poorly defined and will vary between > installations. All FDMs simply report a single "calibrated airspeed" > value; if other code wants to model the vagaries of a given ASI, then > it's welco

Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-18 Thread Jonathan Polley
On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 09:19 PM, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Anyone up for a 0.7.10 release sometime soon? Oh, oh, ME! I will need to beat on my interface between our (at work) proprietary FDM and FlightGear's display first. I've let it languish since the 0.7.9 release, anything I sho

re: [Flightgear-devel] Panel not updating

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > Curtis L. Olson writes: > > > I'm flying the stock JSBSim C310 ... Linux debian, nvidia card, > > gcc-2.95.4, compiled with threaded scenery paging enabled, yadda, > > yadda ... Am I just suffering from heat stroke now that we had an 80 > > degree day after a long M

Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-18 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis L. Olson) [2002.04.19 21:24]: > Anyone up for a 0.7.10 release sometime soon? If anyone wants a real > time wasting discussion, what do people think about switching from > 0.7.10, 0.7.11, 0.7.12, etc. to going 0.8, 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, > that way it looks like our

Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: > "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Anyone up for a 0.7.10 release sometime soon? If anyone wants a real > > time wasting discussion, what do people think about switching from > > 0.7.10, 0.7.11, 0.7.12, etc. to going 0.8, 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, > > that w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-18 Thread Jim Wilson
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Anyone up for a 0.7.10 release sometime soon? If anyone wants a real > time wasting discussion, what do people think about switching from > 0.7.10, 0.7.11, 0.7.12, etc. to going 0.8, 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, > that way it looks like our developmen

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Warning in GUI/sgVec3Slider.cxx

2002-04-18 Thread Jim Wilson
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I agree that has to be a typo, I'll change it to "=". > > Curt. > > > Jonathan Polley writes: > > Just did a CVS update and rebuild. There is a warning in sgVec3Slider.css > > (line 579) that should probably be fixed: > > > > if (fabs(y) <

[Flightgear-devel] latest cvs changes

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
A fair amount has changed in cvs today. If you are tracking cvs, make sure you update both your FlightGear cvs tree and your base package cvs tree ... otherwise you will have problems. The view manager code is really shaping up, David made some nice changes to the C172 3d model, I fixed a crash

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Warning in GUI/sgVec3Slider.cxx

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I agree that has to be a typo, I'll change it to "=". Curt. Jonathan Polley writes: > Just did a CVS update and rebuild. There is a warning in sgVec3Slider.css > (line 579) that should probably be fixed: > > if (fabs(y) < 0.001f) >y == 0.001f; > > > should probably be > >

[Flightgear-devel] New Warning in GUI/sgVec3Slider.cxx

2002-04-18 Thread Jonathan Polley
Just did a CVS update and rebuild. There is a warning in sgVec3Slider.css (line 579) that should probably be fixed: if (fabs(y) < 0.001f) y == 0.001f; should probably be if (fabs(y) < 0.001f) y = 0.001f; Jonathan Polley _

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: Airspeeds?

2002-04-18 Thread Andy Ross
John Wojnaroski wrote: > Indicated Airspeed (IAS) > Calibrated Airspeed (CAS) > Next comes Equivalent Airspeed (EAS) > Finally TAS > > Bottom line question for the FDM' rs: Would you take a few moments > to comment/explain how your models handle the various airspeeds. The FDM interface tre

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Julian Foad writes: > configure.in includes a fix to make it work with both versions of > the auto-tools: > > if OLD_AUTOMAKE > INCLUDES += -I$(top_srcdir) > else > INCLUDES = -I$(top_srcdir) > endif > > But > (1) If "=" is good enough in the new version, isn't it good enough > in both versions

[Flightgear-devel] Fw: Airspeeds?

2002-04-18 Thread John Wojnaroski
- Original Message - From: John Wojnaroski To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: Airspeeds? Hi, On the subject of airspeeds: Indicated Airspeed (IAS) is calculated based on the difference between stagnation pressure in the pitot tube and the static pres

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Julian Foad writes: > This is what you get if the wrong version of automake/autoconf is used. >Unfortunately the old and new versions are not compatible. SimGear needs the old >version. The automake/autoconf supplied with CygWin automatically detects which >version to use, and it might be po

re: [Flightgear-devel] Installing only changed header files

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
This is off the top of my head with a healthy mix of speculation. But, I believe you can override the 'install' command in the Makefiles. Often it is just "cp" or the is often an actual "install" program or similar "install.sh" script. This means that in theory, you ought to be able to write a s

re: [Flightgear-devel] Installing only changed header files

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Julian Foad writes: > Doesn't everyone have the same problem that I have: that after > re-building plib and/or SimGear, even after a one-file change, the > "make install" copies all of the header files to the install > directory, putting the current date stamp on them, even though they > hav

[Flightgear-devel] Installing only changed header files

2002-04-18 Thread Julian Foad
Doesn't everyone have the same problem that I have: that after re-building plib and/or SimGear, even after a one-file change, the "make install" copies all of the header files to the install directory, putting the current date stamp on them, even though they have not changed. This causes almos

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-18 Thread Julian Foad
configure.in includes a fix to make it work with both versions of the auto-tools: if OLD_AUTOMAKE INCLUDES += -I$(top_srcdir) else INCLUDES = -I$(top_srcdir) endif But (1) If "=" is good enough in the new version, isn't it good enough in both versions? (Not necessarily: maybe the meaning has c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-18 Thread Julian Foad
This is what you get if the wrong version of automake/autoconf is used. Unfortunately the old and new versions are not compatible. SimGear needs the old version. The automake/autoconf supplied with CygWin automatically detects which version to use, and it might be possible to get these auto-

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Panel not updating

2002-04-18 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: > 1. They're hard to use from inside the 3D cockpit, at least until Andy >gets mouse clicks working on his wrap-around panel; and I'm still here, I promise! Hopefully I'll have a good whole day this weekend to devote to flight gear stuff. For those interested in exc

re: [Flightgear-devel] Panel not updating

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > I'm flying the stock JSBSim C310 ... Linux debian, nvidia card, > gcc-2.95.4, compiled with threaded scenery paging enabled, yadda, > yadda ... Am I just suffering from heat stroke now that we had an 80 > degree day after a long MN winter? Has anyone else seen this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Panel not updating

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Update, after flying a while longer, the panel has now suddenly started updating again. This is definitely something transient that goes and comes. Curtis L. Olson writes: > I've seen this problem before (or something very similar) and I'm not > sure what to make of it, and I'm not sure how to

[Flightgear-devel] Panel not updating

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I've seen this problem before (or something very similar) and I'm not sure what to make of it, and I'm not sure how to reproduce it, other than to go for a really long flight. Starting out my flight everything worked great, but I've been airborn for about 2 hours now. I went away for a while and

[Flightgear-devel] Realy strange

2002-04-18 Thread Alexander Kappes
I recently upgraded from SuSE 7.2 to 8.0 and since then I get strange error messages when I try to run autogen for SimGear (and also FlightGear): --- Host info: Linux i686 automake: 1.5 (15) Running aclocal Running autoheader

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 'Problems' in yesterday CVS

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Jon Berndt writes: > > JSBSim isn't reporting the flap position -- it's a JSBSim-specific bug > > (you should still see the flaps move with YASim). > > Bug? This would surprise me as the aero effects are there. Could be that > we just haven't gotten around to providing a property for it for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Frederic Bouvier writes: > > What do you mean, exactly, by a "cutting" disk? > > We can see the interior of the c172 when viewing the front of the > plane in the external view Right -- I forgot to edit the ac file. I'll check in the fix right now. All the best, David -- David Megginso

[Flightgear-devel] FGFS native I/Oprotocol

2002-04-18 Thread sergioroth
Does anybody knows where can I find some information on how "native" fgfs I/O protocol works ? Is it possible to use PIPE against SOCKET in sharing data with other process ? Thanks. Sergio Roth ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] htt

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 'Problems' in yesterday CVS

2002-04-18 Thread Jon Berndt
> > 3. Flaps in c172JSBsim still doesn't animate. > > JSBSim isn't reporting the flap position -- it's a JSBSim-specific bug > (you should still see the flaps move with YASim). Bug? This would surprise me as the aero effects are there. Could be that we just haven't gotten around to providing a p

re: [Flightgear-devel] 'Problems' in yesterday CVS

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > Martin Dressler writes: > Click the left mouse button once before you leave view mode. This > isn't really a problem with the 3D cockpit (which will likely be the > default as soon as we can make the instruments clickable), since it's > easy to see where you are looking.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread Frederic Bouvier
From: "David Megginson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Frederic Bouvier writes: > > > You forgot to correct your model to avoid the "cutting" propeller disc ! > > What do you mean, exactly, by a "cutting" disk? > > We can see the interior of the c172 when viewing the front of the plane in the external vie

re: [Flightgear-devel] 'Problems' in yesterday CVS

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Martin Dressler writes: > 1. Autopilot in Heading hold mode hold heading some degrees of the > red marker. Yes, it's been bad for a while and needs looking into. > 2. When you switch your mouse from view mode it doesn't centre view > and it is realy hard to find your panel again. Click the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Frederic Bouvier writes: > You forgot to correct your model to avoid the "cutting" propeller disc ! What do you mean, exactly, by a "cutting" disk? All the best, David -- David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMA

[Flightgear-devel] 'Problems' in yesterday CVS

2002-04-18 Thread Martin Dressler
1. Autopilot in Heading hold mode hold heading some degrees of the red marker. 2. When you switch your mouse from view mode it doesn't centre view and it is realy hard to find your panel again. 3. Flaps in c172JSBsim still doesn't animate. 4. I get different airspeed on panel and HUD (126 kt /

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread Frederic Bouvier
From: "David Megginson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > magnification, it was obvious what had happened. A new checkin is on > the way. You forgot to correct your model to avoid the "cutting" propeller disc ! -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PR

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread Martin Dressler
On Thu 18. April 2002 13:17, you wrote: > > Yes, I think the tach probably should only read 100-200 rpm while the > > engine is cranking, before it catches. Maybe Alex (or David) could > > watch this on their next flight? > > On the C172s I've used, the prop starts about as fast as a car engin

re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: > > Yes, that needs to be fixed, but I'm still trying to understand it > > (even my own preflight inspections of a real C172 prop aren't helping > > me yet). > > > If you look down at the propeller in the model from above (with the > nose appearing pointed up on the scre

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread Jon Berndt
> I agree that this was how it was originally coded, but something has > changed in the last week or so and the propellor definitely spins an > order of magnitude slower than reported rpm. Did someone get rps and rpm mixed up?? ;-) smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > > Yes, the propellor spins way to slowly compared to engine rpm. This > > might be intentional so that it maintains 'smooth' animation. But, it > > is maybe just a little noticably too slow ... > > Actually, the propeller spins at *exactly* the reported RPM. The >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread Frederic Bouvier
To say it with other words, you made the blade flat and rotated along its main axis, while it should be twisted like an helix. When it rotates, the two front edge should catch the air to put it to the back of the plane. -Fred - Original Message - From: "Jim Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To

re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > The two blades are not twisted relative to each other: one blade is > > pushing and the other pulling. > > Yes, that needs to be fixed, but I'm still trying to understand it > (even my own preflight inspections of a real C172 prop aren't helping >

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread Richard Bytheway
> On the C172s I've used, the prop starts about as fast as a car engine, > i.e. in well under a second. It would be hard to get a tach reading, > but I'll try to remember. Would you get the same cranking speed if you cranked the engine with the magnetos off? It would certainly stop the engine s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > Yes, I think the tach probably should only read 100-200 rpm while the > engine is cranking, before it catches. Maybe Alex (or David) could > watch this on their next flight? On the C172s I've used, the prop starts about as fast as a car engine, i.e. in well under a

re: [Flightgear-devel] Propellor graphics

2002-04-18 Thread David Megginson
Julian Foad writes: > It spins even when the model is parked and the engine stopped. If > pause mode is on, it spins more slowly but still does not stop. This was fixed in JSBSim a week or so ago -- unless something else has undone the change, try updating to the newest FlightGear CVS. The m