[Flightgear-devel] DAFIFT navids

2003-02-20 Thread James Turner
Sorry to muck people (esp David, by the sound of it) around, but I have 'live' DAFIFT importing working in my local tree (for about 3 weeks now), I've just been holding off submitting while I did more testing. I've had to extend the Nav types and APIs slightly, to cope with multiple fixes / int

[Flightgear-devel] models under gnu/gpl

2003-02-20 Thread paul
Michael Ok thanks, I have been using the one form wolframs page, but was wondering about the gpl deal. Also thanks for the links, I think a t38 model is in the works at flight gear, as well as f16. Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [Flightgear-devel] models under gnu/gpl

2003-02-20 Thread Michael Selig
At 2/21/03, Paul D. wrote: Michael I was interested in finding one for the twin-otter, just curious how you went about finding these? A Twin Otter model is here: http://home.t-online.de/home/Wolfram.Kuss/FGFS1/FGFS1.htm This is the one we use w/ our icing work. To find potential GNU GPL models

[Flightgear-devel] models under gnu/gpl

2003-02-20 Thread paul
Michael I was interested in finding one for the twin-otter, just curious how you went about finding these? Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] many external models w/ GNU GPL permission

2003-02-20 Thread Michael Selig
In the last few months, several people have given FlightGear permission to use their external models under the GNU GPL (i.e. they can ultimately be included w/ the fgfs base package). For those interested, I've collected these and posted them here: http://www.aae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/apasim/fgfs-mo

[Flightgear-devel] Two recent papers (Aug 2002 and Jan 2003)

2003-02-20 Thread Michael Selig
As some people know, we're using FlightGear in our Smart Icing System research. Two recent papers (Aug 2002 and Jan 2003) on the subject have been posted here: http://www.aae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/apasim.html Regards, Michael ** Prof. Michael S. Selig

[Flightgear-devel] OT - the physics of the jiggle

2003-02-20 Thread David Culp
This could have application to aeroelastic effects? http://www.gamespy.com/fargo/january02/jiggle/ Dave Culp ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > Different intersections and fixes server different purposes: the ones > around KSFO are probably parts of various instrument approaches, and > we would need most or all of them to simulate ATC or an > approach-certified GPS. Just around Ottawa TCA, we have quite a few > i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > Sure -- I just dumped them there for now. Someone suggested earlier > that we should modify FlightGear to read the DAFIFT format directly, > and I think that's a good idea; at that point, the scripts would be > obsolete. I think this is a great idea ... that makes it eas

[Flightgear-devel] Modesto Two Arrival

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
Here's a STAR into KSFO from the west, with lots of waypoints for anyone who'd like to try out the new options and the new fix database: http://edj.net/cgi-bin/echoplate.pl/echoplate.pl?Arrivals/MODESTO%20TWO.GIF All of the five-letter names like "FAITH" and "GROAN" represent waypoints that you

[Flightgear-devel] New options and new behaviour

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
I've added four new command-line options to FlightGear: --vor=ID --ndb=ID --fix=ID --turbulence=NORM The first three allow you to choose a reference point other than a lat/lon or an airport for setting your starting position. For example, to start 40 miles from the ART VOR on a heading o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > I should also say this really cool to be able to incorporate this data > directly. In terms of fixes though 72000 is an insane amount. For > anyone wanting to actaully draw these on a map, there is going to have > to be some sort of data reduction strategy. Does th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > In the spirit of keeping code separate from data, would it make sense > to put the scripts somewhere in the source tree? Maybe scripts/ or > src/Navaids/? Sure -- I just dumped them there for now. Someone suggested earlier that we should modify FlightGear to read th

re: [Flightgear-devel] airspeed and headwind

2003-02-20 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 06:34, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Tony Peden writes: > > Huh!?! Except at high power settings and low speed in a twin, > > engine failure should not cause a big upset. Even then, if you're > > fairly quick to get on the rudder, it's generally very controllable > > (or should b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > David, > > In the spirit of keeping code separate from data, would it make sense > to put the scripts somewhere in the source tree? Maybe scripts/ or > src/Navaids/? I should also say this really cool to be able to incorporate this data directly. In terms of fixes thou

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David, In the spirit of keeping code separate from data, would it make sense to put the scripts somewhere in the source tree? Maybe scripts/ or src/Navaids/? Curt. David Megginson writes: > I'm currently checking new files Navaids/default.nav.gz and > Navaids/default.fix.gz into the base packa

[Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
I'm currently checking new files Navaids/default.nav.gz and Navaids/default.fix.gz into the base package. These are generated directly from DAFIF files (I've checked in my Perl scripts as well), so they will be easy to keep up to date. The navaids file is a moderate improvement, adding a couple o

re: [Flightgear-devel] airspeed and headwind

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: > Keep in mind I don't know how to fly, so get out your grains of salt :-) > > It seems to me I read somewhere that if you have any altitude at all (>1000ft) > the thing to do is move all the levers up to full throttle. Cut the throttle > on the engine you think is out, becaus

re: [Flightgear-devel] airspeed and headwind

2003-02-20 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > It's not mainly torque effects but the yawing moment that you have to > worry about. Unless the plane is a centreline thrust, the good engine > will be off to one side pulling that side forward and starting a > yaw-induced roll (and if the bad one is no

[Flightgear-devel] Re: More on CVS

2003-02-20 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Richard Bytheway -- Thursday 20 February 2003 16:13: > Once it has created the CVS directory in the root of the local copy, > you can use the regular update command "cvs -z3 up -dP" to carry on > getting more. You do not really use "cvs -z3 up -dP" every time, do you? cvs has a configuration fil

re: [Flightgear-devel] airspeed and headwind

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: If things turn u > [1] Blue line is the speed below which the rudder cannot overcome > the torque effects of a single engine and you can no longer have > directional control. I think that blue line is a bit higher than Vmc -- it's a speed where a typical pilot (rather

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re : More on CVS

2003-02-20 Thread Richard Bytheway
> From: Danie Heath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 20 February 2003 2:26 pm > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Re : More on CVS > > > Hi all, > > I have some more questions on CVS. If I have the version 0.9.0 base > package, and I run : > > cvs -z3 -d :pserver:[EMAIL PRO

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Seahawk does have textures, A-10 does not, I did see (a white) A-10 in the past ... Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott writes: > "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Question, if you hack up the FG code to yank out all joystick support, > > can you then get to the end and get a working FG build? > > I'll try my best as time permits. I spent quite a couple of hours compiling > and testin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models

2003-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was wondering, do any of you (using the latest plib CVS version) still > see the A-10 aircraft model? Yes, I do - but only on Linux. On IRIX I never saw any aircraft designed by Lee Elliot, neither TSR.2, A-10 not B-52 or Seahawk. > At first I tought t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question, if you hack up the FG code to yank out all joystick support, > can you then get to the end and get a working FG build? I'll try my best as time permits. I spent quite a couple of hours compiling and testing FlightGear, DRI, FreeTDS and othe

[Flightgear-devel] 3D models

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Hi, I was wondering, do any of you (using the latest plib CVS version) still see the A-10 aircraft model? At first I tought this was a problem with the 3ds loader, but as it happens, I can see the seahawk (which is also a 3ds model) model without any problem? Erik

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re : More on CVS

2003-02-20 Thread Michael Basler
Danie, > it seems it downloads the whole base package through CVS. Is there a way > I can update only the files that have changed or are new to the > repository. Or will it by default download the whole base package the This works the same way as described here for the code repository http://w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin, Our assumption has been that plib supports joysticks on every platform, or hides the fact that it doesn't from the calling application. Apparently neither is the case, at least for solaris. :-( Question, if you hack up the FG code to yank out all joystick support, can you then get to the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re : More on CVS

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Danie Heath wrote: Hi all, I have some more questions on CVS. If I have the version 0.9.0 base package, and I run : cvs -z3 -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/cvsroot co fgfsbase it seems it downloads the whole base package through CVS. Is there a way I can update only the files that have ch

re: [Flightgear-devel] airspeed and headwind

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Tony Peden writes: > Huh!?! Except at high power settings and low speed in a twin, > engine failure should not cause a big upset. Even then, if you're > fairly quick to get on the rudder, it's generally very controllable > (or should be, anyway...) A friend of mine has a Frasca sim (cockpit encl

[Flightgear-devel] Re : More on CVS

2003-02-20 Thread Danie Heath
Hi all, I have some more questions on CVS. If I have the version 0.9.0 base package, and I run : cvs -z3 -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/cvsroot co fgfsbase it seems it downloads the whole base package through CVS. Is there a way I can update only the files that have changed or are new to

[Flightgear-devel] Re : More on CVS

2003-02-20 Thread Danie Heath
Hi all, I have some more questions on CVS. If I have the version 0.9.0 base package, and I run : cvs -z3 -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/cvsroot co fgfsbase it seems it downloads the whole base package through CVS. Is there a way I can update only the files that have changed or are new to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Somehow your compiler identifies itself as being a BSD platform. Instead it should support the SOLARIS definition. I think it's a different issue. Taken from current 'README': PORTABILITY and DEPENDANCIES: [...] JS -- Currently Linux/Windows/BSD only. from the README in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
> Somehow your compiler identifies itself as being a BSD platform. Instead > it should support the SOLARIS definition. I think it's a different issue. Taken from current 'README': PORTABILITY and DEPENDANCIES: [...] JS -- Currently Linux/Windows/BSD only. plib-1.4.2 detects the presence of a

re: [Flightgear-devel] airspeed and headwind

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > I guess I don't really know now that I think about it, but I always > thought of windshear more as a singular event as you pass from one > layer of wind to another rather than continuous high turbulence. > If I'm wrong just ignore the rest of this. Wind shear is any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: This should be fixed in the CVS version of plib. I've added a jsNone.cxx file with empty functions for IRIX, Solaris and HP-UX. I tried yesterday without success: /usr/local/src/plib/src/js ~> g++ [...] -c -o js.o js.cxx In file included from js.cxx:23: js.h:40:32: machine

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
> This should be fixed in the CVS version of plib. I've added a jsNone.cxx > file with empty functions for IRIX, Solaris and HP-UX. I tried yesterday without success: /usr/local/src/plib/src/js ~> g++ [...] -c -o js.o js.cxx In file included from js.cxx:23: js.h:40:32: machine/joystick.h: No s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear and lighting

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: BTW, could you try this patch? You know I'll try _every_ patch you want me to do so ;-) Unfortunately this one does not do the trick, Okay, I'm pretty sure now it's OpenGL shininess related, but I can't think of a reason why. :-( Erik _

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear and lighting

2003-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
> BTW, could you try this patch? You know I'll try _every_ patch you want me to do so ;-) Unfortunately this one does not do the trick, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS how-to

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Danie Heath wrote: Hi guys ... I've actually got some free time to contribute ... is there a tutorial on CVS anywhere I have basically no knowledge about it ..(*blush* been coding for years without CVS) This might be a good start: https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=140

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Hello, at least since 1.6.0 release (or earlier) PLIB appears not to build joystick support on Solaris (not on the two machines I use to compile miscallaneous stuff on). But FlightGear does not build with a PLIB without joystick support: Do you tend to wait until PLIB has j

[Flightgear-devel] CVS how-to

2003-02-20 Thread Danie Heath
Title: Message Hi guys ...   I've actually got some free time to contribute ...  is there a tutorial on CVS anywhere I have basically no knowledge about it ..(*blush* been coding for years without CVS)   Kind Regards   Danie Heath Software Integrator RisC Com cc +27 12 654 5100 083 412

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear without Joystick

2003-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
Hello, at least since 1.6.0 release (or earlier) PLIB appears not to build joystick support on Solaris (not on the two machines I use to compile miscallaneous stuff on). But FlightGear does not build with a PLIB without joystick support: /usr/local/src/FlightGear/src/Cockpit/built_in ~> g++ [...]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear and lighting

2003-02-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:46:49PM +0100, Felix Kühling wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:06:33 +0100 Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just found out by accident how to get correct lightning in FlightGear with current DRI drivers _and_ HW-TCL: Just look straight out