[Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
It looks like Python's days are numbered; I just read on Slashdot about a programming language that uses *only* whitespace: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ I expect that most current Python programmers will have switched over by the end of the year. Any die-hard fanatics left over will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: It looks like Python's days are numbered; I just read on Slashdot about a programming language that uses *only* whitespace: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ Knowing the python developer base a little, I think they might have implemented this in a couple of hours

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Jonathan Polley
I am waiting for the programming language for amateur radio operators, Morse. There is nothing like programming in dots and dashes! On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 06:11 AM, David Megginson wrote: It looks like Python's days are numbered; I just read on Slashdot about a programming language

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:39:22 +0200, Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Megginson wrote: It looks like Python's days are numbered; I just read on Slashdot about a programming language that uses *only* whitespace:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Gene Buckle
I am waiting for the programming language for amateur radio operators, Morse. There is nothing like programming in dots and dashes! . -.-- --..-- - .- - .. ... -. .. -.-. . .-.-.- g. (kc7afe) On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 06:11 AM, David Megginson wrote: It looks like

[Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Now that we're rearranging the /controls/ subtree, it might be a good time to clean up the naming. 1. Consistency -- Most of the property names use lower case and hyphens ('-') as word separators. I suggest that we fix the following to be consistent: /controls/flight/BLC

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Now that we're rearranging the /controls/ subtree, it might be a good time to clean up the naming. I am all for (property naming) consistency and I am for selecting the tree layout now, and stick with it from now on. There are a few property names I wouldn't have chosen,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:12:36 -0600, Jonathan Polley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 06:11 AM, David Megginson wrote: It looks like Python's days are numbered; I just read on Slashdot about a programming language that uses *only*

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Jonathan Polley writes: I am waiting for the programming language for amateur radio operators, Morse. There is nothing like programming in dots and dashes! .. -.. --- -. - --. . - .. - All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

[Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
I am very happy that we are reorganizing the mess under /controls, but unfortunately, we've landed in a bit of a deeper mess that will need some fixing. The changes just committed for the base package are extremely incomplete: many of the YASim flight models under Aircraft-yasim/ and many of the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Richard Bytheway
You could conceivably write any language in Morse, you just need to run a .- to ASCII converter over the source before the compiler. I suppose it would be called -.2a Richard -Original Message- From: Jonathan Polley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 April 2003 2:13 pm To: [EMAIL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
For me, FlightGear just dies with the message FlightGear aborted for JSBSim models or simply Aborted for yasim models. :-( I'm totally dead in the water here. This needs to get resolved quickly. Curt. David Megginson writes: I am very happy that we are reorganizing the mess under /controls,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Now that we're rearranging the /controls/ subtree, it might be a good time to clean up the naming. 1. Consistency -- Most of the property names use lower case and hyphens ('-') as word separators. I suggest that we fix the following to be consistent:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: It looks like Python's days are numbered; I just read on Slashdot about a programming language that uses *only* whitespace: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ I expect that most current Python programmers will have switched over by the end of the year. Any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Unfortunatelly my ISP decided it would be funny to shut down my internet connection just after I uploaded the new files today. I presume you started to hunt them down already? I've been digging through a number of files as well, and think we should continue now. BAcking

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Gene Buckle
I am waiting for the programming language for amateur radio operators, Morse. There is nothing like programming in dots and dashes! .. -.. --- -. - --. . - .. - uet? Eh? ITYM, --. ... . HTH, HAND! g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Gene Buckle
Boy, talk about the ultimate in obfuscated C programming... On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Richard Bytheway wrote: You could conceivably write any language in Morse, you just need to run a .- to ASCII converter over the source before the compiler. I suppose it would be called -.2a Richard

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: For me, FlightGear just dies with the message FlightGear aborted for JSBSim models or simply Aborted for yasim models. :-( I'm totally dead in the water here. This needs to get resolved quickly. The lates CVS version of the base package and FlightGear *and* a complete

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:00:30 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: For me, FlightGear just dies with the message FlightGear aborted for JSBSim models or simply Aborted for yasim models. :-( I'm totally dead in the water here. This needs to get resolved quickly. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am very happy that we are reorganizing the mess under /controls, but unfortunately, we've landed in a bit of a deeper mess that will need some fixing. The changes just committed for the base package are extremely incomplete: many of the YASim flight

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Jon S Berndt wrote: On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:00:30 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: For me, FlightGear just dies with the message FlightGear aborted for JSBSim models or simply Aborted for yasim models. :-( I'm totally dead in the water here. This needs to get

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am very happy that we are reorganizing the mess under /controls, but unfortunately, we've landed in a bit of a deeper mess that will need some fixing. The changes just committed for the base package are extremely incomplete: many of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Erik Hofman writes: Jon S Berndt wrote: On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:00:30 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: For me, FlightGear just dies with the message FlightGear aborted for JSBSim models or simply Aborted for yasim models. :-( I'm totally dead in

[Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
How do I reenable debugging output? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: There are a few property names I wouldn't have chosen, but I think it would be of the greatest importance to pick one, and get over it ;-) Thanks for reminding me -- the propeller-pitch property is misnamed, and we should try to think of something more descriptive (it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: For me, FlightGear just dies with the message FlightGear aborted for JSBSim models or simply Aborted for yasim models. :-( I'm totally dead in the water here. This needs to get resolved quickly. Through the magic of Emacs and etags, I was able to replace

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Curtis L. Olson writes: For me, FlightGear just dies with the message FlightGear aborted for JSBSim models or simply Aborted for yasim models. :-( I'm totally dead in the water here. This needs to get resolved quickly. Through the magic of Emacs and

RE: [Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: How do I reenable debugging output? maybe main.cxx static bool fgMainInit( int argc, char **argv ) { // set default log levels sglog().setLogLevels( SG_ALL, SG_INFO ); ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Thanks for reminding me -- the propeller-pitch property is misnamed, and we should try to think of something more descriptive (it directly controls propeller speed, not pitch). Not that we don't want a new name but aren't these two (pitch, propellor speed) the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread Luke Scharf
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 13:28, Norman Vine wrote: David Megginson writes: Thanks for reminding me -- the propeller-pitch property is misnamed, and we should try to think of something more descriptive (it directly controls propeller speed, not pitch). Not that we don't want a new name

Re: [Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Norman Vine wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: How do I reenable debugging output? maybe main.cxx static bool fgMainInit( int argc, char **argv ) { // set default log levels sglog().setLogLevels( SG_ALL, SG_INFO ); That was one of the things in the back of my head which needed to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim Wilson wrote: David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am very happy that we are reorganizing the mess under /controls, but unfortunately, we've landed in a bit of a deeper mess that will need some fixing. The changes just committed for the base

[Flightgear-devel] camera.hpp

2003-04-01 Thread Howell Caton
Greetings! I'm trying to install SimGear-0.3.0, but camera.hpp is missing. Would someone please post that file. I've searched the internet to no avail. Thanks! ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: Curtis L. Olson writes: How do I reenable debugging output? maybe main.cxx static bool fgMainInit( int argc, char **argv ) { // set default log levels sglog().setLogLevels( SG_ALL, SG_INFO ); Yes, but this was reworked so it could be done from the

[Flightgear-devel] controls-bind()

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I tracked down my crash to controls-bind() There you will find a plethora of places where the code is sprintf'ing to a char[32] array, but the contents is often longer than 32 bytes. Might not have been crashing everyone else (building with -g?) but it was crashing with -O2. Fixed in cvs ...

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I'm still dead in the water. I appear to be dying somewhere in fgInitSubsystems() How the heck can I reenable debugging output?!? I see there is a --log-level option in options.cxx but it's not described in --help --verbose and using it seems to have no effect. Do you use

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Norman Vine writes: Not that we don't want a new name but aren't these two (pitch, propellor speed) the ~same~ thing assuming a variable pitch prop No. With a variable-pitch prop, the rpm will vary with both the pitch setting and the throttle setting, but those have not been in use for 70

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And I don't think it's fair to demand a painles recompile of the *developers* version of FlightGear every minute of the day. Agree with all you said, except maybe this. Demand is one thing, expect is another. It is fair to demand it. I'm not talking

Re: [Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: Whta is happening is there is a pint where the --log-level option actually starts working (inside fgMainLoop() ) but before that the log level is set by the line Norman pointed out. We also seem to have a variety of ways to set logging. In main.cxx, there is code

Re: [Flightgear-devel] controls-bind()

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I tracked down my crash to controls-bind() There you will find a plethora of places where the code is sprintf'ing to a char[32] array, but the contents is often longer than 32 bytes. Might not have been crashing everyone else (building with -g?) but it was crashing with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: We also seem to have a variety of ways to set logging. In main.cxx, there is code that uses the property /sim/log-level with an integer value. However, in fg_props.cxx, FlightGear also uses /sim/logging/priority /sim/logging/classes with string values (I added

[Flightgear-devel] re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Controls controls.cxx,1.5,1.6

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: You bastards! Writing property names to char arrays that are too short for the data you are putting in it. :-( Fixed ... for (index = 0; index MAX_ENGINES; index++) { ! char name[32]; sprintf(name, /controls/engines/engine[%d]/throttle, index);

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: With a constant-speed prop, the governor will attempt to maintain a constant RPM across a range of throttle settings by constantly varying the propeller pitch. I think you just uncovered your new name Note that 'constant-speed' is not mentioned in the original post

[Flightgear-devel] Eye Candy

2003-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
If you have a machine to run this on :-) http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/index.html Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] A fun garage project ... (?)

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2167383299 -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And I don't think it's fair to demand a painles recompile of the *developers* version of FlightGear every minute of the day. Agree with all you said, except maybe this. Demand is one thing, expect is another. It is fair to demand it.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: However, in fg_props.cxx, FlightGear also uses /sim/logging/priority /sim/logging/classes with string values (I added those a long time ago). I'm not sure how the two interact. I thought these were for property logging? No, that's controlled

Re: [Flightgear-devel] controls-bind()

2003-04-01 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: Is there still no replacement function to do this kind of operation in a C++ string? strstream would do the trick, but not all compilers support it yet. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A fun garage project ... (?)

2003-04-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:16:19 -0600, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2167383299 ..looks like a fellow modeller:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rearranged /controls/ properties

2003-04-01 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 08:21, Erik Hofman wrote: David Megginson wrote: Now that we're rearranging the /controls/ subtree, it might be a good time to clean up the naming. I am all for (property naming) consistency and I am for selecting the tree layout now, and stick with it from now on.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] The End of Python

2003-04-01 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:29, Curtis L. Olson wrote: David Megginson writes: It looks like Python's days are numbered; I just read on Slashdot about a programming language that uses *only* whitespace: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ I expect that most current Python

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Gimp and small textures

2003-04-01 Thread Martin Dressler
On Mon 31. March 2003 19:53, you wrote: Martin Dressler wrote: I made some investigations in last days and find why my textures look so bad when scaled down to 128x128 textures compared to textures generated by perl scripts (writen by Andy?) Uh, once upon a time, yeah. They're terrible

[Flightgear-devel] Question on tuesday's preferences.xml update

2003-04-01 Thread Jim Wilson
The magnetos are now defaulted to position 2 (Left) instead of 0 (Off). Was that intentional? Is there anything else in global preferences not mentioned in the log? Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A bit of a mess

2003-04-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And I don't think it's fair to demand a painles recompile of the *developers* version of FlightGear every minute of the day. Agree with all you said, except maybe this. Demand is one thing, expect is another. It is fair to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Erik Hofman writes: However, in fg_props.cxx, FlightGear also uses /sim/logging/priority /sim/logging/classes with string values (I added those a long time ago). I'm not sure how the two interact. I thought these were for property logging?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] debugging output

2003-04-01 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Megginson) [2003.04.01 13:31]: You can set /sim/logging/classes to a whitespace-separated list of any or all of the following values: terrain astro flight input gl view cockpit general math event aircraft autopilot io clipper