Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-09 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Heiko, Heiko Schulz wrote: > So we maybe needs a list of rules what we can do, waht we shall not to do > etc... The question is wether contributors are inclined to follow these guidelines. Basically this is most likely to end up in the maintainers being the target of nasty accusations - like

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-09 Thread Tim Moore
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Martin Spott wrote: > Hi Heiko, > > Heiko Schulz wrote: > > > So we maybe needs a list of rules what we can do, waht we shall not to do > etc... > > If someone starts a wiki page, or directs me to an existing one, I'll write down my thoughts. > The question is wet

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery bug: KSQL stray building

2010-02-09 Thread George Patterson
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, John Denker wrote: > At KSQL there is reproducibly a building sitting > partially on a taxiway and even extending onto > the runway a little bit. > >  http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/img48/ksql-building-on-rwy.png > > I have also been experiencing this issue so it's i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-09 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: > leee wrote: >> But isn't one of the tasks of ./configure to test that it can find >> the libs it needs, and isn't this the real problem? >> >> Is it not the case that ./configure has run ok, presumably believing >> that it has found the libs it needs, but then generated a mak

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery bug: KSQL stray building

2010-02-09 Thread Jon Stockill
George Patterson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, John Denker wrote: >> At KSQL there is reproducibly a building sitting >> partially on a taxiway and even extending onto >> the runway a little bit. >> >> http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/img48/ksql-building-on-rwy.png >> >> > > I have also b

[Flightgear-devel] Permanent snow line

2010-02-09 Thread Andrew Gillanders
I have seen from time to time mention of automatically generated snow lines where permanent snow would be likely to appear. Has anything been done on this? If not, I am thinking I could write a tool to take an elevation file (such as SRTM-3) and produce a shape file which then get put into

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-09 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, > Hi Heiko, > > The question is wether contributors are inclined to follow > these > guidelines. Basically this is most likely to end up in the > maintainers > being the target of nasty accusations - like the one on > this very list: > > "My [...] scenery is downloadable but not included i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Permanent snow line

2010-02-09 Thread Erik Hofman
Andrew Gillanders wrote: > I have seen from time to time mention of automatically generated snow > lines where permanent snow would be likely to appear. Has anything > been done on this? If not, I am thinking I could write a tool to take > an elevation file (such as SRTM-3) and produce a shap

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-09 Thread Geoff McLane
Hi John, Erik, Jari, Sid, Curt, Csaba, et al Thanks Erik. cvs updated, and all works in my Ubuntu 64-bits... and remember I use a 'non-standard' local prefix OSG install, so I can link and run against different OSG versions at will... Your addition of - AC_CHECK_LIB(osg,osgGetVersion, , [AC_

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-09 Thread Gene Buckle
> involved people behave as if the primary target of their involvement is > to alienate contributors over to their very own private collection of > models (there's more than just one single prominent case for such > effort). > > You, see, the topic is not _that_ easy to deal with, especially > beca

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-09 Thread Martin Spott
Tim Moore wrote: > That's unfortunate. Perhaps if we can point to a page of official > guidelines, that will mute some of these reactions? Or perhaps you already > have such a page :) Also, as I've mentioned before, I want to be sensitive > to the modeling workflow and what's possible with the pop

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery bug: KSQL stray building

2010-02-09 Thread Ron Jensen
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 10:45 +, Jon Stockill wrote: > George Patterson wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, John Denker wrote: > >> At KSQL there is reproducibly a building sitting > >> partially on a taxiway and even extending onto > >> the runway a little bit. > >> > >> http://www.av8n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-09 Thread Martin Spott
Gene Buckle wrote: > Martin, would some kind of impartial tool help solve this problem? I > don't know the details of WHY some particular model wouldn't work well in > FG, but wouldn't it be fairly straightforward to createa "model checker" > tool that could help an artist make sure that their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.0.0 Announcement text + Summary of ChangeLog

2010-02-09 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Just a tiny request: either associate each feature with the respective name or none. I'd prefer the latter. Thank you Durk for preparing the new release! Torsten -- The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud stor

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777-200ER another little bug

2010-02-09 Thread bitwPolly
As far as I can tell, the autopilot's roll stability has recently degraded. With a cvs build Feb 8th, with A/P engaged, the 77-200 rolls plus / minus about twenty degrees all altitudes, throttle settings: A/P heading mode. I'm pretty sure the 777 was roll stable two weeks ago, mp players rep

[Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread John Denker
Has anybody used the --generic record/playback feature recently? It seems to have some very noticeable bugs: When using the --generic record/playback feature, I observe numerous view-related problems: * Helicopter view: the size of the aircraft throbs at a high rate, getting bigger and sma

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi John, The first thought that comes to mind is to double check the precision (significant digits) of the data you are writing out. If you are writing out heading for instance with 0 or 1 decimal digits or position with 4 decimal digits, that could account for this sort of thing. Regards, Curt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread John Denker
On 02/09/2010 12:43 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > The first thought that comes to mind is to double check the precision > (significant digits) of the data you are writing out. If you are writing > out heading for instance with 0 or 1 decimal digits or position with 4 > decimal digits, that could acco

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-09 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 2010-02-09 11.08, Erik Hofman wrote: > Erik Hofman wrote: > I've updated configure of both FlightGear and SimGear to bail out if the > OpenScenegraph libraries are not found. SimGear has a simple check for > OpenThreads and OSG version number and a more extensive error report. > FlightGear check

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread Curtis Olson
Right, I wouldn't consider playback.xml to be the most well conceived generic protocol configuration file, but it serves as an interesting example and starting point at least. lon/lat are being written out as a float. This should be switched to double. The format specifier is %f but it might be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.0.0 Announcement text + Summary of ChangeLog

2010-02-09 Thread Durk Talsma
Okay, here is an updated announcement text: Thanks everybody for the comments / updates. In addition to those, I also fixed a few typos of my own and fixed some inconsistencies in Capitalization. A couple of replies to selected questions below: Chris Wilkinson wrote: > but is there any progress

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread Norman Vine
On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: Notice you are only getting 6 decimal places on your lat/lon and I know from a past life that this will probably resolve down to a resolution of maybe 10-20 meters. Hmm 6 decimal places should get you sub meter precision http://manisnet.or

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777-200ER another little bug

2010-02-09 Thread bitwPolly
As far as I can tell, the autopilot's roll stability has recently degraded. With a cvs build Feb 8th, with A/P engaged, the 77-200 rolls plus / minus about twenty degrees all altitudes, throttle settings: A/P heading mode. I'm pretty sure the 777 was roll stable two weeks ago, mp players re

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread Curtis Olson
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Norman Vine wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > > Notice you are only getting 6 decimal places on your lat/lon and I know > from a past life that this will probably resolve down to a resolution of > maybe 10-20 meters. > > > > Hmm > > 6 deci

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.0.0 Announcement text + Summary of ChangeLog

2010-02-09 Thread Erik Hofman
Durk Talsma wrote: > Erik Hofman replied: > >> Indeed, I haven't looked at that part yet. It is designed to allow easy >> addition of it though. >> > > I'm just wondering: Should I leave the referring sentence in the > announcement, or does it need modification? > I would remove it sin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-09 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, > > We do have a couple of rather simple recommendations which > should be > quite easy to fulfill: > >   http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/contribute.php#tips > > (the "NOTICE"), but even these are quite often ignored. That's doesn't wonder me: "Please..." You don't have to follow a "plea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread Adam Dershowitz, Ph.D., P.E.
A while back I was trying to read in lat/long and found a lot of jitter. I finally found that FG generic was actually only able to read in floats. At that time I found that the designation in the format was just being used for output of variables. But for input they were being put into the ac

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread John Denker
On 02/09/2010 01:14 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > lon/lat are being written out as a float. This should be switched to > double. The format specifier is %f but it might be better to specify a > fixed number of decimal places appropriate for the required visual > precision. I don't have my calculato

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread John Denker
On 02/09/2010 01:14 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > Right, I wouldn't consider playback.xml to be the most well conceived > generic protocol configuration file, ... Is there some other protocol file that should be used instead? None of the other Protocol/*.xml files seem particularly suited to the re

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread Curtis Olson
I've only started using the generic protocol stuff very recently. I think there have been some recent (v2.0) patches to fix some of these issues we've been discussing. Originally there was some missing double support, etc. Personally I've never tried the record/playback stuff this using the gene

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777-200ER another little bug

2010-02-09 Thread syd adams
Yeah it needs more work still , Heiko also reported some problems with it , but Ive been fighting with the daughter's laptop the last few days ... I'll do more checking once i get that running. (She NEEDS her facebook !) ... Cheers On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:29 PM, bitwPolly wrote: > > As far as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.0.0 Announcement text + Summary of ChangeLog

2010-02-09 Thread Rob Shearman, Jr.
Durk Talsma: > "extinquished by firefigher" Still need to replace the letter "Q" with the letter "G" in "extinguished", and add a "T" to the middle of "firefighter" Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery bug: KSQL stray building

2010-02-09 Thread Pete Morgan
can you file this bug formally at http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/list so we can track it ta pete John Denker wrote: > At KSQL there is reproducibly a building sitting > partially on a taxiway and even extending onto > the runway a little bit. > > http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777-200ER another little bug

2010-02-09 Thread Pete Morgan
The 777 is totally in dev.. and making all sorts of capers.. I guess we have to sit back and wait for Syd to decide the "aircraft" and its systems is worthy of "testing". In the meantime its a pointless task as the path is not identified, or indeed the "path" mapped. So come back later (BTW the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777-200ER another little bug

2010-02-09 Thread syd adams
Maybe Ive been fighting with this laptop harddrive too long , but I have no idea what you just said here ... :) On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Pete Morgan wrote: > The 777 is totally in dev.. and making all sorts of capers.. > > I guess we have to sit back and wait for Syd to decide the "aircr

[Flightgear-devel] code.google.com bug tracker [Was Re: scenery bug: KSQL stray building]

2010-02-09 Thread Tim Moore
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: > can you file this bug formally at > http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/list > so we can track it > > ta > pete > > By the way, I've encouraged Pete to take this on. I've disparaged bug tracking for free projects in the past, but

[Flightgear-devel] gitorious.org heads up: next branch being reset

2010-02-09 Thread Tim Moore
I'm going to reset the "next" branches in my git repositories at http://www.gitorious.org/fg to be based on the master branches, from which the release was made. If you are using these repos, then you'll see some warnings when you next fetch from them and will need to "git reset --hard" your local