Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 22:59:13 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message : > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:37:35 +0100, Frederic wrote in message > > <498dd4ef.2080...@free.fr>: > > > >> I don't know where this discussion will lead us but anyway, I made > >> a new Windows build with th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:37:35 +0100, Frederic wrote in message > <498dd4ef.2080...@free.fr>: > >> I don't know where this discussion will lead us but anyway, I made a >> new Windows build with the last OSG 2.8 branch with a working LWO >> plugin : > ..excellent work, Fred,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Csaba Halász
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..excellent work, Fred, my only question is, _should_ FG have > this LWO plugin? The only problems remaining are legal, the > licensing and politics. LWO plugin is in OSG. If you have any legal or licensing problems about it, talk to them.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:37:35 +0100, Frederic wrote in message <498dd4ef.2080...@free.fr>: > I don't know where this discussion will lead us but anyway, I made a > new Windows build with the last OSG 2.8 branch with a working LWO > plugin : > ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/fgrun+fg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Saturday 07 February 2009 20:25:43 alex wrote: > On Saturday 07 February 2009 11:50:57 FGD ML wrote > > Yes, full pathname to the .png image file. There is actually a bug in the > > > exporter code that cuts one character from the path string (/home/... > > becomes /hme/...). I also tried to rem

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread alex
On Saturday 07 February 2009 11:50:57 FGD ML wrote Yes, full pathname to the .png image file. There is actually a bug in the > exporter code that cuts one character from the path string (/home/... > becomes /hme/...). I also tried to remove the pull path leaving only the > filename, and copied the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Nicolas Quijano
You probably get that a lot, or I hope you do : Thanks for taking of win32 binaries, it's very much appreciated. Cheers, et un gros merci (assuming you're French) Nic On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > I don't know where this discussion will lead us but anyway, I made a ne

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Frederic Bouvier
I don't know where this discussion will lead us but anyway, I made a new Windows build with the last OSG 2.8 branch with a working LWO plugin : ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/fgrun+fgfs-osg-win32-cvs-20090207.zip This Wiki page explains how to use it : http://wiki.flightgear.org/in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:29:31 +0100, Melchior wrote in message <200902071429.32...@rk-nord.at>: > * Arnt Karlsen -- Saturday 07 February 2009: > > Then why are you here, asking us for freebee help? > ^^ > I'm sure he didn't specifically ask you anything. Posting to >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Tim Moore
FGD ML wrote: > > > 2009/2/7 Melchior FRANZ mailto:mfr...@aon.at>> > > Not that this has much to do with this thread, or Ian's > FlightGear problems. > > > Oh I would not worry about it, this thread has been hijacked, dragged > off topic and otherwise generally killed already. > > Obv

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Vivian Meazza
se isn't it? Lots of heat and not a lot of light (polite version). Vivian -Original Message- From: FGD ML [mailto:fg...@pomf.net] Sent: 07 February 2009 16:58 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats 200

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/7 Melchior FRANZ Not that this has much to do with this thread, or Ian's > FlightGear problems. Oh I would not worry about it, this thread has been hijacked, dragged off topic and otherwise generally killed already. Obviously starting another thread won't be likely to fair any better, h

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Ron Jensen -- Saturday 07 February 2009: > OpenSceneGraph-Data supports Arnt's point. ;-) That's not comparable: The concerned authors *contributed* their stuff, and the problem was not their attitude, but the fact that Robert accepted and committed the files -- as *sole* reference for embedded

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Ron Jensen
On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 14:29 +0100, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Arnt Karlsen -- Saturday 07 February 2009: > > Then why are you here, asking us for freebee help? > ^^ > I'm sure he didn't specifically ask you anything. Posting to > flightgear-devel usually means you wan

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 07 février 2009, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: > On Saturday 07 February 2009 11:50:57 FGD ML wrote: > > 2009/2/7 Roy Vegard Ovesen > > > > > On Saturday 07 February 2009 10:22:09 Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: > > > > As I said the .lwo file that Blender generated did _not_ contain any > > > > ref

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/7 Durk Talsma > Hi Ian, > > On Saturday 07 February 2009 11:39:13 FGD ML wrote: > > 2009/2/7 Arnt Karlsen > > > > > ..ah, that's where I try to help out. ;o) > > > > I'm sorry , I have a policy of not accepting cold callers. > > > > I hope you find comfort in the fact that 99% of our fgfs

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread gerard robin
On samedi 07 février 2009, Durk Talsma wrote: > Hi Ian, > > On Saturday 07 February 2009 11:39:13 FGD ML wrote: > > 2009/2/7 Arnt Karlsen > > > > > ..ah, that's where I try to help out. ;o) > > > > I'm sorry , I have a policy of not accepting cold callers. > > I hope you find comfort in the fact t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Ian, On Saturday 07 February 2009 11:39:13 FGD ML wrote: > 2009/2/7 Arnt Karlsen > > > ..ah, that's where I try to help out. ;o) > > I'm sorry , I have a policy of not accepting cold callers. > I hope you find comfort in the fact that 99% of our fgfs-devel subscribers is simply ignoring Arnt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Arnt Karlsen -- Saturday 07 February 2009: > Then why are you here, asking us for freebee help? ^^ I'm sure he didn't specifically ask you anything. Posting to flightgear-devel usually means you want to address FlightGear developers (in the widest sense) -- and I'm

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:39:13 +, FGD wrote in message <9dfda0650902070239p450979e0n2ef48491d3552...@mail.gmail.com>: > 2009/2/7 Arnt Karlsen > > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 23:06:59 +, FGD wrote in message > > <9dfda0650902061506u22068722ld9a43d1ebb574...@mail.gmail.com>: > > > > > 2009/2/6 Arnt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/7 Roy Vegard Ovesen I downloaded the 30 day trial version. It's full featured during the trial > period. > Wow, that pretty decent of them really! It's just enough but not exactly ages, so with that in mind do spend it wisely! Pleased at this news, it's not always been that simple. > No

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Saturday 07 February 2009 12:38:23 FGD ML wrote: > 2009/2/7 Roy Vegard Ovesen > > Do you mean grab a copy of LightWave? > > Yeah, why not? I heard that these days it just runs in "discovery mode" > (?) if you don't have a dongle. I've never been there so don't know how > that turns out, but I'

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/7 Roy Vegard Ovesen > On Saturday 07 February 2009 11:50:57 FGD ML wrote: > > 2009/2/7 Roy Vegard Ovesen > > > > > On Saturday 07 February 2009 10:22:09 Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: > > > > As I said the .lwo file that Blender generated did _not_ contain any > > > > reference to the texture i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Saturday 07 February 2009 11:50:57 FGD ML wrote: > 2009/2/7 Roy Vegard Ovesen > > > On Saturday 07 February 2009 10:22:09 Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: > > > As I said the .lwo file that Blender generated did _not_ contain any > > > reference to the texture image, so I don't think that putting the i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/7 Roy Vegard Ovesen > On Saturday 07 February 2009 10:22:09 Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: > > > > As I said the .lwo file that Blender generated did _not_ contain any > > reference to the texture image, so I don't think that putting the image > in > > the same path as the .lwo file will work. T

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/7 Arnt Karlsen > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 23:06:59 +, FGD wrote in message > <9dfda0650902061506u22068722ld9a43d1ebb574...@mail.gmail.com>: > > > 2009/2/6 Arnt Karlsen > > > > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:51:45 +, FGD wrote in message > > > <9dfda0650902061251g657a7a8axe431c89adc385...@mail.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Saturday 07 February 2009 10:22:09 Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: > > As I said the .lwo file that Blender generated did _not_ contain any > reference to the texture image, so I don't think that putting the image in > the same path as the .lwo file will work. This could of course be because > I'm not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-07 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Saturday 07 February 2009 01:48:55 FGD ML wrote: > 2009/2/6 Roy Vegard Ovesen > > Using Blender I added a texture to one of the sides of the borgbox, and > > finally exported to *.lwo format. The texture did not appear in > > osgviewer. Looking at the resulting *.lwo file in a hex editor showed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 23:06:59 +, FGD wrote in message <9dfda0650902061506u22068722ld9a43d1ebb574...@mail.gmail.com>: > 2009/2/6 Arnt Karlsen > > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:51:45 +, FGD wrote in message > > <9dfda0650902061251g657a7a8axe431c89adc385...@mail.gmail.com>: > > > > so we really a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Roy Vegard Ovesen > On Friday 06 February 2009 23:01:26 Vivian Meazza wrote: > > > > Osgconv also works, at least it does for .lwo -> .ac, but again no > textures > > to test. > > Using Blender I added a texture to one of the sides of the borgbox, and > finally exported to *.lwo format.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Friday 06 February 2009 23:01:26 Vivian Meazza wrote: > > Osgconv also works, at least it does for .lwo -> .ac, but again no textures > to test. Using Blender I added a texture to one of the sides of the borgbox, and finally exported to *.lwo format. The texture did not appear in osgviewer. L

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Arnt Karlsen > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:51:45 +, FGD wrote in message > <9dfda0650902061251g657a7a8axe431c89adc385...@mail.gmail.com>: > ..yeah, but who _are_ you guys, and why all this weird secrecy? We're just a bunch of old guys who quite like making stuff in flight sims. You ne

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Vivian Meazza > Ian, > > > > I think we are nearly there. Osg 2.8 has fixed the bug: > > > > ftp://ftp.abbeytheatre2.org.uk/fgfs/Screen-shots/hunter-lwo-tanks.jpg > > > > Here we have a .ac aircraft with 2 .lwo "droptanks" slaved to it. > Now THAT is funny - I'm sure I recognise those

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:51:45 +, FGD wrote in message <9dfda0650902061251g657a7a8axe431c89adc385...@mail.gmail.com>: > 2009/2/6 Martin Spott > > > FGD ML wrote: > > > > > I guess "wait and see" is realistically the best hope we can have > > > for the foreseeable future. That's a bit of a dis

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
a challenge for the FDM folks! -Original Message- From: FGD ML [mailto:fg...@pomf.net] Sent: 06 February 2009 20:52 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats 2009/2/6 Martin Spott FGD ML wrote: >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Vivian Meazza > Ian, > > > > Whoa there, it's not all doom and gloom. > I know, I'll live! It was just disappointment. It often passes after no more than a day depending on size! So far you guys have shown me you are different, and I'm certainly willing to hang around and try to keep

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Gear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats 2009/2/6 Martin Spott FGD ML wrote: > I guess "wait and see" is realistically the best hope we can have for the > foreseeable future. That's a bit of a disappointment reall

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Martin Spott > FGD ML wrote: > > > I guess "wait and see" is realistically the best hope we can have for the > > foreseeable future. That's a bit of a disappointment really. > > Well, you're asking for turn-key support of a format that's just very > specific to _your_ job, as the tool y

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Martin Spott
FGD ML wrote: > I guess "wait and see" is realistically the best hope we can have for the > foreseeable future. That's a bit of a disappointment really. Well, you're asking for turn-key support of a format that's just very specific to _your_ job, as the tool you have choosen to use doesn't prope

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Martin Spott > FGD ML wrote: > > > [...] FOr now it > > seems FG can only support .ac ahnd maybe 3ds, although I've not been able > to > > do exhaustive testing. > > > > Presumably there was some testing done at some stage for all claimed > formats > > being working as advertised when s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Martin Spott
FGD ML wrote: > [...] FOr now it > seems FG can only support .ac ahnd maybe 3ds, although I've not been able to > do exhaustive testing. > > Presumably there was some testing done at some stage for all claimed formats > being working as advertised when switching over to OSG? Certainly not all f

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Vivian Meazza > Reagan wrote > > > Vivian Meazza wrote: > > > Fred > > > > > > > > >> Vivian, > > >> > > >> apparently, the challenge is to start AC3D under Vista 64 > > >> > > >> -Fred > > >> > > >> > > >> - "Vivian Meazza" a écrit : > > >> > > >> > > >>> Ian, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Vivian Meazza > Ian, > > > > Those boxes import nicely into AC3D here. How about a real challenge? > Well sure they do; even I can make a box that behaves itself fairly well, for a box! For the real challenge I think you're supposed to be able to use it FG directly, as in without 3rd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Csaba Halász
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stockill wrote: > Vivian Meazza wrote: >> >> Those boxes import nicely into AC3D here. How about a real challenge? > > No problem getting them into blender either. However when I tried to export textured lwo's to ac3d format in blender, the textures were lost.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Jon Stockill
Vivian Meazza wrote: > Ian, > > > > Those boxes import nicely into AC3D here. How about a real challenge? No problem getting them into blender either. Jon -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Reagan wrote > Vivian Meazza wrote: > > Fred > > > > > >> Vivian, > >> > >> apparently, the challenge is to start AC3D under Vista 64 > >> > >> -Fred > >> > >> > >> - "Vivian Meazza" a écrit : > >> > >> > >>> Ian, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Those boxes import nicely into AC3D here. How about a re

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Reagan Thomas
Vivian Meazza wrote: > Fred > > >> Vivian, >> >> apparently, the challenge is to start AC3D under Vista 64 >> >> -Fred >> >> >> - "Vivian Meazza" a écrit : >> >> >>> Ian, >>> >>> >>> >>> Those boxes import nicely into AC3D here. How about a real challenge? >>> >>> > > PS there se

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred > Vivian, > > apparently, the challenge is to start AC3D under Vista 64 > > -Fred > > > - "Vivian Meazza" a écrit : > > > Ian, > > > > > > > > Those boxes import nicely into AC3D here. How about a real challenge? > > PS there seems to be a workaround - here: http://www.inivis.com/f

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred > > Vivian, > > apparently, the challenge is to start AC3D under Vista 64 > > -Fred > > > - "Vivian Meazza" a écrit : > > > Ian, > > > > > > > > Those boxes import nicely into AC3D here. How about a real challenge? > > > > > > ... snip ... Well, that might be a bridge too far, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
l Message- > From: FGD ML [mailto:fg...@pomf.net] > Sent: 06 February 2009 10:18 > To: FlightGear developers discussions > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats > > > > > > > 2009/2/6 Arnt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Ian, Those boxes import nicely into AC3D here. How about a real challenge? Vivian -Original Message- From: FGD ML [mailto:fg...@pomf.net] Sent: 06 February 2009 10:18 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-06 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/6 Arnt Karlsen > On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:07:45 +, FGD wrote in message > <9dfda0650902050307n513838b7x6f06bca893b2b...@mail.gmail.com>: > > > 2009/2/5 Jon Stockill > > > > > Tim Moore wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know what to say about AC3D, but Blender has such a large > > > community

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:07:45 +, FGD wrote in message <9dfda0650902050307n513838b7x6f06bca893b2b...@mail.gmail.com>: > 2009/2/5 Jon Stockill > > > Tim Moore wrote: > > > > > I don't know what to say about AC3D, but Blender has such a large > > community that > > > I doubt you need to be suffe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-05 Thread Martin Spott
FGD ML wrote: > As for flight format I've never even seen one, where has that been used out > of interest? I think Tim refers to OpenFlight - probably the de-facto standard, at least a _highly_ popular format for commercial, scientific and military simulation platforms. The nice thing about Ope

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-05 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/5 Tim Moore > It would be most useful to inquire in the Lightwave community what people > do for > export to games. Well this would always depend on the game in question as that is what generally calls the shots in the main. > OSG supports DirectX .x files, Flight format, Collada, eve

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-05 Thread LeeE
On Wednesday 04 February 2009, FGD ML wrote: > Hi All, > > Just got directed to your list today. Hope I'm posting this > right as that is a first for me too. Sorry if I goofed too. > > I'm one of a bunch of content makers [snip...] Re the choice of model format; have you got a .3ds exporter for L

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-05 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/5 Tim Moore > FGD ML wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Just got directed to your list today. Hope I'm posting this right as > > that is a first for me too. Sorry if I goofed too. > Welcome! Thanks, that feels a whole lot better now! (seriously!) I'm going to work through this a part at a time

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-05 Thread FGD ML
2009/2/5 Jon Stockill > Tim Moore wrote: > > > I don't know what to say about AC3D, but Blender has such a large > community that > > I doubt you need to be suffering in isolation this way. Surely this is a > known > > problem with a workaround? > > Before people spend too much time on that if yo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-05 Thread Jon Stockill
Tim Moore wrote: > I don't know what to say about AC3D, but Blender has such a large community > that > I doubt you need to be suffering in isolation this way. Surely this is a > known > problem with a workaround? Before people spend too much time on that if you have a small sample model tha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-05 Thread Tim Moore
FGD ML wrote: > Hi All, > > Just got directed to your list today. Hope I'm posting this right as > that is a first for me too. Sorry if I goofed too. Welcome! > > I'm one of a bunch of content makers, I recently had a conversation with > Stuart, and felt it worth exploring this a bit further w

[Flightgear-devel] The use of models from other formats

2009-02-04 Thread FGD ML
Hi All, Just got directed to your list today. Hope I'm posting this right as that is a first for me too. Sorry if I goofed too. I'm one of a bunch of content makers, I recently had a conversation with Stuart, and felt it worth exploring this a bit further with you all to see if it has much of a