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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe

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On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:38:05 +1200, rebecca officer rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz wrote: Did you consider expanding LaTeX? Not really. There's a well-established community around it, and lacking any familiarity with it, we didn't think we could do it much good. A fully-featured reliable

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-Saturday 20:54 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only 2013-05-13-01T15:15Z I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers

FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:34 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as ever. I'd really like to get my hands on a copy

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On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:19 -0700, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote: I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. I've had several off-list replies as well. I think you hit a nerve there, Nadine! So I've put the five-year-old draft spec for Omni 2 on the Mif2Go Web

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madness - Adobe software to be subscription only “That's how capitalism is supposed to work.” I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed

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Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on capitalism vs free market. *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine   Nadine - Nadine, I certainly

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The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link:

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Yes! It is one of the reasons I am now looking at them as a possible tool for my work - will be starting an evaluation in a few weeks. However, at first blush, the cost (both to change and to maintain) appears to be very high and thus one negative so far. Z -Original Message- From:

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Hi Steve, These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, retail channel? Thanks Alan On 12/05/13 11:09 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > >> Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the >>

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At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: >These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, >retail channel? Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software.

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Hi Jeremy Did you consider expanding LaTeX? A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong unstructured FM alternative. It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not easy, but good. Cheers Rebecca >>> "Jeremy H. Griffith" 12/05/13

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Craig Ede wrote: > Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean > that > you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some > changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your > ability of > use the software in that

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: > From: Jeremy H. Griffith > Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" > Received: Saturday, May 11, 2013, 8:54 PM > On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 > (PDT), Writer > > wrote: > >

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at lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like

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On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:38:05 +1200, "rebecca officer" > wrote: >Did you consider expanding LaTeX? Not really. There's a well-established community around it, and lacking any familiarity with it, we didn't think we could do it much good. >A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX

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-Saturday 20:54 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer wrote: >I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! >Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well...

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Monday, May 13, 2013 11:15 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only 2013-05-13-01T15:15Z I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framer

FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

amers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:34 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > > Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do

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On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:19 -0700, wrote: >I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et >al. I've had several off-list replies as well. I think you hit a nerve there, Nadine! So I've put the five-year-old draft spec for Omni 2 on the Mif2Go Web site:

FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:23:49 -0700, Lea Rush wrote: >I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that >decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd >like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to >fruition. :) Me

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om: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson Sent: 2013-05-12-Sunday 09:52 To: Alan T Litchfield Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Forum Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Adobe introduc

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>?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.? I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine

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mers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only >?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.? I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine

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Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on "capitalism vs free market". *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine ? > Nadine - > > Nadine, I

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> The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ > to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose > of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link:

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Yes! It is one of the reasons I am now looking at them as a possible tool for my work - will be starting an evaluation in a few weeks. However, at first blush, the cost (both to change and to maintain) appears to be very high and thus one negative so far. Z -Original Message- From:

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I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe. A previous post said: "The problem with customers is that they cost money

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at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I raise my hand ... :) Now ... who is responsible for getting funding? Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com

FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)

I don't think MS's new can't-call-it-Metro UI has gotten any traction in corporate environments. If they don't want Windows 8 to be a bigger flop than Vista, compatibility is essential. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Lea Rush wrote: > I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly

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Dear Rick, please allow one note about the "print engine". FrameMaker is still using the old Distiller engine (at least version 10 does). I recently had to switch a workflow from Indesign to FrameMaker and found it annoying that Indesign would produce a valid PDF right away whereas with

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; <dave.st...@gdc4s.com> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 9:03:21 AM Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only 2013-05-13-01T13:00Z There's that death knell again . . .. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- Fr

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anks much, > Lea > >> -Original Message- >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- >> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston >> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:34 AM >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Subje

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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Harro de Jong wrote: > The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may > have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the > upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your >

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On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ... Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new version is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell your rights: "You may ...

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Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > The purpose of business is to make money. The

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At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the product. With the advance of Internet and peer support of products, Adobe had long since removed the reseller from the channel. Without responding to the many other issues,

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Hi Steve, These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, retail channel? Thanks Alan On 12/05/13 11:09 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the product.

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On 12/05/2013, at 6:36 AM, Steve Johnson wrote: > Almost everyone keeps ignoring the question of CHOICE. There's no > doubt you can make a case for subscription but you can also make a > case for getting the disks or downloading the software. > > Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to

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Funny how people put words between the lines... On 12/05/13 12:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially > true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers > for its relative low profit margins and share price. If

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Jeremy, Very keen to know more, mate. Time for a robust system that does what FM used to do so well. Alan On 12/05/13 12:54 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer > wrote: > >> I say we start a new company and create a competitor >> to FrameMaker!

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Adobe introduces subscription-based licensing. So many of its users find it an outstanding value that over time, most of them license software by subscription. Adobe is rewarded for being innovative and Adobe serves its customers better. Everybody wins. Adobe ends its relationship with resellers

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Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as ever. I'd really like to get my hands on a copy of FrameMaker 8. That whole model seems outdated to me. I'd like to switch to Confluence. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > Time for a robust system

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Yes, Steve, it's true. There will be no CS7, just CC (Creative Cloud) apps. http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.html Single apps can be rented for $20/month, the entire suite is $50/month. There are first year discounts for some current users. CC requires that your computer get

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- Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how important their software

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made unavailable. Craig Ede -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software

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...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:59 AM To: Steve Rickaby Cc: FrameUsers List Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Look at your license agreement...you dont own them

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-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Writer; Steve Rickaby Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only It's not just freelancers

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name Creative Cloud (CC) is confusing but it's not web-only applications. You download and install them. I like this model for a few reasons: 1. Cheaper for multi

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: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only T his is troubling, and so one message is buy the CS software on CD/DVD while you still can. A number of my friends, most connected with academic institutions, are doing that. I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page

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- From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM Subject: FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only T his is troubling, and so one message is buy the CS software on CD/DVD while you still can. A number of my

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? *crickets chirp* =D Nadine - Original Message - From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com To: framers

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] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:38 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS

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To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Cc: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Syed: smaller-entity users (such as individual tech writers, graphics artists and consultants) for whom the cost of tools is an issue

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] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:22 PM To: Steve Rickaby Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name Creative Cloud (CC) is confusing but it's not web-only

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SaaS = software as a service, which usually means a web application you access through a browser. That's not what Adobe's doing. Creative Cloud applications are locally installed just like always. The only difference is that the license has an expiration date. If you don't pay and it expires,

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On 12/05/2013, at 6:36 AM, Steve Johnson wrote: Almost everyone keeps ignoring the question of CHOICE. There's no doubt you can make a case for subscription but you can also make a case for getting the disks or downloading the software. Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to choose

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This is why I'm uncomfortable with suites of software. Especially ones that are so interdependent. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket. Nadine PS: Z, you seem to be good with numbers. How much are we going to need to raise to create an FM competitor? Almost everyone keeps ignoring

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On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero

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Funny how people put words between the lines... On 12/05/13 12:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we

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Jeremy, Very keen to know more, mate. Time for a robust system that does what FM used to do so well. Alan On 12/05/13 12:54 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: I say we start a new company and create a competitor to

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bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > > I have just

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ine > > > - Original Message - >> From: Craig Ede >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Cc: >> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM >> Subject: FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only >> >> T his is troubling,

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at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? *crickets chirp* =D Nadine - Original Message - > From: Craig Ede > To: f

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kinds of tools. > > Z > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto: > framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:38 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: OT:

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To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) Cc: Steve Rickaby; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Syed: "smaller-entity" users (such as individual tech writers, graphics artists and consultants) for whom the cos

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.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:22 PM > To: Steve Rickaby > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > > It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name "Creative Cloud"

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

SaaS = software as a service, which usually means a web application you access through a browser. That's not what Adobe's doing. Creative Cloud applications are locally installed just like always. The only difference is that the license has an expiration date. If you don't pay and it expires,

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This is why I'm uncomfortable with suites of software. Especially ones that are so interdependent. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket. Nadine PS: Z, you seem to be good with numbers. How much are we going to need to raise to create an FM competitor? >Almost everyone keeps ignoring

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer wrote: >I say we start a new company and create a competitor >to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed,

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Jeremy Griffith wrote: > Writer wrote: > > I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! > > Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? > > Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically > it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a

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One benefit of the subscription model is that a company can focus 100% on the current and next releases. That should significantly reduce support costs, eliminates the cost of providing and distributing patch releases for old versions, and reduces various other costs due to reduced complexity. On

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That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more rational and obedient, Adobe would be better off. You're side of the mark about

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One problem that I foresee with 'Cloud' based solutions is that I have a number of customers who are on private/military grade networks who have *no* access to any services outside of their own network. This configuration currently makes the FrameMaker license activation a right pain ...

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Agreed to most, except the issue of backward compatibility. As it stands now, I can open old versions of files in old version of software because I have the applications. I don't know how this will be handled with the new software as it evolves. It will only take three years for this to be a

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>> As for cars, leasing has been a huge business for a couple of decades. >> There's also a growing adoption of ride shares (pay for shared use of a >> car), and rentals still are thriving. >> Yes, but when they started leasing cars, they didn't remove the option to buy them! I'm not against

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One problem that I foresee with 'Cloud' based solutions is that I have a number of customers who are on private/military grade networks who have *no* access to any services outside of their own network. This configuration currently makes the FrameMaker license activation a right pain ... But

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I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of

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: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how

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Look at your license agreement...you dont own them now. On May 9, 2013 12:42 PM, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote: I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder

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To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - From: Steve Rickaby srick

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At 17:02 + 9/5/13, Bethany Lee wrote : Pardon my ignorance, but what is SaaS basis? Sorry, my bad just finished a book on software security. 'Saas' = 'software as a service', i.e. pay-as-you-use, often with the apps hosted in the cloud. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk To: framers

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...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share

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- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:26 AM To: John Posada Cc: Alison Craig; FrameUsers List Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have to agree with John, and last year I would have totally bet the other way

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Also, SaaS and subscription are different concepts.SaaS (like SalesForce, Jira, BaseCamp, Web(prettymuchanything) and many others) are web portals where the computing occurs across a network.Subscription means that you confirm your ability to run the software installed on (and processed on) your

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It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name Creative Cloud (CC) is confusing but it's not web-only applications. You download and install them. I like this model for a few reasons: 1. Cheaper for multi-application users. Rather than buying one-off or a suite at a time, you get access to all

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At 14:22 -0400 9/5/13, Bill Swallow wrote: I don't see this as being a bad thing. I see it as being different. Yup, but as soon as you stop paying, you lose access to all your content. That's a real big psychological barrier to bridge. I can see why a subscription model would appeal to

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Unfortunately, it's not a rumor. They made a mistake calling the subscription CC, though. It should have been called FU. To paraphrase someone else's quote on one of the Adobe forums, It's like paying for air. Stop paying and everything stops. I've always upgraded my CS every version, even

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You don't lose your content. The files don't turn into pumpkins when you quit the subscription. Yes, you can't use the native files, but if you didn't plan a content migration knowing you'd be dropping the parent application, whose fault is that? As a consultant, the model is extremely

RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

-Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:38 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Agreed to most, except the issue of backward compatibility. As it stands now, I can open old versions of files in old version of software because I have the applications. I don't know how this will be handled with the new software as it evolves. It will only take three years for this to be a

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

As for cars, leasing has been a huge business for a couple of decades. There's also a growing adoption of ride shares (pay for shared use of a car), and rentals still are thriving. Yes, but when they started leasing cars, they didn't remove the option to buy them! I'm not against leasing

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - > From: Steve Rickaby > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM > Subject: OT: Corporate

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Look at your license agreement...you dont own them now. On May 9, 2013 12:42 PM, "Steve Rickaby" wrote: > I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in > future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? > > I do wonder whether the accountants

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

To: Steve Rickaby; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your sentiments/fears exactly, Steve. Nadine - Original Message - > From: Steve Rick

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