Spencer -
I've never had issues opening files from older versions in the current
version. For grins, I just opened a 1994 file that was in v3, and it opened
fine. You could install a 30-day trial of the current version (16, aka 2020)
to confirm that it works and see if the .jpeg import error
o: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many
I downloaded in about 2 seconds and opened it in Acrobat Pro in about 3
seconds.
Dave Creamer
IDEAS Training
-Original Message-
The FM PDF help file is almost unusable in the current version because of
lo
Did you download framemaker_help.pdf from
https://www.adobe.com/go/learn_fm16_ug_pdf_en ? I have gigabit
internet, so downloading was almost instant, but it took two or three
minutes to open in Acrobat Pro DC, and 20 minutes later it still
hasn't finished saving as reduced file size.
On Fri, Oct
I downloaded in about 2 seconds and opened it in Acrobat Pro in about 3
seconds.
Dave Creamer
IDEAS Training
-Original Message-
The FM PDF help file is almost unusable in the current version because of
long loading and scrolling times.
If you have the full Acrobat version, use this
They didn't know better than to create created a tagged PDF? Yikes.
That's not as bad as the time they shipped a new version of FrameMaker
that wouldn't run unless it was installed in the root of the c: drive.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:52 PM Gust, Dieter wrote:
>
> Winfried wrote: "You can
On 20 Oct 2021 at 11:00, Lin Sims wrote:
> That PDF is useful but also a real pain, because it takes forever to open
> and searching also takes a while. This is weird, because the manual for
> 2019 is a similar size but opens and searches quickly on the same machine.
> I even tried to save it as
BLESS YOU!
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:52 AM Gust, Dieter wrote:
> Winfried wrote: "You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the
> Adobe website:
> https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html;
> The FM PDF help file is almost unusable in the current version because of
>
Maker software.
Betreff: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many
of us feel the way we do
Hi,
You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the Adobe website:
https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html
Best regards
Winfried
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Message-
From: d...@reqexperts.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:01 PM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
Subject: RE: [Framers] read/write rules
Scott
Thank you for those ideas. I will try them. I was just in the process of
uninstalling and reinstalling
-4325 T: 303-481-8467
-Original Message-
From: Framers On
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] read/write rules
Hi Dave...
When initially building an import/export client for FM16 I had to use VS
2019
Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] read/write rules
Hi Dave...
When initially building an import/export client for FM16 I had to use VS
2019, but as of 16.0.3 that no longer works. With Update #3, Adobe released
a new FDK
-Original Message-
From: Framers On
Behalf Of Lynne A. Price
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:40 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] read/write rules
Dave,
Even though the error message refers to the r/w rules, the problem could
be with your API client. Have you
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:09 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so
> many of us feel the way we do
>
> June 1, 2021 version of the FrameMaker Help Manual:
> https://www.framegoodies.us/Fr
Of Lynne A. Price
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:40 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] read/write rules
Dave,
Even though the error message refers to the r/w rules, the problem could be
with your API client. Have you recompiled for the newer version of FM
Dave,
Even though the error message refers to the r/w rules, the problem
could be with your API client. Have you recompiled for the newer version
of FM?
--Lynne
On 10/20/2021 11:32 AM, d...@reqexperts.com wrote:
We use a structured application that includes a structured API to
You can pay all at once or monthly, but FrameMaker subscriptions are annual.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:50 AM Peter Gold wrote:
>
> ... To quote a spokes-emu, "Only subscribe for when you need." ...
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Business models evolve. One reason to charge via ongoing subscriptions is
to finance the increasing ongoing development cost of the incremental
releases needed to keep current with industry's advances.
Some of Adobe's Creative Cloud subscription products have been offered on
intermittent
For software companies, one big plus for a subscription model is that
they only need to support the latest version.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:20 AM Dennis Hays wrote:
>
> ... I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an
> egregious affront to hold the software hostage when
I can only echo my agreement with Dennis on this.
.
Craig Ede
…snip…
I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an
egregious affront to hold the software hostage when missing a
subscription payment. From a business point of view, it's a cash flow
solution, reducing the seasonal
June 1, 2021 version of the FrameMaker Help Manual:
https://www.framegoodies.us/FrameMaker_Help/framemaker_help.pdf
Dennis
Lin Sims wrote on 10/20/2021 11:01 AM:
Note also that the contents of the PDF and the online help are identical.
It's useful if you're not connected, but it might actually
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>> From: Framers > carecom-solutions@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Blackmon, Ramona
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:00 PM
>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
&
From: Framers carecom-solutions@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Blackmon, Ramona
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:00 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest...
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many
of us feel the way we do
Dennis,
Yes, will you please post the FrameMaker manual you have for us to use as
reference?
Ramona Blackmon
-Original Message-
From
Dennis,
Yes, will you please post the FrameMaker manual you have for us to use as
reference?
Ramona Blackmon
-Original Message-
From: Framers
On Behalf Of Dennis Hays
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:20 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Framers
Way back in the dark ages, when FrameMaker was first ported to Windows,
I worked with a FM staff member, Mercedes (still fondly remember her),
to address bugs and issues. She sent me updates via overnight courier
and these were multiple disk sets, calling for a fresh install. The
reason I
Dear Wim,
I do think Adobe reads this list, at least from time to time. So it is
IMNSHO essential that we discuss, not only the day-to-day problems we are
facing in our tasks with FM but also its pros and cons. I for one welcome
the discussion of the attitude that Adobe seems to show regarding
The advantage of talking about what we don't like, is that hopefully
they will fix the issues. It's not just to blow off steam.
On 19-Oct-21 10:24 AM, Wim iDTP wrote:
Hi all,
can we go back to where this list is ment for: help eachother out with
FrameMaker issues.
If you don’t use FM
Since I've only used FrameMaker and this list and others list it since the
FrameMaker 2 release sometime back in the 1990s, I may not be as qualified
as you in deciding what is acceptable list content...
But I have a strong feeling that FrameMaker's usability, both for a given
task and usability
Hi all,
can we go back to where this list is ment for: help eachother out with
FrameMaker issues.
If you don’t use FM (anymore) or don’t like FM (anymore) or don’t want to pay
for FM (anymore) - that’s up to you.
This list is for FrameMaker users. Let’s stick to that.
Thanks!
Vriendelijke
Thanks! I couldn't agree with you more! :thumbsup
And years ago, I think it was even less than $400 to upgrade - heck the cost of
a license was around that much (although this may be wishful recollection on my
part! )
Z
Shmuel Wolfson said:
> At one point it was $400 to upgrade up to two
I suspect the main reason Adobe did not discontinue FrameMaker 20
years ago and has continued to sell it is the significant revenue
streams from large customers such as Boeing who built complex
toolchains using structured FrameMaker and the Framemaker development
kit.
At one point it was $400 to upgrade up to two versions back. That was
reasonable. Every few years I would ask my employer to upgrade. Then the
price shot up to $400 for one version back, $600 for two versions back,
and full price after that. That's when I just gave up and said I'll
stick with
and/or
authorisation issue is caused by Adobe?
Alison
++
-Original Message-
From: Framers
On
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 11:34 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do
The current $360 annual subscription price is lower than the old
annual maintenance charge, which was 50% of the cost for a new
license.
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:27 AM Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>
> ... I think when Adobe charged less for upgrades people had more tolerance
> for Adobe not fixing
I think the general feeling of those who are upset at Adobe, is that
Adobe seems to feel:
"We are the best. Nothing else comes close. So we can charge whatever we
want and ignore your request for bug fixes."
Does that about sum it up?
I think when Adobe charged less for upgrades people had
: Syed Zaeem Hosain
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about
Adobe
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Well ... I don't bash FrameMaker beca
Circa 1981 Charles Corfield pitched his idea for an
"industrial-strength WYSIWYG word processor" to Sun, which lent him a
workstation.
https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/whitepapers/25_Years_of_Adobe_Framemaker.pdf
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:00 AM Peter Gold wrote:
>
Flare's arguably the best alternative to FrameMaker. If your .fm files
are formatted consistently, little or no cleanup may be required after
import.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:49 PM Caroline Tabach
wrote:
>
> Someone said they hesitated to recommend Frame because of recent
> installation
You can't buy FrameMaker any more. Subscription only. $360 a year is
quite cheap compared with other tools. I'm paying a little over $3,000
a year for Paligo. Flare is $2,000.
PDF's still a customer requirement for many products, but the other
single-sourcing tools I've used all produce
source, and puts my cursor right where I need it!
Consistent output? Yes. Many people have provided all the necessary add-ons for
just about any standardized technical format that you might ever want.
Large books? Yes. No issues with multiple-hundred-page documents for me. I keep
my chapter
at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 6:10 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software
Sean,
The binary data in a FrameMaker file identifies the version of
FrameMaker used to create the file. Each version of FrameMaker can open
files created in that version and earlier, but not files created in a
later version. In particular, FM 2019 cannot open files created in FM
2020,
They gave you a link to the latest general release. Only participants in
the beta program get to download beta versions. :D
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:19 PM wrote:
> Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support
> gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually
Matt has published Working with Content 2020, which is for the most recent
version of Frame. It's based on the Scriptorium Using FrameMaker 8, and
it's pretty helpful. I do recommend it if you're sick of the online help.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:33 PM wrote:
> I will say among the many things
I used Broadvision Quicksilver for quite a while until 2015’ish. Basically a
Windows-based version of Interleaf. It was very useful, and working with their
tech team was terrific. What changes they’ve made these past six years or so
should be significant. Interleaf was definitely the Gold
ingllc.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 4:19 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
>
, 2021 11:15 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
>
> IMO, Adobe treats us as open wallets from which to extract more and mo
AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version?
Possibly an NDA violation?
Is the secret download location a pre-release repository?
Shouldn't the translator
il list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users
"feel" the way we do about Adobe
Well, I had Frame 7 for ages and ages, and used to see all the stories on
forums, so never moved till we got Windows 10 and
They must, or it wouldn't still be being updated and sold.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 4:03 PM Steve Rickaby
wrote:
> At 13:24 -0400 14/10/21, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> >Interleaf still exists, but it's called Quicksilver these days.
>
> So I've heard - but does anyone use it?
>
> --
> Steve
>
, 2021 1:51 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version?
Possibly an NDA violation?
Is the secret download location a pre-release repository?
Shouldn't
At 13:24 -0400 14/10/21, Lin Sims wrote:
>Interleaf still exists, but it's called Quicksilver these days.
So I've heard - but does anyone use it?
--
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The current version of FrameMaker is 16.03.979. It was released last
July/August and has had 3 updates so far.
Frame's update function is busticated, but that seems to be an issue with
Adobe's website. You have to download it from the trial page. As long as
you're subscribed, it should install
Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version?
Possibly an NDA violation?
Is the secret download location a pre-release repository?
Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it
was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility?
On Thu, Oct
Interleaf still exists, but it's called Quicksilver these days.
https://broadvision.com/products/quicksilver/quicksilver-overview/
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:24 PM Steve Rickaby
wrote:
> At 16:55 -0600 12/10/21, wrote:
>
> I tend to agree: all software eventually 'dies' as technology moves
A good reason NOT to speed-read technically-dense material, is that one
tends to take humor seriously. For example, I'm imagining recalling retired
engineers refactoring original FM code into COBOL! :)
Thanks for the image, Steve!
IIRC, the original proposals for FM were made by
At 16:55 -0600 12/10/21, wrote:
>I can give details if interested, but I just wanted to chime in to the
>thread from a few weeks ago, where someone stated that they feel that Adobe
>hates their customers. . .
I think that was me.
Long time past, I took a great many textbooks directly to press
On 13 Oct 2021 at 14:21, Peter Gold wrote:
> In the old days, Adobe had beta-test (AKA pre-release) programs, for which
> interested volunteers who represent a range of users from single-person
> business to large enterprises with multiple seats, could apply. Is there a
> FM beta-test program
Affinity Publisher lacks FM- and iD- technical-authoring tools, like
x-refs, hierarchical running H/Fs, multi-file books.
The Serif AP user forum reveals that footnotes were added after being
requested. This stirs optimism that other feature requests will be
fulfilled ... in due time.
Requests
If you have the option of porting to a different authoring system for your
source docs, I've long been a fan (and MVP) of WebWorks ePublisher. It's very
flexible and you can create multiple outputs.
Nadine
On Thursday, October 14, 2021, 11:07:00 a.m. EDT, Caroline Tabach
wrote:
After
After leaving Framemaker (which I worked with for about 20 years!), I
arrived at a company which publishes everything directly to the web using
Document360.
But this doesn't do everything I want, so I am looking into different
options, to publish to the web, create PDF files if required, as well
Caroline, what are you using now to create your source docs?
Nadine
On Thursday, October 14, 2021, 08:34:23 a.m. EDT, Shmuel Wolfson
wrote:
Affinity looks great for magazines, but it currently lacks support for
cross-references, so it's not an option for books IMHO. But it seems
like
Affinity looks great for magazines, but it currently lacks support for
cross-references, so it's not an option for books IMHO. But it seems
like it is a feature thta they want to add. See
Someone mentioned Affinity here, so I installed it. It looks like it has a
lot of potential, but It was more than I needed right now so I didn't put
much effort into using it.
Doug
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 2:49 AM Caroline Tabach
wrote:
> Someone said they hesitated to recommend Frame because
To continue my previous email, I agree that if PDF is not an output you
supply to the customers, than there are lots of good options out there
that may be cheaper than FM and have other benefits. But there are
plenty of products out there that still come with a PDF, or have one
I don't know why everyone likes bashing FrameMaker.
Is there anything else that:
• Is suitable for long books.
• Gives you PDF output as is appears while you are working (WYSIWYG).
• Can be converted to online help, (even if it requires buying an extra
program).
FM happens to have online help
Hi,
OK. I did not have such severe problems as some of you.
My impression is that Adobe and the FrameMaker development reacts
much more quickly than "in the good old days", when there was no-one
from Adobe to talk to. And at least now FrameMaker is as stable as
e.g. FM 7.
Adobe now also
rs > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many
writingllc dot com
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM
> > To: An email list
Michael, what are you using to publish your DITA content? What output is it
missing?
Nadine
On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 04:43:39 p.m. EDT, Norton, Michael
wrote:
Some of us have been using FrameMaker since it was owned by Frame. For many
years, it seemed as if Adobe was trying to
c.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 2:18 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
>
> Yea, pretty much. . . I figured
alf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
>
> Egad, Tammy!
underlying software design that seems to work
the same from a user's point-of-view. You know, like nations of citizens
being able to commute daily in their all-electric cars, using the same
habits* they learned while driving petroleum-fueled autos. The investment
in a fundamentally re-engineered FM shou
.@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of A Craig
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software.
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > users "f
-Original Message-
> From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of A Craig
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software.
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan want
eum-fueled autos. The investment
in a fundamentally re-engineered FM should pay off going forward, unless
investments in imagined AI succeed in being able to replace technical
publishing with autonomous-everything.
*Well, maybe self-driving vehicles might help reduce the consequence of
driver
I wholeheartedly agree — except, sadly, I'm not semi-retired.
Alison
From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software."
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October, 2021 15:55:26
Subject: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users
https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/08/28/microsofts-loophole-will-allow-windows-11-on-unsupported-hardware/
On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 3:23 PM wrote:
>
> ... MS put out 11 to appease its hardware partners and force the buying of
> more hardware for folks who want to upgrade. ...
> Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 12:45 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
>
> The OS keeps changing my default printer on me behind my back. I don't let
> Windows
I guess it does depend on the configuration then. We have not run the utility -
just checked the specs of the systems we have.
These are Lenovo laptops, i5 and i7 dual and quad-core, and all have the TPM
chips, at least 8GB of ram (most are 16GB and some are 32GB), etc.
My primary system is
concerned.
From: "Lin Sims"
To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software."
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October, 2021 11:44:43
Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
The OS keeps changing my default printer on me behind my back. I don't let
Windows m
ng .
>
> Alison
>
>
> From: "Lin Sims"
> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 October, 2021 11:25:39
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
>
> Good thing
s than $50).
And I agree that MS needs to stop telling me how I want to use my computer,
because most of the time they are wrong .
Alison
From: "Lin Sims"
To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software."
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October, 2021 11:25:39
Sub
solute "have to
> upgrade" the OS for a while.
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 1:59 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.
My almost-five-year-old Dell Optiplex 7010 is per Microsoft's utility
not compatible. Not that there's any reason for me to upgrade.
On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:16 AM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:
>
> Hmmm ... apparently because Microsoft wants to "add better security". Thus
> the need for the TPM
1:59 PM
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Interesting that Windows 11 has such steep CPU requirements. That's not
something I look for in an operating system.
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Is it possible that this is the result of either an honest typesetting or
composing error, or an intentional strategy to avoid breaking footnote
matter across pages? Does the client have a preference?
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 4:16 PM wrote:
OK, I know this is off-topic but because this list is
Interesting that Windows 11 has such steep CPU requirements. That's
not something I look for in an operating system.
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>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question
>
> But why even reference the original article? Doesn't the
revised/republished
> article supplant the former entirely, so just cite it? I've not seen this
type of
> r
I have my message format set to HTML and I have the option of append each
line in the original message with a carrot (>) and I see that works for
other folks' messages. . . not sure what else I could different besides just
remove the original message. . . but then I have had folks complain that
> To: An email list
for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] OT:
Reference question > > Tammy, > > Is there some way you can turn off the
appending the earlier messages > when you reply. I expect you are probably
replying from a phone and
From: Framers on
behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:29 PM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question
LOL! How I wish. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening
: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:42 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question
I've never seen an embedded reference in all my years in university. I would
have thought that the second one would have just quoted the title
I've never seen an embedded reference in all my years in university. I would
have thought that the second one would have just quoted the title of the first
one - e.g.
Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2007). "Rodgers T, Leahy D, Rowland M. 2005.
Physiologically based pharmacokinetic modeling 1:
LOL! How I wish. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Tuesday, September
28, 2021 3:23 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
software. Subject: Re
Just cite the "Friends" episode and provide a link to it? :)
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 4:16 PM wrote:
> OK, I know this is off-topic but because this list is filled with seasoned
> veterans of technical writing, I know I can get my answer here. I am
> working
> on the references for a client
ber 2021 15:07
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal
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> I've reached out to Stefan Gentz & he's forwarded Sue's info to the TCS
> team, but becau
If you had to only piss off one of the groups, you'd likely pick the one that
is smaller. But pissing off nobody would be better.
C Ede
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Adobe treats its Creative Cloud customers (InDesign / Photoshop /
Illustrator / Type / etc.) much better than its
I've been using Windows 11 since July and have seen no problems with Frame
versions 16.0.2 and 16.0.3.
Tom Bain
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Given the huge compatibility problems with Win 11 and existing computers,
running Frame on a Win 11 computer it won't be an issue for most of us until we
buy/upgrade our current systems.
We just bought our second, high end (though not bleeding edge) computer in May
and neither of them will
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