Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-10-06 Thread Decibel!
On Sep 21, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Eric Anderson wrote: It would be good if someone could do a database benchmark for some of the larger parts. Something else worth mentioning... a lot of work is being done to improve PostgreSQL scalability for larger numbers of CPUs. If you're looking at anything

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-21 Thread Eric Anderson
Decibel! wrote: On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Palle Girgensohn wrote: --On torsdag, torsdag 13 sep 2007 15.07.17 -0400 Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Palle Girgensohn writes: Now, I hear rumors that AMD is to be preferred over Intel for performance From what I have read in the

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-20 Thread Claus Guttesen
> > I think this is not current information; the new woodcrest > > architecture performs mucg better, although this is deduced from > > this thread's discussion... > > Except this thread has largely glossed over the importance of memory > bandwidth, which is exactly the reason why Opterons have bee

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-20 Thread Decibel!
On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Palle Girgensohn wrote: --On torsdag, torsdag 13 sep 2007 15.07.17 -0400 Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Palle Girgensohn writes: Now, I hear rumors that AMD is to be preferred over Intel for performance From what I have read in the past, specially

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-19 Thread Kevin Way
On Sep 14, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote: Palle Girgensohn writes: We will probably go for SCSI. HP DL380 with "HP SmartArray", aka ciss. How will you monitor disk failures? Does that controller can be monitored with FreeBSD in some way? The disk failures show up in the

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-17 Thread Palle Girgensohn
--On fredag, september 14, 2007 18.44.35 -0400 Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Palle Girgensohn writes: Sorry, my mistake, more like a percent per day at the moment... If you have 16GB and you got 1% per day.. in less than 100 days you would be at 32GB.. If growth continues y

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-14 Thread Francisco Reyes
Palle Girgensohn writes: Sorry, my mistake, more like a percent per day at the moment... If you have 16GB and you got 1% per day.. in less than 100 days you would be at 32GB.. If growth continues you will theoretically be at 60GB+ within a year. We are planning about 16 GB RAM, actuall

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-14 Thread Claus Guttesen
> > Obviously if you can afford SCSI/SAS performance will likely be even > > better. However make sure you can get management program for the > > controller. At the very least some type of notification if the raid is > > degraded. > > We will probably go for SCSI. HP DL380 with "HP SmartArray", aka

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-13 Thread Palle Girgensohn
--On torsdag, torsdag 13 sep 2007 19.44.50 -0400 Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Palle Girgensohn writes: Presently ~pgsql/data has a 16 GB footprint. If you can put 4GB or better in your machine you should do well. Specially since you mentioned you are mostly read with relati

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-13 Thread Francisco Reyes
Palle Girgensohn writes: Presently ~pgsql/data has a 16 GB footprint. If you can put 4GB or better in your machine you should do well. Specially since you mentioned you are mostly read with relatively small amount of writes. The growth is rather slow, around a percent per week What cont

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-13 Thread Palle Girgensohn
--On torsdag, torsdag 13 sep 2007 15.07.17 -0400 Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Palle Girgensohn writes: Now, I hear rumors that AMD is to be preferred over Intel for performance From what I have read in the past, specially in the postgresql list, it seems the AMD64 cpus do b

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-13 Thread Francisco Reyes
Palle Girgensohn writes: Now, I hear rumors that AMD is to be preferred over Intel for performance From what I have read in the past, specially in the postgresql list, it seems the AMD64 cpus do better with Postgresql. Possibly because of better bus architecture. Personally I think having

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-13 Thread Claus Guttesen
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:57:32AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> It seems that Broadcom is back into this game. > > > > So far the Broadcom Serverworks HT1000 SATA controller is POO. > > I'm seeing all kinds of disk corruption with FreeBSD on a Tyan s3992. > > Googling shows that other Fre

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-13 Thread Palle Girgensohn
--On onsdag, september 12, 2007 16.08.48 -0700 David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:57:32AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: It seems that Broadcom is back into this game. So far the Broadcom Serverworks HT1000 SATA controller is POO. I'm seeing all kinds of di

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-12 Thread Kris Kennaway
Alfred Perlstein wrote: * Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070910 16:32] wrote: Alfred Perlstein wrote: Palle, I really haven't kept pace with Intel versus AMD in a while, my understanding is that AMD is still the only 64bit game in town. For a database, the more memory you can get, the bet

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070910 16:32] wrote: > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >Palle, > > > >I really haven't kept pace with Intel versus AMD in a while, my > >understanding is that AMD is still the only 64bit game in town. > > > >For a database, the more memory you can get, the better. > >

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:57:32AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > It seems that Broadcom is back into this game. So far the Broadcom Serverworks HT1000 SATA controller is POO. I'm seeing all kinds of disk corruption with FreeBSD on a Tyan s3992. Googling shows that other FreeBSD users have been l

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-11 Thread Martin Cracauer
Paul Pathiakis wrote on Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 07:11:27PM -0400: > On Monday 10 September 2007 14:46:21 Martin Cracauer wrote: > > For integer workloads Intel's Core2-base Xeons outperforms K8 (the > > old-school AMD64) by about 25-30% per clock per core. K10 seems to be > > 5-15% faster than K8 fo

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-11 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
On 9/10/07, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Palle Girgensohn wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We are looking at getting a server for running postgresql. Only > > postgresql, a dedicated machine. Since we know FreeBSD very well, we > > plan on using it as the OS. > > You might want to wait a little un

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-11 Thread Ivan Voras
Palle Girgensohn wrote: Hi, We are looking at getting a server for running postgresql. Only postgresql, a dedicated machine. Since we know FreeBSD very well, we plan on using it as the OS. You might want to wait a little until 7.0 or until some more important bits get MFC'ed to 6.x: http:

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Claus Guttesen
> Palle, > > I really haven't kept pace with Intel versus AMD in a while, my > understanding is that AMD is still the only 64bit game in town. > Pls. don't top post!! > > -Alfred > > * Palle Girgensohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070910 03:16] wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We are looking at getting a server fo

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Martin Cracauer wrote: For integer workloads Intel's Core2-base Xeons outperforms K8 (the old-school AMD64) by about 25-30% per clock per core. K10 seems to be 5-15% faster than K8 for integer workloads (I hope to run my benchmark suite on one thi week or weekend). the guys at heise.de pu

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Paul Pathiakis
On Monday 10 September 2007 14:46:21 Martin Cracauer wrote: > For integer workloads Intel's Core2-base Xeons outperforms K8 (the > old-school AMD64) by about 25-30% per clock per core. K10 seems to be > 5-15% faster than K8 for integer workloads (I hope to run my benchmark > suite on one thi week

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Kris Kennaway
Alfred Perlstein wrote: Palle, I really haven't kept pace with Intel versus AMD in a while, my understanding is that AMD is still the only 64bit game in town. For a database, the more memory you can get, the better. I've found many machines with 4 gigs of ram to not be enough to get decent per

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Alfred Perlstein
Palle, I really haven't kept pace with Intel versus AMD in a while, my understanding is that AMD is still the only 64bit game in town. For a database, the more memory you can get, the better. I've found many machines with 4 gigs of ram to not be enough to get decent performance from a database t

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, September 10, 2007 11:46 am, Martin Cracauer wrote: > On the other hand, if you want K8 or K10 in a modern SMP mainboard you > have to live with NVidia for chipsets, and the socket F boards all have > the MPC55 SATA controller, which iirc is unsupported by both BSD and > Linux. MPC65 moved

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Martin Cracauer
For integer workloads Intel's Core2-base Xeons outperforms K8 (the old-school AMD64) by about 25-30% per clock per core. K10 seems to be 5-15% faster than K8 for integer workloads (I hope to run my benchmark suite on one thi week or weekend). However, tasks that use multiple cores and have thread

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Paul Pathiakis
Be very, very careful in purchasing Core 2 Duo. There are major problems with the chip that have been documented across the board. Many, many people are steering clear of the chip for at least a year. This brings up a simple thought... is it better to stick with a tried and true chip at pre

AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Palle Girgensohn
Hi, We are looking at getting a server for running postgresql. Only postgresql, a dedicated machine. Since we know FreeBSD very well, we plan on using it as the OS. We have an offer for an IBM server, x3650, with 2 * DC Intel Xeon 5160, Raid with two clusters, one for database and one for xl

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Palle Girgensohn wrote: Now, I hear rumors that AMD is to be preferred over Intel for performance reasons. Any comments on that? Are we better off getting AMD processors, when running Unix? AMD announced today the new quad core. Their benchmarks are promising. But not the dual core ve

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Palle Girgensohn
--On måndag, september 10, 2007 18.32.18 +0800 Erich Dollansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Palle Girgensohn wrote: Now, I hear rumors that AMD is to be preferred over Intel for performance reasons. Any comments on that? Are we better off getting AMD processors, when running Unix? AMD

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Palle Girgensohn wrote: Now, I hear rumors that AMD is to be preferred over Intel for performance reasons. Any comments on that? Are we better off getting AMD processors, when running Unix? AMD announced today the new quad core. Their benchmarks are promising. But not the dual core ver

Re: AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Claus Guttesen
> We are looking at getting a server for running postgresql. Only postgresql, > a dedicated machine. Since we know FreeBSD very well, we plan on using it > as the OS. > > We have an offer for an IBM server, x3650, with 2 * DC Intel Xeon 5160, > Raid with two clusters, one for database and one for x

AMD or Intel?

2007-09-10 Thread Palle Girgensohn
Hi, We are looking at getting a server for running postgresql. Only postgresql, a dedicated machine. Since we know FreeBSD very well, we plan on using it as the OS. We have an offer for an IBM server, x3650, with 2 * DC Intel Xeon 5160, Raid with two clusters, one for database and one for xl