I've set freebsd-chat as follow-up
Me too.
Postings about copyright etc too numerous/ boring/ ignorant/ irrelevant,
Too much focus on American law that does not apply to many
of us on this international list, eg Bernt H's Sweden, my bases
of Britain Germany, 190+ other non USA
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 02:25:52AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
2011-06-17 18:28, Chad Perrin skrev:
The fact this is not applicable everywhere is the reason for things
like the CC0 waiver, however.
What is CC0?
http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/
--
Chad Perrin [ original content
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a
notary public 'witness' the signature.
True.
Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I think)
only the US
From cpgh...@cordula.ws Sat Jun 18 08:28:25 2011
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:28:24 +0200
Subject: Re: free sco unix
From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws
To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
bon
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
From cpgh...@cordula.ws Sat Jun 18 08:28:25 2011
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:28:24 +0200
Subject: Re: free sco unix
From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws
To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com
Cc: freebsd
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:24PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a
notary public 'witness' the signature.
True.
Without the service of a
On 6/18/11 10:36 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:24PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a
notary public 'witness' the
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:14:03AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties'
email addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately
following this brief paragraph, for
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:59:57AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
2011-06-17 00:20, Daniel Staal skrev:
--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged
to have said:
(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone
book is often an example. It's just a
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:22:31AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one
can't give it up.
Again, registration is pretty important if
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:28:51AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the poor man's
copyright registration approach, where the moment you have something you
would like to protect by copyright, you can seal it up in an envelope and
mail it to
On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff
fulfills certain criteria, originality is one.
Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the poor man's
copyright registration approach, where the moment you have
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:57:20AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff
fulfills certain criteria, originality is one.
Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the poor
On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Sigh. If you'd ever actually filed a copyright registration or
transfer form, you would discover that one needs to get them notarized.
(Documenting that a certain document was available and signed at a
specific date is what a notary public is
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:48:25AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
The poor man's copyright approach is, I believe, less certain and
effective than registration, but if there is a dispute over proper
claim of copyright, anything you can do to
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 12:22:42 2011
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:03:47 -0500
From: Alex Stangl a...@stangl.us
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: free sco unix
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:28:51AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
Registration aids enforcement
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:02:09PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
OK, time for somebody who really knows about this stuff to wade in.
[snip]
Thanks for much more clearly stating, in much greater detail, exactly
what I was trying to say -- and for adding a bunch of additional detail.
--
Chad
--As of June 17, 2011 5:02:09 PM -0500, Robert Bonomi is alleged to have
said:
4) In the U.S., one can officially register copyright on something up to
SIX MONTHS _after_ first 'publication'.
--As for the rest, it is mine.
Actually, you can register it at any time after it has been
On 6/16/2011 6:47 PM, Polytropon wrote:
There is another important term, but I'm not sure how to
translate it properly. In German, it's Schaffenshoehe,
refering to the level of work you put into creating it.
This finalizes in patent law. To make sure nobody can make
money out of trivial
On 6/17/2011 1:57 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
You assert this claim as well, but it's not at all clear whether
anything but works created by government employees can be placed in
the public domain.
On 6/17/2011 2:48 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Sigh. If you'd ever actually filed a copyright registration or
transfer form, you would discover that one needs to get them notarized.
(Documenting that a certain document was available and signed at a
Le 15/06/2011 à 22:34:23+0200, Thomas Hansen a écrit
one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware
Take a look :
http://www.levenez.com/unix/
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net = To Thomas
Hansen :
CB FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
CB still the proprietary property of ATT/Bell Labs.
unix is a trademark of novell.com.
On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net = To Thomas
Hansen :
CB FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
CB still the proprietary property of
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:22:43 AM Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net = To
Thomas Hansen : CB FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 14:22:43 +0100 Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk =
To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
MS CB FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
MS CB still the proprietary property of ATT/Bell Labs.
MS
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 10:06:42 -0400 Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com = To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS I think the confusion that you all are having is between the idea of
RS copyright and trademark. They are different. Copyright applies to the
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:29:42 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote:
There should be a difference recognized between own a Unix trademark by
http://www.unix.org/trademark.html and ownership of the Unix copyrights
by http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 where I'm
pass.
There
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:47:32 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote:
This will require some efforts from Open Group. Does FreeBSD Foundation pay
for that?
Not necessary. FreeBSD does not use (want to use/need to use) the UNIX
trademark and according to the USL vs. BSDi court case, FreeBSD does not
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com = To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-)
RS
--
From: Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com
thrown out of court. Additionally, the source code is GPL, so even
if in the
fictional world of Linus taking the trademark elsewhere, you can
fork the code
and call it
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote:
In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs
have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied
after taking the issue into court...
I thought that Sun reversed that decision in 2008. Can you
On 16 June 2011 17:47, Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote:
In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs
have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied
after taking the issue into
On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com = To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 13:36:32 -0400 Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net = To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
DS RS Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use
DS of
DS RS signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.
DS
DS Source code itself
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
unix is a trademark of novell.com.
Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group:
http://www.unix.org/
In case it was lost in the informative explanations
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:20:11PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
But both are just words/phrases, right?
Here's an example of the difference:
UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, speaking
about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, and
so
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 12:46:20 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com = To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
CP But both are just words/phrases, right?
CP
CP Here's an example of the difference:
Good example, it's on-topic ;-)
CP UNIX, the name, is a
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 12:30:07 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com = To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
CP * The UNIX source code's copyright is held by . . . damn. It keeps
I always told this name is a kind of Black Label. Companies to hold it use to
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:29:42 +0400, Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org
wrote:
Lawyers are so lawyers ;-)
Two lawyers, three opinions. :-)
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
___
--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to
have said:
CP UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here,
speaking
Do we need a license to use it? ;-)
According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As
long as we don't
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:43 -0400, Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote:
According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As
long as we don't claim we own it, and only *referring* to the company who
does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to
I am out of the office until June 20th. I will only have intermittent access to
email. I will read and reply to your message when I get back to the office.
If you need assistance with a Berkeley DB or Product Management issue while I
am away, please contact ashok.jo...@oracle.com.
--As of June 17, 2011 12:47:45 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book
is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.)
Interesting, never tought of that, but sounds obvious.
--As for the rest, it
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 18:20:43 -0400 Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net = To Peter Vereshagin :
DS CP UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here,
DS speaking
DS
DS Do we need a license to use it? ;-)
DS
DS According to what I recall of my
On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay
for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay?
The FreeBSD Foundation is a non-profit organization which supports and
represents the
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org
wrote:
And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay
for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay?
Basically, the main page says based on, this states a
fact and
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:43:59PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
(The other common case in the USA is road maps. A simple 'lines following
their geographic contours, labeled' is a set of facts. One result of this
is that most road maps in the US either are missing some minor roads, or
have
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else
I believe.
Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't
express OTHER's
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else
I believe.
I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email
addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following
this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after
my name. I would appreciate it if you would configure your mail user
agent to
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email
addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following
this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after
my name. I would
2011-06-16 19:36, Daniel Staal skrev:
On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmonsrsimmo...@gmail.com = To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
RS
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.netwrote:
Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name.
I'm not sure by what mean by work the trademark in but every business is
entitled to use tm or sm identification without registration. However by
2011-06-17 00:20, Daniel Staal skrev:
--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to
have said:
(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book
is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.)
Which is copyrighted, all databases
2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hanssonbe...@bah.homeip.netwrote:
Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name.
I'm not sure by what mean by work the trademark in but every business is
entitled to use tm or sm
2011-06-16 20:30, Chad Perrin skrev:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
unix is a trademark of novell.com.
Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group:
http://www.unix.org/
In EU there are
one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware
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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
* Thomas Hansen t...@danskdatacenter.dk [2011-06-15 22:34:23 +0200]:
one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware
FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which
On 15/06/2011 21:34, Thomas Hansen wrote:
one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
Some Unix is free (the best sorts), others are most certainly not free
at all.
FreeBSD is pretty much the opposite end of the
-- Forwarded message --
From: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: free sco unix
To: Thomas Hansen t...@danskdatacenter.dk
'y' and 't' are too close in mutt :(
* Thomas Hansen t...@danskdatacenter.dk [2011-06-16 00:07:11 +0200
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