Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS alongside MS-DOS on old system

2019-09-18 Thread Jon Brase
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:48:04 +0200 Mateusz Viste wrote: > On 17/09/2019 01:00, Jon Brase wrote: > > My question isn't actually what packages are in base. My question is, given > > the presence of an existing MS-DOS install, what is the minimal set of > > packages that would need to be unpacked on

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS alongside MS-DOS on old system

2019-09-18 Thread Mateusz Viste
On 18/09/2019 12:15, Jon Brase wrote: Under FreeDOS itself, I'm having a bit of trouble getting my CD drive set up. Specifically, having just installed components through FDNPKG, I'm having to write up my own FDCONFIG.SYS / FDAUTO.BAT, and I'm having trouble figuring out which components are curr

Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?

2019-09-18 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jon, some extra details: There was a VBE sound BIOS extension, but basically nobody used it, in any case no games I know. And there was a project to create a virtual soundblaster, which is mirrored on https://auersoft.eu/soft/by-others/ but it is more like a draft of implementing some very b

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS alongside MS-DOS on old system

2019-09-18 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jon, > ... "help xcdrom32" takes me to a help page for xcdrom, which > says its deprecated and UIDE.SYS should be used instead. There's > a help page for UIDE.SYS, but I can't actually find UIDE.SYS > itself anywhere. At the moment, there are UHDD and UDVD, with UHDD integrating CD/DVD featu

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS alongside MS-DOS on old system

2019-09-18 Thread ZB
On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 09:35:10PM -0500, Jon Brase wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have an old 1995-vintage pentium system running a triple-boot of Debian, > MS-DOS 6.22, and Windows 95. I would like to install FreeDOS along side MS-DOS You can create 2 separate DOS partitions - and use GRUB to

Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?

2019-09-18 Thread geneb
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019, Jon Brase wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:18:18 -0600 st...@vwebr.net wrote: This is kind of a sore point when using Windows-based virtualization apps. Virtualbox (and I believe VMWare) support SoundBlaster 16, but only to a certain extent (as in later versions of Windows).

[Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
I am coming from a neo-luddism standpoint which is not anti tech but tech-sceptic. I would like to see an OS that can do all the essential  stuff with 25 year old hardware.Because I see the constant careless dismissal of well functioning hardware and decent software, which costed massive amounts of

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread ZB
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 03:29:27PM +0200, Thalis Agáth??n wrote: >I am coming from a neo-luddism standpoint which is not anti tech but >tech-sceptic. > >I would like to see an OS that can do all the essential stuff with 25 >year old hardware. You may want to check also: -

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
Thanks! Interesting! However I forgot to mention one great benefit of Freedos: the games. Some of those other systems may give access to games but the games will be using way more resources than DOS games. And if they can run DOSbox than DOSbox will ask for more resources (1Ghz CPU). The stuff that

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread ZB
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 04:08:14PM +0200, Thalis Agáth??n wrote: >Thanks! >Â >Interesting! >Â >However I forgot to mention one great benefit of Freedos: the games. Some >of those other systems may give access to games but the games will be >using way more resources th

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
Yes, true, bur let me explain: In essence, the oS is simply a means to an end.My personal 'ends' are:- office- gaming- social networking- voip- email- media...And I want to do all of this on 25 years old hardware.What Kolibri for example can do on 25 years old hardware,  FreeDOS can also do. But wh

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread ZB
I gave you some more options you may be interested in - then to decide which tool is better for which of your aims. For gaming surely DOS is best option - and it's also very good option for many other aims (just have a look at Vetusware's contents available for you for free). For everything netwo

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
dont you think browsing performance is essentially a hardware matter?Thalis-- Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile16:35, 18 September 2019, ZB :I gave you some more options you may be interested in - then to decide whichtool is better for which of your aims.For gaming surely DOS is best option - and it

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread ZB
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 04:59:52PM +0200, Thalis Agáth??n wrote: >dont you think browsing performance is essentially a hardware matter? Not really - it depends on software side too. And maybe even more on the software used by pages' designer (say is it HTML/PHP - or Javascript, for example).

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
I forgot to add browsing to this list.- office- browsing- gaming- social networking- voip- email- media...On a 25 year old PC, I think Freedos can potentially do all of this except browsing with CSS3, flash, JS, etcOther OS's (on a 25 yo PC)  can do the same except for gaming.They will all have iss

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread ZB
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 05:13:06PM +0200, Thalis Agáth??n wrote: >I forgot to add browsing to this list. >[..] >On a 25 year old PC, I think Freedos can potentially do all of this except >browsing with CSS3, flash, JS, etc So you may want to try OpenBSD -- regards, Zbigniew ___

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
can OpenBSD do browsing CSS3 etc on a 25 yo pc? I doubt it. -- Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile17:18, 18 September 2019, ZB :On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 05:13:06PM +0200, Thalis Agáth??n wrote:I forgot to add browsing to this list.[..]On a 25 year old PC, I think Freedos can potentially do

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
I tried it with Tiny Core Linux and it wasnt possible-- Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile17:18, 18 September 2019, ZB :On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 05:13:06PM +0200, Thalis Agáth??n wrote:I forgot to add browsing to this list.[..]On a 25 year old PC, I think Freedos can potentially do all of

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
yes ofcourse, on server site its the software which is decisive, but on the client side mainly the hardware en a little bit the software.Uptil now I think FreeDOS is the best choice for 25 yo pc's.Thanks for contributing to answering this dilemma 😊I will see how far I get with Lynx browser.-- Sent

[Freedos-user] Hello, newbie here with a question :-)

2019-09-18 Thread Bob via Freedos-user
Hello all! First off, I'm fairly new to this whole FreeDOS thing, but I absolutely love the project. I never used DOS during it's hayday, but the technology has always interested me as I think text-based operating systems are awesome. Now with that out of the way, on to my question. I'm runni

Re: [Freedos-user] Hello, newbie here with a question :-)

2019-09-18 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Bob, if your gopherus says no packet driver found and links says host not found, then you probably have to install a network driver ;-) There are howtos about that on the net. What type of network hard- ware do you use? Onboard LAN chipset? You can use pcisleep in DOS or other tools in other

Re: [Freedos-user] Hello, newbie here with a question :-)

2019-09-18 Thread Bob via Freedos-user
> Note that DOS has no support for USB- or wireless-net. Well that would be it then cause' I'm using wireless, oops. That's fine though, I mainly wanted it for the legacy software anyway ;) Thanks, -Bob ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@list

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Ralf Quint
On 9/18/2019 8:45 AM, Thalis Agáthōn wrote: yes ofcourse, on server site its the software which is decisive, but on the client side mainly the hardware en a little bit the software. Uptil now I think FreeDOS is the best choice for 25 yo pc's. You are making one basic but important mistake in

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
Thank you for your input. For one I am a beginner, but they did have Bilboard groups right? And was voice over network such a big issue to develop for DOS os?In any case I think they could have build these things within DOS, if they had sustainability in mind. But rather they had money in mind. Cap

[Freedos-user] FDIMPLES Error -4 on Virtualbox

2019-09-18 Thread andrew fabbro
Greetings! Old PC hacker here...back to the original MS-DOS, and some Z-80 fun before that. Haven't played with DOS in ages but really enjoying the FreeDOS experience. I'm running 1.2 on Virtualbox. I need to add the "raw" flag to the boot when installing from CD, but afterwards the system boot

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Jim Hall
On 9/18/2019 8:45 AM, Thalis Agáthōn wrote: > > yes ofcourse, on server site its the software which is decisive, but > on the client side mainly the hardware en a little bit the software. > > Uptil now I think FreeDOS is the best choice for 25 yo pc's. > > 00:46, 19 September 2019, Ralf Quint :

Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?

2019-09-18 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:07 AM geneb wrote: > I've found that 86Box is probably the best PC emulator out there. It's > basically a PC emulated at the hardware level for a number of different > motherboard chipsets. It actually uses original BIOS ROMs and even video > BIOS ROMs. You can find i

Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

2019-09-18 Thread Thalis Agáthōn
Thank you for your optimistic mail Jim :) There is a lot in there that I will keep in the back of my mind :)Thalis-- goodness = beauty = truth19.09.2019, 01:50, "Jim Hall" :On 9/18/2019 8:45 AM, Thalis Agáthōn wrote: yes ofcourse, on server site its the software which is decisive, but  on the clien

Re: [Freedos-user] FDIMPLES Error -4 on Virtualbox

2019-09-18 Thread andrew fabbro
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:11 PM andrew fabbro wrote: > However, using FDIMPLES, I'm receiving a stream of "Error while > extracting" while trying to install things from the DEVEL tree. Strangely, > I installed the editor Elvis just fine and it works great...but trying to > install OW gives me "E

Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?

2019-09-18 Thread geneb
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, Jim Hall wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:07 AM geneb wrote: I've found that 86Box is probably the best PC emulator out there. It's basically a PC emulated at the hardware level for a number of different motherboard chipsets. It actually uses original BIOS ROMs and even

Re: [Freedos-user] FDIMPLES Error -4 on Virtualbox

2019-09-18 Thread Jerome Shidel
Hi, Primarily... FDIMPLES combines, parses and formats data from multiple locates and files to provide a convenient TUI for installing, updating or removing packages individually or in groups or sets. However, the actual installation or removal is performed by invoking the command line utility

Re: [Freedos-user] FDIMPLES Error -4 on Virtualbox

2019-09-18 Thread andrew fabbro
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 7:25 PM Jerome Shidel wrote: > The errors you encountered are being encounter by FDINST. Although > FDIMPLES uses little RAM and gives the majority to FDINST, it could be > insufficient for extremely large packages like Perl. There are only a > couple such massive packages