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From: Robert Holmes
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Cc: friam
Sent: 7/15/2008 4:33:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus
Nick - all you are doing is shouting "Absurd!" in an ever louder voice. Link me
to a methodology for assessing the existence/non-existence of a
ged the definition of a point.
> > That is how progress is made, you rigid boob!" But then I want to
> continue
> > to wonder (for perhaps a few more days) what implications this might have
> > for the concept of mind. My New Realist mentors taught me to think of
> &
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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:58 AM
To: Robert Holmes; friam
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My reference is to that eminent logician, nthompson, who wrote.
that in logic,
Once you have said in your definitions,
"A point
ck
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Robert Holmes
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Sent: 7/15/2008 9:40:34 AM
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Hey Nick,
I'm not talking ab
icholas S. Thompson
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> From: Robert Holmes
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];FRIAM
> Sent: 7/12/2008 6:47:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calcul
Nick -
Have you read Thomas Nagel's "The View From Nowhere" ?You
might find it amusing . . .
tom
On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
But then I want to continue to wonder (for perhaps a few more
days) what implications this might have for the concept of mind.
Nick -
OK . . . now that we recognize that terms like "point" are (should
more properly be?) left intentionally undefined in the axiomatic
systems, we can move to the next step . . .
A term like "point" (in an axiomatic theory) is a place where we
can make a (temporary?) connection be
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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:28 PM
To: Robert Holmes
Cc: FRIAM@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus
Robert,
Some how this message got caught in my outbox and you went unchastised for a
whole 48 hours.
No! You have gone
Nick -
So, ummm . . . in a carefully done axiomatization of Euclidean
geometry, the terms "point", "line", "plane" (among others . . .) are
left explicitly *undefined* . . . See, for example, Hilbert's
axiomatization as described here:
http://www.math.umbc.edu/~campbell/Math306Spr
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Sent: 7/14/2008 10:01:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus
Nick,
I think I am beginning to get a glimmer of what you are complaining about. The
wording of your definition is ambiguous. How about this one from Google:
a geometric element that ha
Nick,
I think I am beginning to get a glimmer of what you are complaining
about. The wording of your definition is ambiguous. How about this
one from Google:
a geometric element that has position but no extension; "a point is
defined by its coordinates"
I think you are arguing that since
from which the world is viewed, or at b
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Robert Holmes
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Sent: 7/12/2008 6:47:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and C
sychology and Ethology,
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From: Robert Holmes
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];FRIAM
Sent: 7/12/2008 6:47:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus
Nick - the snippet below illustrates the key problem with invoking catego
Nick - the snippet below illustrates the key problem with invoking category
errors. I think giving the infinitesimal point speed and direction makes
sense and you do not. You see a category error and I do not. So how do we
adjudicate? We can't: there's no objective methodology for saying if a
categ
Nick,
I think the questions you are asking won't be answered in a math book
but rather in a book like this:
Where Mathematics Comes From: How the Embodied Mind Brings Mathematics
into Being
by George Lakoff, Rafael Nuñez
http://www.amazon.com/Where-Mathematics-Comes-Embodied-Brings/dp/04650377
Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> What about the flow in the opposite direction? Can the calculus tell
> us anything about how we think about goal direction in human behavior?
Well, goal direction means having some way to measure achieving a goal
or getting closer. One artificial neural net training
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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus
It may not be a category error, but a domain error... app
Ethology,
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From: Robert Holmes
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Sent: 7/9/2008 9:49:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus
This is based on nothing more than reading the
son
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
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From: Robert Holmes
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Sent: 7/9/2008 9:49:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus
This is base
It may not be a category error, but a domain error... applying
definitions of objects from one domain to similarly named objects in
another.
This error is the basis of the classic paradox regarding immovable
object's interactions with irresistible forces. The question of what
happens when the form
point. This is not a category error; it’s a definition.
Frank
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This is based on nothing more than reading the entry on categories at
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/categories/ so please take with a pinch of
salt...
It seems that the tools necessary to cons
Of Nicholas Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:46 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Cc: echarles
Subject: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus
All who have patience,
Once of the classic critiques of mentalism the belief that behavior is
caused by events in some "inner" space calle
This is based on nothing more than reading the entry on categories at
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/categories/ so please take with a pinch of
salt...
It seems that the tools necessary to construct category systems are severely
broken. Specifically, there is no generally accepted method for
di
Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
> For instance, a motive, or an intention, is not some inner thing that
> directs behavior, but rather the limit of its behavioral direction.
>
Or it could be that the so-called `motive' or `intention' was merely a
rationalization of a subconscious impulse that had alre
All who have patience,
Once of the classic critiques of mentalism the belief that behavior is
caused by events in some "inner" space called the mind ... is that it involves
a category error. The term "category error" arises from ordinary language
philosophy (I think). You made a category e
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