Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Dave writes: < I find myself becoming increasingly petulant and angry, in all sorts of areas, not just politics, with people who are so absolutely certain that their interpretation of a complex data set is the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH. I believe, not know — not even think, but believe that such peop

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Glen writes: < And I've heard people talk about *engaging* with Trumpists and trying to tease apart whatever good or bad the ecology associated with Trump has done or not done. But I fail every time I try. How do you crack open that layered chitin an Ismist accretes around their self without

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Dave writes: < BTW, there was no implication that 'government should leave off ... and let the cattlemen solve it." What I did imply: "too many, if not most, government bureaucrats are arrogant, misinformed, if not outright ignorant, promulgators of rules and regulations that make sense only

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Glen writes: < Perhaps rural America is obsolete and that's what's wrong? If so, infrastructure projects would be the fastest way to eliminate it, not to move the people out, but to move the city in ... make the entire 9.8 million km^2 into an urban, managed, space. Of course, I can't even ge

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Glen writes: < But even though the auto shop is only a few blocks from the trolley stop, she *refused* to take it. It was much more convenient for her to have me slice out 2 hours (1 hour per trip) of my day, burn a bunch of gas, etc. than it was to ride the train(s). And she's (ostensibly) al

Re: [FRIAM] the Commons and Convenience

Steve writes: < It is also hard to give up "convenience", once habituated toit. I can barely imagine tying up a hardwired phone line to get 300 or 1200bps internet service today... I think I'd probably do without somehow. I once walked, ran, rode my bike miles and miles to get whe

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

lso, I would not presume to attempt to "crack open that layered chitin" of another until and unless I had shattered my own shell. davew On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, at 8:00 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > On 11/11/19 10:40 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Stopping behaviors that are counterprodu

Re: [FRIAM] cracking cosmic eggs (was: capitalism vs. individualism)

Glen writes: < There was a Brexiteer I *may* have cracked at least a bit with my discussion of Trump and BoJo. I'll never see that guy again... so who knows? > That's the easiest situation, like at a professional conference dinner. It is easy to play pretend in a situation where you have an

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 1:33 AM To: Prof David West ; friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism Dave wr

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Glen writes: "So, what pragmatic reason is there to make the distinction you make here?" HR often departments act as if the feature space for skills can be represented as a binary vector associated with a given candidate. That resource is a thing they try to acquire and will get rid of when

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Apparently encoding words can be done by my *fingers* -- I can type them correctly but nonetheless insert them out of order. That's kind of wild. On 11/14/19, 3:45 PM, "Marcus Daniels" wrote: Glen writes: "So, what pragmatic reason is there to make the

Re: [FRIAM] Chaos Scientist Finds Hidden Financial Risks That Regulators Miss Oxford Professor Doyne Farmer is working with central banks to improve stress testing.

Generative machine learning seems a heck of a lot easier than ABMs for stress testing. From: Friam on behalf of Barry MacKichan Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 7:45 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Su

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

Nick writes: < What I see in much relativism is not fallibilism, which I endorse, but nihilistic fatalism**, which I deplore. I am not sure I can argue either for my endorsement OR my condemnation, but them’s my values. Nihilistic fatalism is endorsed opportunistically by people like Putin b

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

fish, would you?". The shop assistant replies, "You've got it wrong – ours is a butcher's shop. We don't have any meat. You're looking for the fish shop across the road. There they don't have any fish!" --- Eric P. Charles, Ph.D. Department of Ju

Re: [FRIAM] Chaos Scientist Finds Hidden Financial Risks That Regulators Miss Oxford Professor Doyne Farmer is working with central banks to improve stress testing.

but it's rarely done because the skill sets are a bit different and it's more expensive. [sigh]) On 11/14/19 5:56 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > On 11/14/19 6:10 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> Generative machine learning seems a heck of a lot easier

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

Dave writes: < Geertz merely points out a fact — there are no cross cultural universals (except one, that I will get to in just a moment), nor are there any "objective" criteria for asserting primacy or privilege of one culture over another. From this comes an indictment of ethnocentrism as one

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

Dave writes: < Puritanism is one of those things that IS relative, in the sense that most everyone has a line that is not to be crossed, for no objective, rational, reason but just because "I don't want to." I won't use recreational drugs (e.g. cocaine), drink to excess, or read (well I have, b

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

orphine, oxycodone, etc. are akin to gasoline. The latter are (bad) habit inducing but not the former. Interestingly, most hallucinogens also have a side effect like overclocking — of generating excess heat. davew On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Dave wri

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

ing — of generating excess heat. davew On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Dave writes: < Puritanism is one of those things that IS relative, in the sense that most everyone has a line that is not to be crossed, for no objective, rational, reason but just because &qu

Re: [FRIAM] means of production take 3

Nick writes: < Dogs seem to have (or enact) a concept of ownership. > Just have to bite on this one: My cattle dog seems to think of her collar as jewelry. If I take it off she chases after me and tries to get it back. < This scheme is known as altruistic enforcement because from a Dar

Re: [FRIAM] IT is Not Sustainable

Most programmers won't struggle to rationalize or improve code written by other people.The problem is that people are selfish. They think that their 10K LOC problem is beautiful and nimble, but that 1M LOC was once that too.It's the behavior of teenagers. On 12/25/19, 10:47 PM, "Friam

Re: [FRIAM] IT is Not Sustainable

Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 1:28 AM Gary Schiltz mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com>> wrote: Spot on. On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 2:29 AM

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model

In spite of this review, I still agree with Krugman. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/01/review-paul-krugman-arguing-with-zombies/603052/ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2019, at 9:25 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: And this is one of the reasons postmodern rhetoric is more pragmatic than

Re: [FRIAM] IT is Not Sustainable

Nick writes: < What role does occam's razor play in software development? Any? Or did it used to, and now it doesn't any more. > Imagine telling a contractor that you wanted a room for watching movies. Instead of looking at the rooms you have, running wires to speakers, and adding

Re: [FRIAM] Celeste Kidd - How to Know

Steve writes: < I don't know how deeply technical the presumed election-manipulation of 2016 (now 2020) is, but it *does* seem like the work you reference here implies that with the information venues/vectors like streaming video (TV, Movies, Clips, attendant advertising) and social media (FB/I

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/psychedelic-drugs-lsd-active-agent-in-magic-mushrooms-to-treat-addiction-depression-anxiety-60-minutes-2019-12-29/ From: Friam on behalf of Roger Critchlow Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 2:04 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Comple

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

https://vimeo.com/69181785 [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.HIDBnQltACgoH5Vl6wxhtQEsCo&pid=Api] Eyeo2013 Ignite #12 - Kevin Slavin Toxoplasmosis vimeo.com From: Friam on behalf of Roger Critchlow Sent: Monda

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

It seems to me the solution is to do nothing. The world has to become relatively toxic and inhospitable. Then people will be unable or unwilling to reproduce, the population will drop, and the earth can heal. From: Friam on behalf of doug carmichael Sent: We

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

k University thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:45 PM To: doug carmichael ; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cli

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Dave writes: < I don't see the point in supporting politicians like Ocasio-Cortez or even Warren and trying to convince people to give up their cars or quit eating meat in order to reduce the amount of carbon being put into the atmosphere, simply because I have zero belief that it will happen.

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Dave writes: < Even more scary are all the side effects as massive migrations that fail to respect existing political boundaries ensue with a concomitant rise in nationalism and all the joys it will bring us.> Tom writes: < So perhaps "existing political boundaries" are no longer a viable or r

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

ly. Marcus From: Friam on behalf of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:48 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions And what treatment do you suggest, Marcus? On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:4

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Question from Merle

Here's one example of what can happen when the federal government tries to protect land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_arson_case It should be so simple: Pay people to do nothing. Marcus From: Friam on behalf of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Sunday, January 5

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Question from Merle

Nick writes: < But we all need to beware of Environment Derangement Syndrome, a state of mind in which we do nothing because it’s all so overwhelming. > There's also the adapt (or leave) option. https://www.wired.com/story/ideas-jason-pontin-genetic-engineering-for-mars/ Marcus __

Re: [FRIAM] Comcast blows! who else does legit internet in town.

Just tested my AT&T fiber: 937 Mbps upload.Different town than you, probably. I had Comcast in Santa Fe. From: Friam on behalf of Gillian Densmore Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 10:54 AM To: "wedt...@redfish.com" , The F

[FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

Waiting for the other shoe to drop.. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mit-review-cites-big-mistakes-taking-epstein-donations-n1113911 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to uns

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

t imply nonprofits should turn down their help? On January 11, 2020 12:35:59 PM PST, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Waiting for the other shoe to drop.. > >https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mit-review-cites-big-mistakes-taking-epst

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

c methods. Does that imply nonprofits should turn down their help? On January 11, 2020 12:35:59 PM PST, Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: >Waiting for the other shoe to drop.. > >https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mit-review-cites-big-mistakes-taking-epste

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

. But he supposedly open sourced his patents and was a member of the dorkbot community. At what point do we forget the origins of some funding? I mean, Bill Gates' money was aggregated via some filthy monopolistic methods. Does that imply nonprofits should turn down their help? On Jan

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

Nick writes: “Why does the potentiality entail the desire? I can plunge a dinner fork into the back of my hand, right now. Surely, you don’t expect me to do so, just because I can.” The premise is that people do things that feel good, and things that are apparently free from negative consequen

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

hompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:54 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout Nick writes: “Why does the potentiality entail the desire? I can plunge a dinner fork into the back

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

Also, with regard to Epstein, I don’t know why you presume emotional modeling of the young women. That would motivate a sadism motive. Pure objectification also seems plausible. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:  Nick writes: "But … just to

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. > I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work. It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

e not about weapons but others know more about that than I. --- Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specialize

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

our local economy is in a far-from-equilibrium state. Bringing more humane education of some kind to Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: It would make sense to put an organization like the Cent

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Merle writes: “I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.” I worked at LANL for more than a decade. I think it is a unique organization that has a lot of great people. If you want to find a prototype for your flawed person template, I’m a perfect fit. Maybe even better th

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its technical staff are our neighbors. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specialize

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its technical staff are our neighbors. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: < There are many powerful p

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Ed writes: “In area in which I’ve worked, there have been large expensive projects at the labs, the quality has been mediocre and the labs are almost totally unrepresented in open conferences and journals. A related issue is that the cost of doing science at the labs is ridiculously high, anoth

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Ed writes: “For those of us concerned with economic development is a state which leads in childhood poverty, the labs are not an asset, largely because of precisely the points we agree on.” Why people have kids when then have no means to support them continues to baffle me. Los Alamos was chos

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Nick writes: < In other words, are the ills you identify inherent to all human institutions, or really only inherent to government ones. Would it be better if CMU put a campus here? > Why would CMU do that unless it was to 1) have a pool of experienced people to hire, or 2) attach to governme

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Nick writes: “People have kids because they have hopes; people with more fears than hopes, probably don’t have kids.” Ed writes: “It seems we who have benefited either directly or indirectly from the welfare that has supported the labs in NM should feel some responsibility to help the 75% of

Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

New cultural event: Pits on the plaza! On Jan 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:  I wonder how the Study Group would feel about nuclear reactors, however small, near the intersection of St Michaels and Cerrillos. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https:/

Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Glen writes: < I remember moving to Santa Fe and hating Cerrillos Rd with all it's little businesses, the trashy look, sections of ill- and un-used properties, peppered with upscale stuff in some spots. > Before brainstorming about how to integrate LANL, etc. into the St. Michael / Cerrillos a

Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

he town, and its citizens just "decoration. We have practically no relationship, and they feel we do not contribute any added value." So sad, and so totally expected. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:30 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Glen writes: < I re

Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

om<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:42 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City H

Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

guys who welcomed me, and made retirement here in Santa Fe possible. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels S

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

Nick: Oh no, you've morphed Glen and myself into an interchangeable entity! You must be flying at high altitude! On 1/16/20, 8:59 AM, "Friam on behalf of thompnicks...@gmail.com" wrote: Marcus, I am not sure I understand what you say here. But I like the idea of "listening

Re: [FRIAM] career choices as combinatoric search

Nick writes: "I wonder if the same kind of argument could be made for a very special sort of computer science program." Understanding large human-engineered codes is becoming intractable. As codes gets larger over time, and staff come and go, they suffer more competing, often overlapping, des

Re: [FRIAM] career choices as combinatoric search

nkwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:18 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Nick writes: "I wonder if the same kind of argument could be made for a very speci

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

Nick writes: "So, in these sorts of situations, people tend to sort themselves out into Dionysians and Apollonians, the former declaring that we're probably fucked and we might as well stay warm, run around in our cars, and burn all the coal we can, and the later declaring that we have a chanc

Re: [FRIAM] MIT students protest prof with SFI ties » Albuquerque Journal

An organization like SFI that depends on rich donors needs to be careful about giving money back when a rich donor proves to have done something sleazy. They could be giving a lot of money back, and most of which they've already spent! Or it could even be more absurd: Appealing to one new d

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

Nick writes (about Glen): “At FRIAM today, some of us were talking with wonder and gratitude about your extra-ordinary ability to read and comment on what others write.” I think he must just not be distracted by Slack. ☺ But seriously, Glen is fast! Marcus ===

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

Nick writes: As software engineers, what conditions would a program have to fulfill to say that a computer was monitoring “itself It is common for codes that calculate things to periodically test invariants that should hold. For example, a physics code might test for conservation of mass

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

niversity thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 12:16 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection N

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

Reasonably easy" is defined as can you solve it in polynomial time. The current algorithms takes exponential time to solve it and even for a moderate size problem that means more time that the age of the universe for a supercomputer to solve it. Pieter On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 23:04, Marcus Daniel

Re: [FRIAM] Trumps motives not judiciable because they are "in his head"

But he impulsively blabs his motives in front of the camera every day? From: Friam on behalf of "thompnicks...@gmail.com" Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 11:37 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject:

Re: [FRIAM] Trumps motives not judiciable because they are "in his head"

Eric writes: “That is why he takes case after case that have no legal merits, to preen by showing that it is the singer — particularly the singer Dershowitz — entirely, and not at al the song.” One would think that after a long career at an elite U.S. university, one might look back on their c

Re: [FRIAM] Trumps motives not judiciable because they are "in his head"

guage to talk. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:36 PM To: T

Re: [FRIAM] Trumps motives not judiciable because they are "in his head"

Glen wrote < FWIW. In a bout of insomnia the other night, I ran across Bryan Caplin's post: "Catholic" vs "Protestant" Ethics https://www.econlib.org/archives/2012/04/catholic_versus.html > The thought that I cannot resist is of former colleagues that would sneer at uninteresting or insuff

Re: [FRIAM] Trumps motives not judiciable because they are "in his head"

Glen writes: < I never know whether you're arguing against or agreeing with me. > I guess I was getting to that. :-) Not that you were claiming it, but I am unconvinced that tradeoffs between creative aspirations and incompetent execution, or competent execution and boring aspirations explai

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

< We say the app failed because the systems failed – humans failed. Humans built a system too complex to handle simple tasks. We often fool ourselves into thinking that speed and convenience are paramount values. So we maximized speed over reliability, data over truth, attention over depth. > I

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

If they tell me some yahoo at "VeriSign" or wherever evaluated it? If I use both a PIN and a pattern to unlock my phone? Etc. You have to take leaps of faith at some point. When/where to do it is the question. On 2/6/20 9:21 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > It is necess

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Jon writes: “However, I would like to draw attention to the idea of critical application software and its place in our culture since the Apollo missions. Applications with respect to military drones, nuclear power plants, hospital equipment, telecommunications, and the like. Perhaps, we as our own

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/opinion/western-society-decadence.html From: Friam on behalf of Jon Zingale Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Friday, February 7, 2020 at 11:55 AM To: "friam@redfish.com" Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite! My intention

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Jon writes: “A rhetoric which can be summarized as: failure legitimizes institutions.” “We continue to form rhetoric about the impossibility of doing otherwise, rather than calling these institutions out for what they are, namely failing to adequately serve their functions.” And one does what wh

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Nick writes: < “More perfect” than what? > Historically, more than a federal government that acts indirectly upon states. A government that can ensure more rights of citizens rather than less. Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group li

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

Nick writes: “Do you have a model in mind? “ Optimistically, the Democrats retake the executive branch and the Senate and extend the Supreme Court. If that doesn’t happen, well, it could be time to make some decisions. As of 2017, the top 25 metropolitan areas in the US make up 50% of the US

Re: [FRIAM] Up and Out vs Down and in

Glen writes: < What matters is to put some active MEAT between the fascists and the [couter]protesters. > I'm seeing app-for-that opportunities. Have you heard of Lugg.com? Now enter Thugg.com, your quick access to a thug in your neighborhood. To busy to drive down to the protest in your

Re: [FRIAM] Up and Out vs Down and in

Just think of the possibilities. https://www.bostondynamics.com/spot  FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.c

Re: [FRIAM] Up and Out vs Down and in

oir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 12:25 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Just think of the possibilities. https://www.bostond

Re: [FRIAM] Up and Out vs Down and in

u/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 12:36 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Up and Out vs Down and in I think it must be destiny.Small flamethrowers, maybe. From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish

Re: [FRIAM] Important video from Merle

The next time around hopefully there will be some Founding Mothers.. From: Friam on behalf of Merle Lefkoff Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM To: Lars Larsson , Stuart Kauffman , Gary Metcalf , Katherine Peil , Steven A

Re: [FRIAM] is it possible that ...

Glen writes: < Is being reasonable the right thing? > I do wonder about Warren, Klobuchar, Sanders, and Buttigieg and their rhetoric trying to pin blame on the divider-in-chief rather than on those that voted for him. It seems like crypto-partisanism to me. They have to be different thing

Re: [FRIAM] is it possible that ...

he nominee, here's hoping that deep down he's a 3D foam of camouflaged steel traps waiting to lop off the fractal tendrils of our squidlike Leviathans. On 2/13/20 8:13 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I do wonder about Warren, Klobuchar, Sanders, and Buttigieg and their > rhetoric tryi

Re: [FRIAM] is it possible that ...

f our squidlike Leviathans" On 2/13/20 8:13 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I do wonder about Warren, Klobuchar, Sanders, and Buttigieg and their rhetoric trying to pin blame on the divider-in-chief rather than on those that voted for him. It seems like crypto-partisanism to me. They have to be

Re: [FRIAM] Celeste Kidd - How to Know

W. F. Donkin wrote: "When several hypotheses are presented to our mind which we believe to be mutually exclusive and exhaustive, but about which we know nothing further, we distribute our belief equally among them This being admitted as an account of the way in which we actually do distrib

Re: [FRIAM] on stupidity

A fundamental assumption is that one shouldn't be disgusting. Being slightly stupid and disgusting isn't redeeming. The meritocracy thing is a straw man. On 2/14/20, 7:02 PM, "Friam on behalf of glen" wrote: https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/02/14/addendum-to-targeting-meritocracy/

Re: [FRIAM] but it feels good

Bugs are often introduced during the maintenance of code. Here's a trivial example. In code that isn't factored, it is common to see large conditionals like this: If (so-and-so) { A few hundred lines of stuff, A Something unique, X More stuff, B } else { A few hundred lines of stu

Re: [FRIAM] on stupidity

Steven writes: < I tend to agree with your intuition that something that seems egregiously "stupid" might well simply be registered in a different basis space... or more aptly "a different value system". > Indeed, like a provincial value system. One that optimizes for local intere

Re: [FRIAM] on stupidity

Yup, define.. Disgustingness = Authority / Fairness ..and that's my point. That said, there are plenty of liberals who favor their own circle of friends and have their own echo chambers. The fear of loss of order mentioned in that article is pretty much one-to-one with authority. Bill Ba

Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

< 2a- does the answer to #2 depend on the definition of "our?" If 'our' is defined inclusively the answer to #2 would seem to be yes, but if 'our' is exclusive or restricted to only those with pro or anti perspectives/convictions, maybe not. > Long-term harm to the Republican party could be

Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

Nick writes: < It might be argued that the whole project is ill-founded because “the Donald” is an individual, and therefore, by definition, not a general. Abduction is to generals. > Change it to the collective crazy known as Trumpism, then. From: Friam on behalf of "thompnicks...@gmail.co

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Glen writes: < Oracle employees plan to walk off the job after boss holds pro-Trump fundraiser https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/13/21136577/larry-ellison-fundraiser-donald-trump-oracle-employees > Looking at it from the perspective of the gig economy, where employees are human resources

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

< But now, that era is coming to an end. It's more true now that Turkey *is* Erdoğan, the US *is* Trump, Oracle is Ellison, etc. > My point, putting on my anarchist hat, is that is less bad if the organizations are deeply compromised in the process. If Oracle doesn't make it in light of Micr

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

< Right. But if I'm right and the *trend* is toward unitarity in the executive, then the trend is *against* breaking up the organizations for which they are vessels. The Oracle (and Google) employees are tilting at windmills in a hopeless quest. They *are* useful idiots because they don't know

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Steve writes: < "But when and how do we force the system into an anarchist mode of exploration?" I don't know the term off the top of my head, but I think there is one which fits a similar role to that of annealing (both in materials science and computer simulation) where the dimensionality is "

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

need are specific and particular *triggers* which, when identified, launch the field/heat increase to re-dimensionalize the discussion. Similarly, I'd argue we need specific and particular triggers to launch a dampening effort to cool down, reduce, the discussion from a high dimensional riot into m

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Glen writes: < I'm not sure if it really takes emotional intelligence in the hoity-toity sense of that phrase. I think it merely takes recognition that you do have triggers. Anyone who's done something rash and has regrets should be capable of understanding they have triggers. > Ok, there's a

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Glen writes: < I'm talking about a) being *aware* of one's triggers and b) where there are none, *installing* them. You're talking about triggering the way the right wingers talk about it ... as if it's a bad thing. My point in arguing with Steve's position is that reduction, triggering is a Go

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