April 18, 2013 8:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Somewhat hilariously, I'd say he's made things difficult for himself
with that spammy style of email. If it'd been as straight forward as
"folks, the company is shutting u
t: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi.
I have a copy of the complete package, I purchased it this morning as I for
the most part enjoyed the classic BSC games.
All the best, Ibrahim.
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titles alive due to a lack of 75 bcks to forkover.
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From: Scott Chesworth
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Somewhat hilariously, I'd
Well, yeah. that to.
On 19/04/2013, shaun everiss wrote:
> dallas you mean that when he takes over the gaming world all others
> that don't play by his rules are changed into zombies and put in his
> dungeon of swamp for us to shoot.
> Oh its good to work for the dark master hehehehe
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dallas you mean that when he takes over the gaming world all others
that don't play by his rules are changed into zombies and put in his
dungeon of swamp for us to shoot.
Oh its good to work for the dark master hehehehe
At 04:10 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
yep, thomas, by that time, aprone will h
yep, thomas, by that time, aprone will have taken over the audio
gaming world, ... um, ... thats if he hasn't already. lol. and he will
likely have either driven other devs out, or forced them to up their
skills, and bring out games to compete. ahaha. that can only be a good
thing, of course. witho
Lol, sounds like a cool game idea!
At 01:39 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
You are absolutely right scot justin is not bad but the way he
worded his posting has sertainly put him right in the mud pit.
and I think I would be one of those chucking the mud.
At 02:26 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
Somewhat hi
You are absolutely right scot justin is not bad but the way he worded
his posting has sertainly put him right in the mud pit.
and I think I would be one of those chucking the mud.
At 02:26 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
Somewhat hilariously, I'd say he's made things difficult for himself
with that sp
aah, thats good to know kara.
I wander if this could be a community thing, to long have we wandered
and wined about thing, maybe if everyone that can put in something
we could get the cash for an offer this could potentually make one of
the core companies to be owned by the gaming community at
Somewhat hilariously, I'd say he's made things difficult for himself
with that spammy style of email. If it'd been as straight forward as
"folks, the company is shutting up shop because of this that and the
other on this date in May, but you can grab our key generator for $75
and keep your existing
Here is the complete Email that I was sent. While it doesn't list
everything that was produced, I think most are mentioned. It also is what
Justin is going to be doing, what he is offering, and why:
of high intention, sincere effort,
intelligent direction, and skillful execution!"
- Ori
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Oudinot
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Let's see.
Classic Pipe and Pipe 2, Blast Chamber;
Troopanum 1 and 2;
Hu
Hi Michael,
Off the top of my head Pipe Classic, Pipe Blast Chamber, Troopenum
Classic, Troopenum II, Hunter, Crazy Darts, Deekout, Bobby's Revenge,
Chopper Patrol, a word game, and maybe one or two other freebies.
Cheers!
On 4/18/13, michael barnes wrote:
> Can someone give me a list of all th
Let's see.
Classic Pipe and Pipe 2, Blast Chamber;
Troopanum 1 and 2;
Hunter;
Word Strain Vols. 1 and 2;
Crazy Darts;
and Sonic Match. I think that's it, although maybe Bobby's Revenge and
the original Deakout fall under that umbrella as well, but don't quote
me on that.
On 4/18/13, michael barnes
Can someone give me a list of all the games that Justin has made?
Thanks!
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Hi Dallas,
That's definitely a good point you raised. Most of this community is
very slow to change, and right now even though Windows 8 is the new OS
most people are still using XP. With Windows 8 having almost 10 years
of support left any real compatibility issues are still way down the
road ye
HI shaun, the site contact page should be up now.
I tried contacting Justin yesterday afternoon about purchasing the company or
the rights to the software and the send failed.
I then emailed him and did get a response letting me know that he did repair
the site contact area and that he'd alread
les Rivard wrote:
>>
>>We have abilities that improve the business
>>world, if we are allowed to enter it. The
>>unemployment rate is far higher in the blind
>>community than in the community of the
>>sighted. It is mostly due to prejudice against
>>u
L o l
sorry insent messages habits die hard
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Hi Shaun and all,
Unfortunately, I don't have Justin's current contact info. A couple of
people have asked me for this information, and let me state for the
record I don't have anything newer than the old BSC Games addresses
which of course have been gone for at least a year or so. So I don't
have
Dark,
I don't think it's your place to call him greedy, and I don't think
it's his job to provide support if he doesn't want to. He created
those games, he built and wrote them and put time into them, and he
can charge anything he wants for it, for as long as he retains
ownership. He never claim
blindsoftware does have a twitter and facebook and official messages
could be put through those things.
I heard that someone on here has contact with the support person of
blindsoftware privately now we could use that contact to get justin
to at least make a statement or come on here if its pos
I agree with you, its a danger, I do hope that we will be able to get
something done before closing time but I intend to do just that if
it doesn't happen, I need to backup the games to online storage for
myself as it is, I won't distribute right now but it won't be to
much to do so.
Then ag
well if the contact emails on the blindsoftware page worked and were
not overloaded or not working I'd have sent this debate to him.
but they havn't worked since the end of last year.
At 04:38 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
Hi Shaun and all,
Justin is not on the Audyssey mailing list, and has not be
agree on this, eventually if this doesn't get a final hashing with
him a thing that we will do if and when he gets on here, heck who knows.
after it closes though eventually the games will freely be avalible
no matter what.
yet again if he comes on to talk then we may yet solve this however
he
you are right on that I guess its the part of me that realises all
our classic games could potentually die and be gone.
I saw those games come into full products.
I saw and tested shades of doom when it was a baby.
So I am a bit closer to the older stuff.
no it won't kill us, but it will take a w
I agree on both points, the clearance store thing never crossed my
mind but that could be true to the fact that a lot of stores here in
nz are always in sale and clearance mode due to the economy.
Yeah that also crossed my mind.
But on that point I think its fair to say that just about every
de
I know we didn't but there are a few here that choose to read my
mails wrongly.
As you well know my temper has a tendency to go firy like when I
really get compationit about something.
I don't have the energy or time for a mud slinging match on here.
At 03:03 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote:
Hi
tom well if you or anyone in the list has his private email or
something and can get him to talk before blindsoftware closes then I
am all ears I am sure everyone wants to hear his side and hash out a deal.
after blindsoftware closes though the games will continue to flow no
matter what.
if he
I pretty much agree with what you and thomas said. Unfortunately it
appears that the contact form on the site is broken. It doesn't help
that Justin is a very private man (I'm not aware if he has a facebook or
twitter profile that we could reach him), which is a real shame since it
would be a g
Hi Tom.
You said it yourself, it's because! he's not offering support or continuance
of the software in the future that makes this different from a closing down
sale. also, I feel he is bein greedy because he is not considdering the fact
that unlike when any other shop closes, you won't be abl
Hi Shaun and all,
Justin is not on the Audyssey mailing list, and has not been for a
very very long time. So don't expect him to suddenly chime in because
this entire debate is not even being
transmitted to the people who are in a position
to do something about it. We are me
Hi.
I can appreciate that Justin has other commitments, but I am a little
bothered that basically he's prophiting from these and then letting them die
out. myself, I'd be much happier if he did as Dan Zingaro did and offer a
keygen along with making the games abandonware. i'll likely buy them
hI
Well I kind of agry with u on this, but I think thay should tell u
something about the game like what it is about, but not tell u the releas
date. So it builds up your excitement on the game. So when it does come out
people r more exsided 2 play it. They should just say things like it's
Hi Shaun,
Well, I don't worry too much about Draconis Entertainment. Josh has
already started porting his games to iOS, Mac, and Windows using the
new Draconis Engine and I'm sure over the next couple of years or so
more games will follow. As for the rest of the companies on your list
we have to w
Hello there
Very well put.
Bfn
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Hi Dark,
Well, I have mixed feelings about what Justin is doing. While his
actions may seem greedy he never made any claims to be giving these
games away for charity. BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com have always
been commercial ventures so in that light he is doing what any
business person would do
Hi Shaun,
No, we didn't pressure Justin, but I think he made his reasons
perfectly clear on his blog. When he started Blindsoftware.com he was
young, single, and had plenty of time to write games and other
applications. Now he is married, has kids, and a full time job the BSC
Games and Blindsoftwa
Hello Dark
Yes I totally agry with u on this. Greed rules the world, but at
least there r so many on here that r not willing 2 let these games die.
Bfn
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Hi Shaun and all,
Before we all say its OK to just pirate the games or share them around
I think we should first get Justin's input on it. Remember even though
he is basically abandoning them he still retains copyrights on all of
that software and if he wanted to he could hold people legally liabl
hI there
Yes but will u b abel 2 dropbox the setup.exe files 2 people?
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What's with all those numbers? LOL.
But thou must!
-Original Message-
From: James Bartlett
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:14 AM
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi
So where do I send my $5 to. I have 2 imit I have ne
Hi
So where do I send my $5 to. I have 2 imit I have never played 1 of
there games, but games r like books 2 me, and we need 2 hold on and keep
them safe. Not only 4 ower gen but 4 ower kids and there kids and so on and
so on. In order 2 know where u r going u have 2 know where u have been
Hello
Can some1 give me the link so I can check it out b4 they close.
Thank u
James
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From: Thomas Ward [mailto:thomasward1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi Kelly,
I am glad you
hmmm well they will definately come out for all, it would be nice if
he was nice about it, but oh well they will be uploaded, I just
didn't a core dev would behave like this, everyone saw what happened
with james north, and its not like we preasured justin or anything.
Then again part of me is w
Hi Tom.
well as you know, you and I have very different schemas for upgrades. Myself
I'd think of it the other way around, and if microsoft don't give me the
ability to play older programs like! the Bsc games, why should I upgrade my
windows anyway? But we've had that conversation previously.
ing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors!
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
HI Shaun and all;
This is my point for my earlier q
nd user, I don't have
a clue.
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To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
> Hey, Charles.
ring it.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
HI Shaun a
as I said they are closing and sertainly should responded to this thing.
they aint and as it is if they are gone they are gone.
True in about 10 years or so we may have a problem but this is with
every vb6 game not just blindsoftware.
And at any rate it aint the end, it will just be the norm fo
you are right about blindsoftware games may not work after win8.
this thing will effect a fair number of companies that still use vb6
however in their games.
jim kitchen, pcs, gma, lworks, aprone all those are still vb6.
all of those well a few are core companies.
draconis maybe to.
so everyone
oh no doubt we are seeing a smaller market version of exageration.
in the big arket there are are a lot of crappy games and crappy
companies the impact is smaller though a company or game may get bad
reviews from time to time.
this market is quite small so any critisism and any other ism will
michael I partially aggree with you.
The reason I don't fully aggree is that a quiet dev could be put as
not doing anything and could put a user like myself thinking nothing
is going on, or simplay that they have gone or anything.
True jim has never said he is doing anything, when he does someth
mers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Will the games and software be abandonware?
Sent from my iPod
On Apr 17, 2013, at 4:38 PM, "blindle...@aol.com" wrote:
i am sorry to hear that ,i real liked blindso
Yes, I think it would be good if Justin was in this thread.
I myself had gave programing a chance, but I was not successful at it.
It is sad to see a company that develop games for the blind close their doors.
I am thinkful that there are still other people out there who are still
in the game dev
Well disireou that was exactly my thoughts.
I would have a bit more firy but its the jist of my own thing.
from the outside it looks like there is nothing going on.
I guess in a small market you become more
critical of your products you are buying.
At 02:04 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote:
Hi Cara,
I'
well not all of us are suited to this.
I am not a programmer never managed to handle
one, when I did it with classes I always forgot
things and stuffed everything up.
I wasn't that good, and it wasn't something I
liked doing as a hobby either saying that others may.
At 01:24 PM 4/18/2013, you
thats true, now if only there is a way to contact him about this with
anything other than the official site addresses as they don't work,
he really does need to be in on this thread.
At 01:23 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote:
Hi Dark,
You know, that is one of the reasons I'm reluctant to squeeze the $
Hey, Shawn.
I think it's great that you are willing to give the games out for free!
I had purchased all of the games except the word games.
I personally feel that I shouldn't have to buy the key gen to
reactivate the games when I have to restore my PC.
However if I get a copy of this package I wi
well once the company is closed failing any instruction we can
probably put them online, something needs to be done else they will
be lost in any case.
official place is the best but if not, indeviduals like myself will
probably do it, though it really doesn't have the impact it should have.
A
oh well, people that don't buy will need the games, and they will be uploaded.
I don't aggree with him either, I am not going out to just pirate.
now once the company is gone its a different matter.
I plan to buy to say thanks to justin but I need to upload for
backup, and well who knows.
he was
well once they are closed there shouldn't be any problem with just
putting all of them online somewhere maybe with the appropriate page.
I can't actually perminantly do it but I am going to upload the games
to my dropbox cloud as part of my backup of those files if I get them.
unless justin says
I aggree tom I got the arcade pack, and while the games and other
stuff should be preserved online after blindsoftware closes, and
although I could wait for that to happen I am going to buy the pack
to say thanks to justin nothing more.
At 10:24 AM 4/18/2013, you wrote:
Hi Michael,
I agree w
I plan to get everything, once I have it thats fine.
later ofcause I guess it can be shared and true I could wait for that
but I will buy the pack reguardless.
At 10:18 AM 4/18/2013, you wrote:
I might purchased the key gen.
I am only doing this so that everyone on here can get the games and
true but I will get everything and thats fine.
ofcause I will be putting the installers on a backup drive a cd and
my dropbox just be happy that things are as they are.
This doesn't mean that once its all over that the games will be dead
bar to those that had them, after all they will be no more
elly Sapergia"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:40 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi,
I apologize if this has already been posted to the list. I just read a
blog entry on www.blindsoftware.com that they're closing on May 15, and
that they're offering
s that I bought and
> played in the summer of 2008
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Sapergia"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:40 AM
>> Subject: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
Hi Sky,
Yes, that is the point. Since Blindsoftware.com is going out of
business Justin will not be continuing development on any of his games
Pipe, Troopenum, Hunter, etc. If he won't be updating those games for
PC users he obviously won't be making them available for your iPhone,
Android, or sim
Hi Charles,
That is a tricky question to answer. Since a key generator can create
the keys for an unlimited number of copies of the game, even for
people who didn't buy the generator, it is rather difficult to put a
price on something like that. However, I don't think it should be
worth more than
ing on the door is not entering it.
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From: "Cara Quinn"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftwar
know if it was the
display, or if it was just me, but I had poor bluetuth issues. The Focus 40
Blue worked fine with the iPhone
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From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:23 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
n end user, I don't
have a clue.
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From: "michael barnes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hey, Cha
I do see your point, but I wonder if this is all exaggerated because
the blind community is smaller. We have this list, the Audiogames
forum, and maybe a couple of other specialized online communities such
as the zone and Klango where games are discussed. So when 20 people
gang up on a developer, f
ot;
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi Desiree,
thanks for your note!
I'm actually not sure we're differing here. :)
I agree with you and that's why I said people really need to make this worth
a developer's
From: shaun everiss
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:30 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
I don't have the space for a server but I may buy the games and other
things part of me thinks there should be a cast or something with
messages on
.
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From: "Cara Quinn"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
HI Shaun and all;
Thi
Hey, Charles.
That is one of the reasons I mention that Justin should give those of
us who purchased the games a key gen for those games that we paid for.
If we all wanted the other software then we should be able to purchase
the ones we want and be able to get the key gen with it.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Yeah, that would be great!
As a matter of fact it would be great if you could just pick the key gens
you want.
If you have already paid for the games or other software he should give
rammatical and spelling
errors!
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From: "Sky Mundell"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi.
It is very sad to see blindsoftware closing down. I used to pla
Well, that is why I like people who work on a game and don't tell us
the release date.
For exsample when Jim Kitchen is working on a game he says nothing
about the game, release date, etc.
When he has finish working on a game and it is ready for the public
then he shares with us.
I think that de
Justin could answer that.
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From: "Devin Prater"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is
Hi Desiree,
thanks for your note!
I'm actually not sure we're differing here. :)
I agree with you and that's why I said people really need to make this worth a
developer's time.
Which means; losing some of the entitlement attitude and taking more active
roles in making audio games a more viab
I don't have the space for a server but I may buy the games and other
things part of me thinks there should be a cast or something with
messages on how justin has changed lives industry for games, etc and
have it emailed to him or something, unfortunately due to issues some
personal ones I won'
il 17, 2013 10:18 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi Bryan,
I know. I don't have the $75 right now or I would buy it and then
share the key generator with everyone who can't afford it so that we
could keep those games alive. Hopefully someone
Well said Desiree. And I' still waiting for my lines for Airik 2.
But thou must!
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From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:04 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi Cara,
I'm not sure I agree
Hi Cara,
I'm not sure I agree with your assessment. In theory, it sounds nice,
but what I have noticed over the years, and this is coming from a
casual audio game player, not a developer, is that making audio games
is a pretty thankless job. Because of the smaller market, people tend
to want more w
HI Shaun and all;
This is my point for my earlier question this week about how much people would
be willing to pay for games.
If we as a community want games we need to make it worth someone's time
developing them. We need to offer a reason for people to stay with this. People
need to survive
Hi Dark,
You know, that is one of the reasons I'm reluctant to squeeze the $75
out of my bank account to get this pack of games and software. I would
be paying that money, money I don't really have to spend right now, on
games that will never be upgraded and supported after I pay for them.
That re
well yeah someone could share the games even.
after blindsoftware is well and truely closed that is.
I don't have space to host things, I may have some dropbox space but
really we will see.
At 04:18 AM 4/18/2013, you wrote:
Hi Bryan,
I know. I don't have the $75 right now or I would buy it an
ppointing since they were pretty much the first
audio games I ever played and evennow I enjoy them.
But thou must!
-Original Message- From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:50 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi Kelly,
I am g
yeah, I decided since I will be replacing things to kill my coppies
so I then don't decide that I would need to crack them later.
I am not sure if I will buy the program package but if I manage to
get the funding I will.
Its probably only words, this couldn't have happened at a worse time.
I hav
Actually it's been more like nine years since they released anything.
But thou must!
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From: shaun everiss
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:53 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
yeah I heard about that kelly.
yeah I heard about that kelly.
its a real shame but oh well they havn't released a game in the last
year anyway.
saying that if blindgame industry is just a hobby then we could in
deed be facing something, ie if we actually got real lives, the
industry will die.
its probably not going to come t
Yeah, that would be great!
As a matter of fact it would be great if you could just pick the key
gens you want.
If you have already paid for the games or other software he should give
you freely the key gen for those products.
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Agreed. That at least would have made sense.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Hi.
It is very sad to see blindsoftware closing down. I used to
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> From: Desiree Oudinot
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:05 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
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> Also, some of those games and programs, su
Hi.
It is very sad to see blindsoftware closing down. I used to play these
games, and it is very shocking to see it closing down. I'd like to see the
games made abandonware, like some of the abandonware game, and be able to
have a keygen to unlock them just like Self Distruct, and Tarzan Junior
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
I agree as well. As someone who purchased copies of a couple of those
games, I don't like the fact that you have to buy the whole package. I
wish there was a system in place where you could just check the boxes
of the
You didn't misread.
But thou must!
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From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BlindSoftware.com Is Closing
Also, some of those games and programs, such as Crazy Darts, Sonic
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