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- Original Message -
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Audysse
Mailing lists and forums are just different, and serve different purposes.
While I can confidently claim to prefer mailing lists for lots of technical
reasons, and have on more than one occasion in the past declared my hatred of
forums on this list, I strongly suggest people actually have a goo
Hi.
Look at it like this. I haven't been on the audyssey forum in years. I
don't think to go out and navigate to a webpage and click my way through
threads over coffee or anything like that. It only works on me if I have
the content thrown at me where I can group by conversation and hit
delete
Hi Dark,
Well, I certainly see the advantages and disadvantages of both which
is why I put the question to the list. I like forums myself
personally, but I also agree there are advantages to a mailing list
that others prefer. Its not a question of right or wrong but simply a
matter of preference.
Hi Tom.
That is true, though bare in mind just as you as list moderator need to
monitor list traffic for ontopic subjects, equally I do spend a surprisingly
large amount of my own time on audiogames.net booting threads into the right
area of the forum, since some people have a habbit of gettin
Hi Dark,
Lol! That's funny. I just asked my dog to find a gremlin and she just
lifted her head, gave me a doggy look, and went back to sleep. Either
she doesn't know what one looks like or doesn't care. Its noon and
probably near her nap time.
Cheers!
On 11/17/13, dark wrote:
> Hi Tom.
>
> Wel
Hi Dark,
Well, I don't think mailing lists are old fashioned per say I just
personally feel forums do have the advantage of supporting more
members as well as being able to organize threads by topic. As you
know on Audiogames.net there are different categories such as general,
new releases, off to
On the other hand, it's far easier to step into a conversation mid way
through with a mailing list.
For example, lets say we were discussing dRaconis' new title, which a none
Iphone user would obviously find a less interesting topic. Then however I
could see this leading back to a discussion
Hi Tom.
Well at least in britain, gremlin legends started as a way to explain the
various faults and breakdowns experienced by plane pilots in the second
world war. It started out as a bit of a joke, indeed when I was quite young
I once knewa vicar who was himself a pilot during the war and u
Hi Tom.
Well I know people do comment about mailing lists being old fashioned, but
actually there are still lots of them around and likely to be more
considdering that people now get E-mail on their tablets, phones, even tvs,
heck, there are still! some very well established newsgroups out the
Or when Gizmo got wet LOL.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:08 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hi Shaun
Ah, but I have mail filters set up with mailboxes that I haven’t, uh, perused
in quite awhile. I could not handle mailing-list messages going to my inbox,
unless the mailing list is very small. This one isn’t. :)
Teresa
Slow down; you'll get there faster.
On Nov 16, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Thomas Wa
Hi Shaun,
Well, that may be the case, but that is really the advantage of a
forum. A person can go to the forum, click on the new link, and use
the h key to look at all the various threads with new posts and only
read the ones of interest. If there is a thread on BK2 and I have no
interest in that
I agree I like both.
I have a big time trying to access everything I want in audiogames.
These days I only really go down the first 3-4 topics on each topic
page and every sub forum.
There are to many to view them all.
And there are spam posters, and other things to.
Sometimes the audiogames fo
Hi Charles,
I forgot about that, but yes you are right. Although, when I was
talking about gremlins I was not talking about the car either. :D
Cheers!
On 11/16/13, Charles Rivard wrote:
> A Gremlin is also a small car made by Chevrolet. (another grin)
>
> ---
> Shepherds are the best beasts,
Hi Charles,
You might want to go read it again. I did not write fed but f'ed.
There is an apostrophe between the f and the ed. That is the universal
way to abbreviate the f word without spelling it all the way out. :D
Cheers!
On 11/16/13, Charles Rivard wrote:
> Fed??? I was thinking of a dif
Hi Cara,
Thanks for the info. It was a while ago since using Google Groups,
perhaps a year or so, and I'm definitely not up to speed with their
new interface. In any case I'm trying to fix our mail server on
Audyssey, and won't be going to a new service until we have run out of
options to fix our
: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hi Charles,
At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
it. However, fubar is about right. The word
ot;Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
> Hi Charles,
>
> At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
> it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym
Hi Thomas,
Not sure how long ago you used G Groups, but this last round of changes has
happened over like the last two or three months.
Just sayin'
Smiles,
Cara :)
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homas Ward"
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:35 PM
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hi Cara,
Yeah, I know. I used Google Groups a while back, and their list
management interface was pretty poor accessibility wise. I could do
it,
2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hi Charles,
At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym for
f'ed up beyond all recognition. That sums up the situation nicely.
Cheers!
A Gremlin is also a small car made by Chevrolet. (another grin)
---
Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second.
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:08 AM
Subject: Re:
This sounds definitely like something to try before switching things over to
another service.
Teresa
On the other hand, there are different fingers.
On Nov 16, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi Shaun,
>
> That is of course one possibility. Worst case we will delete the
> Audyssey acc
Hi Shaun,
That is of course one possibility. Worst case we will delete the
Audyssey account and start over from scratch in the hopes that we get
a fresh setup because the issue isn't the server or the software
itself. We are running on the assumption that when transferring the
Audyssey CPanel conf
Here all this time I thought FUBAR had different words. *l*
On 16-Nov-2013 12:12 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Charles,
At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym for
f'ed up beyond all recognition. That su
Hi Charles,
At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym for
f'ed up beyond all recognition. That sums up the situation nicely.
Cheers!
On 11/15/13, Charles Rivard wrote:
> Is it fubar?, or is it snafu.
>
>
Hi Shaun,
Lol! Wrong kind of gremlin. Here in America whenever something goes
wrong with a piece of equipment, software fails, mechanical failure,
etc we jokingly blame the problem on a gremlin which is not the same
thing as the gremlins in the gremlins movie. Gremlins according to
folk tales are
Hi Dark,
Well, your opinion seems to be widely supported by many list members
so no matter what we will be keeping this list for a good long time.
I'm not exactly certain who will be hosting this list, but I can say
for certain we won't be moving to a forum as many list members are
flat out agains
Hi Kelly,
definitely agree. I'm against Yahoo Groups on grounds of
accessibility. Accessibility was one of the main reasons why Raul and
I moved the list away from there, but we also got sick and tired of
the spam and other garbage that went with Yahoo. So as far as I'm
concerned Yahoo Groups is a
Hi Nicol,
I suppose Freelists.org might be a possibility, but I'm waiting to
hear back from the server admins before I make any final decisions as
to what to do with the list. The one thing I will say is wherever we
take the list has to be able to handle the list traffic. This is a
moderately acti
Hi Cara,
Yeah, I know. I used Google Groups a while back, and their list
management interface was pretty poor accessibility wise. I could do
it, but nowhere as accessible or straight forward as Mailman is.
Cheers!
On 11/15/13, Cara Quinn wrote:
> Hi again, Thomas,
>
> Just to clarify, I am talk
Hi Sly,
That was my concern as well. Personally I like forums, but as there is
already a gaming forum we don't really need a second one. Thus I was
interested to know how many members was in favor of keeping the list
all be it from a different server/host.
Cheers!
On 11/15/13, sylvester thomas
Hi again, Thomas,
Just to clarify, I am talking about the GoogleGroups interface for managing
groups, not the member interface.
The management experience at this point is just awful from a blindness
perspective.
Thanks,
Cara :)
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View my Online P
HI Thomas, let me kindly try to steer you away from GoogleGroups. I mod several
Google Groups and have done so for years now.
Unfortunately, of late, their interface has become all but unusable, at least
on a Mac with VO.
I'm actually thinking of moving my groups somewhere else because of this.
I already have a Postfix and Mailman setup on a public IP address under my
control that comes up clean. If the list has nowhere else to go, and you don't
mind the "Best effort no guarantees something really bad could happen at any
time" conditions, I'd be happy to look into virtual-hosting the A
Hi there,
I agree. Or perhaps, make both available? I like using googlegroups
myself. Ultimately though, whatever is easiest for you.
Tyler
- On 11/14/2013 9:23 PM, Danielle Antoine wrote:
I vote for yahoogroups or googlegroups.
On 11/14/13, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hello, List:
I know a number
Hi,
I would prefer a mailing list. I have much more work with checking a forum
for things I want and don't want to read than with a mailing list. Besides,
we do have the audiogames.net forum already.
Best regards
Sarah
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From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:39 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
> Hello, List:
>
> I know a number of you have been having technical issues with the
> Audyssey Mailing List ever since
Freelists is an excellent idea. I also have a list there, and it was extremely
easy to set up. It takes a few hours for it to be approved, but that’s the only
real holdup.
Teresa
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too
dark to read."--Groucho Marx
On Nov 14
Hi,
I would prefer to have a mailing list rather than a forum, but I wouldn't go
with Yahoo Groups anymore as the site has become hard to use ever since they
switched to a different CMS or something. Lots of sighted people are also
complaining about it from what I read. I wonder if Freelists m
Would strongly agree to keeping E-mail list!
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:40 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hello, List:
I know a number
Hi Tom.
I'm afraid I'd not be in favour of an audeasy forum, simply because there
already is! an accessible games forum, and frankly I would have too much
business checking two forums, also it'd make it quite difficult for
developers and others to communicate on both systems.
I'd personally
olute last resort. Thanks.
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finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:39 PM
Subject:
Well catch it and stick it in the microwave
if you have seen the gremlin 1 and 2 films you will know what I am
talking about.
hmm also I think the film mentioned not feading it after mightnight.
Dark have you being feeding the gremlin again or something
At 06:02 PM 11/15/2013, you wrote:
Hi
PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hi Ryan,
Yes, I know. What I believe happened when we moved the Audyssey
account from one webhost to another something got fubar in the
process, and we have had problems ever since. If we can't locate said
problems we may have to just delete th
al Message - From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:39 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hello, List:
I know a number of you have been having technical issues with the
Audyssey Mailing List ever since we cha
Well I guess if we had to go forum then we could go forum.
I still like the list idea, I barely have the time to make it through
the audiogames forum as I always have a lot to cover, the general,
the new games, the articles and news and offtopics.
True I don't read all of it but often things do
I vote for yahoogroups or googlegroups.
On 11/14/13, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hello, List:
>
> I know a number of you have been having technical issues with the
> Audyssey Mailing List ever since we changed servers a few months back.
> Some of you have been unsubscribed from the list without warning
Greetings Thomas!
I too would prefere a mailing list to a forum.
If I want to read a forum I would just go to audiogames.net, no need
for 2 blind gameing forums.
Sly's 2 cents
On 11/14/13, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> Yes, I know. What I believe happened when we moved the Audyssey
> account
Hi Ryan,
Yes, I know. What I believe happened when we moved the Audyssey
account from one webhost to another something got fubar in the
process, and we have had problems ever since. If we can't locate said
problems we may have to just delete the account and recreate it from
scratch. That would be
And causing you head aches i bet.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hi Lisa,
Mor
Hello,
Mailman is a very popular, and successfully runs in places with many more
members than here. It's the servers fault, not Mailman. Perhaps it would
run better if you could have control over it yourself Thomas, on a VPS or
something similar?
Thanks.
-Ryan
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Th
Hi Lisa,
More like a gremlin got hold of my server and has been messing with
Mailman. Everything else seems to be working just fine, but the list,
the main thing we got this server for, is jinxed.
On 11/14/13, Lisa Hayes wrote:
> well blame the grew, i hope that this situation can be resolved
Hi Ian,
It is easier to do than you might think. Most list management software
allows list admins to export and import subscriber lists and things
like that so it isn't all that complicated. It all could be moved in a
couple of hours if I were going to actually do it. However, I'm going
to give th
w
ell blame the grew, i hope that this situation can be resolved.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Imp
Well let's go with googlegroups then.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hi Char
Hi Lisa,
Jim is still here, but for some reason when he tries to post to the
list his messages vanish into cyberspace. I have actually just filed
another bug report with the server admin to find out why he can't send
posts to this list. It is beginning to bug me that ever since we
switched servers
Hi Charles,
Well, in my opinion google Groups is more accessible than Yahoo Groups
for the simple fact Google does offer an audio Captcha for blind
users. Granted the audio Captchas are sometimes hard to hear you can
get as many audio Captchas as you need until you find one you can use
to create a
ent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:39 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hello, List:
I know a number of you have been having technical issues with the
Audyssey Mailing List ever since we changed servers a few months back.
Some of you have been unsubscribed from the list without wa
Hey, Thomas.
I actually like the email instead of forum.
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You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audy
I have never hosted a mailing list on Yahoo or Google, but if you find
them inaccessible consider http://www.freelists.org/
I host a mailing list on it and find the administration interface very
accessible with many options for customizing headers, footers, welcome
messages, etc.
That said, I
eally! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:39 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message
Hello, List:
I know a number of you have been having technical issues with the
A
Hello, List:
I know a number of you have been having technical issues with the
Audyssey Mailing List ever since we changed servers a few months back.
Some of you have been unsubscribed from the list without warning or
notification, some of your accounts were automatically put on no mail
by Mailman
Actually, that's not correct. When it emails me an update about the post, it
puts a copy of the post in the email as well. Not sure why you're not getting
the same thing, but it's doing it for me.
Regards:
Dallas
On 20/03/2013, at 23:23, "dark" wrote:
> Yes, audiogames.net also has that featu
k manually.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Dallas O'Brien"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message for the List
Hi,
On the other hand, if the forum is set
Hi,
On the other hand, if the forum is set up correctly, you can subscribe to
threads with your email address. In which case new posts to the thread will be
delivered to your mailbox much like an email list. However, there is still
something about an email list that lends itself to what we're do
Hi Tom.
I agree on the topic structure being good in forums, though in fairness
deleting messages in a thread I'm not interested in on a mailing list isn't
too much trouble either.
Just as an informational point however, when looking on the index, the
general "new" link at the top will indee
Hi Dark,
I for one agree with you. If people want to have a forum for off topic
messages why not use the Audiogames.net forum. It already has an off
topic room for this purpose. Once again, it begs the question, why
reinvent the wheel?
Besides that not everyone, myself included, necessarily want
I aadmit I'm a little biased on this, what with being admin of the
audiogames.net forum etc, but what would be the point? People are quite free
to use the offtopic room of audiogames.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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If you want to leave the list, send
Hi tom.
well in fairness all you need to actually do to get the new posts on a forum
is click the "new posts" link. Some forums I admit can be a pest to
navigate, but punbb, and especially the customized version of punbb that
audiogames.net uses tends to be fine.
while I agree mailing list d
I don't mean kill the email list but have both, in fact moving the
offtopic stuff to a forum could do something but yeah I know what you mean.
I look at email 100 times a day and only look at the audiogames
forum once or twice a day only posting every so often rather
than well more often.
At
Hi Dark,
That's understandable. I would probably not visit Audiogames.net as
often if Audyssey had a forum since there wouldn't be a need to check
both forums as often.
With the list setup it is much easier than a forum anyway because
messages get delivered directly to your e-mail inbox. Every ti
Actually, if the audeasy list did! change to a forum, I would probably be a
less frequent visitor myself, since I don't particularly have the time to
check two sets of forums a day, though one forum and one mailing list are
okay.
all the best,
Dark.
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HI,
Thanks for the clarifications Thom.
One other thing that list members can do is to send messsages as plain text.
For the most part plain text is sufficient. Sending as plain text decreases
the size of each message by a lot. Of course it is better to send links and
such as html.
HTH.
Sher
I'm not careful with the trimming either, and need to do better at it. Too
bad you can't get a reminder every time you write a message lol.
- Original Message -
From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:45 PM
Subject: Re:
I agree with Tom's thoughts as far as moderation goes, and I do confess I'm
not always careful to trim my messages either.
On the forum point, it's actually surprising how many people only are in one
place or the other, or are in one place the majority of the time and only
look in on the other
I think the list and such will change once we have a forum like
audiogames.net does of a sort.
there are rooms for general, new stuff, news and offtopic stuff and
while I used to hate forums with a passion they kind of grew on me
and well I like both obviously email is my first choice to look a
t Labs are a close second.
- Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message for the List
Hi all,
I don't want to sound like a serious hard case here, but there
work on my messages, that's
for sure. I appreciate the work you do. Thanks.
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- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: [
Well spam and other junk as well as this type of user to user
arguing seem to be a feature of not just this list but other places.
I have not seen it appear really at all on the audiogames forum as
bad though we get spam bots.
Unfortunately its happened on klango to the degree where I have
term
This is why a lot of devs don't even want a part of this list.
Memebers are to childish and think they control all game makers.
At 04:59 PM 8/16/2011, you wrote:
Hi all,
it has come to my attention that a few of you have decided to send
some negative messages to Skynet regarding their recent d
Hi all,
it has come to my attention that a few of you have decided to send
some negative messages to Skynet regarding their recent down time, and
I shouldn't have to tell you that this is unacceptable behavior.
First of all, they will only talk to me regarding the server
administration or web acc
Thomas Jim kitchen and I were not getting messages yesterday but I am now.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderat
well tom I can safely say that over the net its all slowed down.
Even all my tech lists are quiet.
from getting 60 up to 100-300 a day its dropped down to sometimes
barely 50 messages a day or less.
At 01:10 a.m. 22/06/2011, you wrote:
Hi all,
I've noticed quite a number of test messages from
Hi Tom
It's funny but this message I did indeed get to the inbox. I can always
check on this end as well.
Cheers
Ron
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderat
Hi Ron,
I'll ask Raul too look at the server side, but messages seem to be
working fine for me. I have copies of everything in the list archives
so its not like the server itself is dropping messages, or at least
not for me. However, this issue does require further investigation I
think.
On 6/21/
Hi,
I haven't been getting messages either. What's even more strange is
that I have recovered a few out of my spam folder. They never went
there before, so I really don't know what's going on.
On 6/21/11, Ron Schamerhorn wrote:
> Hi Tom and all.
>
> It seems I may not be the only person not get
Hi Tom and all.
It seems I may not be the only person not getting emails from the list.
As an example I didn't see my earlier email in my inbox, your reply, or in
fact the moderator message.
I had to find these by checking the archives. I'm having no other trouble
with email either persona
Hi all,
I've noticed quite a number of test messages from various members
wondering if the Audyssey list is down etc. Let me begin by assuring
all of you that the list is not down, and everything is working just
fine. It just so happens that now that we are into the summer season
list traffic is a
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