[VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Yang
Hi all, Chukwa 0.5.0 is ready for release. This will be the first incubator release for Chukwa. The source tarball artifact is available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-rc3/ Documents are available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-docs/ The SVN tag to be vote

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 2

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Yang
Thank you for the multiple examples. I think I finally understand what you are saying, and the information on LEGAL-59, and LEGAL-62. I will re-spin rc3 with a new svn tag with required changes in NOTICE file. Thanks regards, Eric On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM, sebb wrote: > On 9 January 20

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 9, 2012 10:03 PM, "Roy T. Fielding" wrote: >... > And, no, the discussion has not been with the Trac community -- it was > in private with a few individuals; as far as Apache is concerned, > it never happened. And Oracle's private conversations, and their decisions regarding OOo contrary t

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Ethan Jucovy
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I don't follow that. Is Edgewall still a formal organization capable > of owning copyright? If not, who owns the copyright? Have Christian > and Remy stopped all work on Trac, or are they just busy with their $jobs? > Yes, Edgewall is

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: >> On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> >>> On Jan 7, 2012 4:24 PM, "Roy T. Fielding" wrote: ... The original developers are not ambivalent to this fork. >>> >>> Unt

Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-09 Thread sebb
On 10 January 2012 02:29, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > [to: general@, cc: callback-dev@] > > As discussed during the Callback proposal phase [1], the podling > community wasn't too certain about the "Callback" name and thus after > some discussion they recently voted [2] on adopting the new name

Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-09 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, [to: general@, cc: callback-dev@] As discussed during the Callback proposal phase [1], the podling community wasn't too certain about the "Callback" name and thus after some discussion they recently voted [2] on adopting the new name "Apache Cordova". The vote and its result was mentioned in

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 2

2012-01-09 Thread sebb
On 9 January 2012 19:40, Eric Yang wrote: > Hi all, > > Chukwa 0.5.0 is ready for release.  This will be the first incubator > release for Chukwa. > > The source tarball artifact is available at: > > http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-rc2/ > > Documents are available at: > > http://peopl

Re: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Alan D.Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com] >>Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 3:47 PM >>To: general@incubator.apache.org >>Subject: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings >> >>It's my understanding t

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
+1, I couldn't have said it any better myself, Joe. Cheers, Chris On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > I would like to see the Incubator someday reach the point where > we could DISTRIBUTE our oversight across the podling lists, where > graduation votes are largely ceremonial other

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Lame. I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports > at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off > on the wiki. +1 on the mentors WRITING the reports part. I always try to do that until my podlings beat me to it

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Mark Struberg
Hi Jukka! Thanks for this very constructive post! I'm not a native english speaker, but even I understand the point with not using JSR-330 but a more 'descriptive' wording :) What about the following? > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > interests of the Foundation a

RE: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
>-Original Message- >From: Alan D.Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com] >Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 3:47 PM >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Subject: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings > >It's my understanding that the group and artifact id do not include the token >"incubating"

Maven coordinate for incubating podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Alan D . Cabrera
It's my understanding that the group and artifact id do not include the token "incubating" or "incubator" but that "-incubating" is suffixed to the version number. Do I understand the requirements correctly? Regards, Alan -

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Joe Schaefer
I would like to see the Incubator someday reach the point where we could DISTRIBUTE our oversight across the podling lists, where graduation votes are largely ceremonial other than vetting the language, where release votes happen solely on dev lists, etc. But we will NEVER get there and still do a

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Upayavira
I was even thinking something like 'miss two reports, you're no longer a mentor', but that might be a bit draconian :-) I know I would fail according to the above criteria. But I suspect a clear minimum would help keep me at least minimally connected. Upayavira On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM,

[VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 2

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Yang
Hi all, Chukwa 0.5.0 is ready for release. This will be the first incubator release for Chukwa. The source tarball artifact is available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-rc2/ Documents are available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-docs/ The SVN tag to be vote

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 1

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Yang
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:04 PM, sebb wrote: > There are quite a few files without any licenses at all, e.g. > > conf/aggregator.sql > conf/database_create_tables.sql > src/main/web/hicc/css/default.css > > The NOTICE file should only contain *required* notices. > > In particular, the following par

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Kalle Korhonen
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: > I think the Trac community sees this as a zero-sum game: if people are > contributing to Bloodhound, they *aren't* contributing to Trac. > "Instead, we should try to convince the Bloodhound people that our > philosophy is best, and they shoul

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/9/2012 12:27 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Lame. I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports > at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off > on the wiki. My point was, all mentors need to reply to the draft. -One- of them, or a leader in the community would st

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Mark Struberg
Frankly, I don't see that much use.  Of course reports are very important, but they most of the times are just copied over from the previous month + a few adoptions. And most of the times it's fine. What I really expect from a mentor is to look at the code a bit, check if the code style is c

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Joe Schaefer
Lame.  I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off on the wiki. - Original Message - > From: William A. Rowe Jr. > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: Upayavira > Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM > S

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira wrote: > Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign' > the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used > as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor? How about simply sign off on podling-dev@? Even if it is "Thanks

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/9/2012 7:04 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > I don't think Wookie should graduate, but it certainly shouldn't be > kicked out (and I don't think it will be). However, as I not above > incubation may be holding it back. The question for me is, can we do > more for projects that are in this position

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Upayavira wrote: > Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign' > the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used > as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor? I feel that what I am learning here is that my topic

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Hyrum K Wright
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > >> On Jan 7, 2012 4:24 PM, "Roy T. Fielding" wrote: >>> ... >>> The original developers are not ambivalent to this fork. >> >> Untrue. Christian and Remy are, and always have been, supportive.

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Upayavira
Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign' the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor? Upayavira On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 08:10 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson Margulie

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
Since this thread has come back to life, I read through it and have one comment to add: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 20:27, Benson Margulies wrote: >... > I can see two problems with this view to begin with. One is IP > management. The more people participate in a project and the longer > they do so,

Re: Gora Incubator Graduation Resolution

2012-01-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Board@, Ferdy Galema accepted our invite for the Gora PPMC + committership so I just updated the Gora resolution in r32841 to include his name. Cheers, Chris On Jan 3, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Okey dok, I added it in r32707 now that Doug created the agenda. > >

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Matt Benson
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > +1 to graduate, with the following note: > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: >> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >> Foundation's pu

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Mark Struberg
I'm actively mentoring Isis. With having bval out of incubation I will also find a bit more time to review the bits and pieces a bit better. Isis really has a pretty active community and we have quite some users coming along. It would maybe make sense to shift direction a bit from a pure Na

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-09 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
>-Original Message- >From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] >Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 8:21 AM >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating > >On 9 January 2012 13:09, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: >> Does my answer below suffice?   It would be

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-09 Thread sebb
On 9 January 2012 13:09, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: > Does my answer below suffice?   It would be nice to close this vote out one > way or another > The answer describes what happened. However, it does not fix the problem, which is that the end-user sees a file with conflicting information.

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > Sam, > > I started this separate thread because I view this situation as > distinctive from the problem you are referring to here. I take that > situation just as seriously as you do, I think. If you'd prefer that I > drop this (less urge

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-09 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
Does my answer below suffice? It would be nice to close this vote out one way or another >-Original Message- >From: Franklin, Matthew B. [mailto:mfrank...@mitre.org] >Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Subject: RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Ross Gardler
On 9 January 2012 12:46, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder wrote: ... >> I don't know about the more autonomy proposal but I had a quick look >> at Isis. If they've never added any new committers thats a worry but >> other than that they seem to meet all the ot

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread sebb
On 9 January 2012 04:41, Kalle Korhonen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> This has been the subject of prior conversations, but I'm opening a >> thread in some hope of reaching a definitive resolution. >> Some of our non-graduating podlings have a common prob

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies >>> wrote: Sam, Rather than argue about the existence and interpr

Re: On Etch status

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > Etch is a cross-platform, language- and transport-independent > framework for building and consuming network services. The Etch > toolset includes a network service description language, a compiler, > and binding libraries for a variety of

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-09 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Just an FYI: I have posted a status update on Etch on general@, hoping it doesn't fall on deaf ears with all the discussions going on: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201201.mbox/%3ccab63y-dsjkbkeljkhuvkbdlmsjwvfvixo0fnxexofhq1v4m...@mail.gmail.com%3e Martijn On Sun, J

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, +1 to graduate, with the following note: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > Committee charged with

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 4:11 AM, sebb wrote: > On 8 January 2012 21:04, Mark Struberg wrote: >> >> >> Dear IPMC, dear Community! >> >> The Apache Bean-Validation project provides an ALv2 licensed implementation >> of the JSR-303 Bean Validation Specification and would like to start a VOTE >> on

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies >> wrote: >>> Sam, >>> >>> Rather than argue about the existence and interpretation of messages >>> about squashing stale podlings, how a

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Benson, I dint have time for a full response. However, I have a couple podlings that are in a similar position to Isis. That is, reasonably healthy, but small community. The ASF is about communities, if there is no community there is no TLP. Without having a concrete proposal from you regardunf y

Re: On Etch status

2012-01-09 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Just as an aside: I intend on staying with the PMC to provide oversight as a Member (and being a familiar Mentor), provided the Etch community wants me to tag along. Martijn On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > Etch is a cross-platform, language- and transport-independent >

On Etch status

2012-01-09 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Etch is a cross-platform, language- and transport-independent framework for building and consuming network services. The Etch toolset includes a network service description language, a compiler, and binding libraries for a variety of programming languages. It currently supports C, C# and Java. Supp

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
+1 Regards JB On 01/09/2012 09:04 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: +1 2012/1/8 Mark Struberg: Dear IPMC, dear Community! The Apache Bean-Validation project provides an ALv2 licensed implementation of the JSR-303 Bean Validation Specification and would like to start a VOTE on graduating as a TLP.

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1 2012/1/8 Mark Struberg : > > > Dear IPMC, dear Community! > > The Apache Bean-Validation project provides an ALv2 licensed implementation > of the JSR-303 Bean Validation Specification and would like to start a VOTE > on graduating as a TLP. > The podling is in the incubator since 2010 and su