I'm actively mentoring Isis. With having bval out of incubation I will also find a bit more time to review the bits and pieces a bit better.
Isis really has a pretty active community and we have quite some users coming along. It would maybe make sense to shift direction a bit from a pure NakedObjects framework to a more EE6 extensible framework. That might attract new interest. Being kind of a 4GL framework might not be that sexy nowadays, so we might spice this up with EE6 extensibility. Will discuss this with the project in the coming days. LieGrue, strub ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Sam, >> >> I started this separate thread because I view this situation as >> distinctive from the problem you are referring to here. I take that >> situation just as seriously as you do, I think. If you'd prefer that I >> drop this (less urgent) problem until that one is under control. I'm >> happy to do so. > > It is fair enough statement that not all of us need to work on what I > happen to think is most urgent. This statement is true even if we > might happen to agree on the relative priorities. > > I will merely point out that your suggestion is at least mildly at > cross purposes to the issue that I want addressed. One of my concerns > is that there are a number of podlings that are comfortably nestled in > with no need to graduate. However, that is by no means my biggest > concern, which is the silent attrition rate of mentors. In the case > of Isis, I am fully prepared to accept that that podling has at least > one active mentor. > >> No, I'm not asking for a blank check. I'm asking you and the other >> more experienced people if you think that the idea of treating >> Isis-like podlings differently from other podlings by giving them more >> autonomy and less oversight makes any sense to you. If you all say, >> 'no, we don't want to change anything,' I'll drop it. If > you say 'hmm, >> let's talk details,' then I'll attempt to flesh out details. > However, >> since your bottom line is 'make a more concrete proposal,' then I >> will, but I will wait a bit to see if this thread attracts any other >> thoughts about the overall concept first. > > You previously mentioned that there might be incubator requirements > that are burdensome on mentors. Identifying those and ways to address > them are things that I could definitely support. > > Looking specifically at Isis, the last report[1] to the board contained: > > Top 3 Issues to address in move towards graduation > > * More blogging/publicity from existing community... > * More users of the framework... > * More committers to the framework > > The latter might be a concern. The first two however are not direct > concerns. At most, they are indirect: i.e., ways to attract > committers. Looking at the incubator page[2], I see more than three > committers, and in fact four of them are ASF members. If at least one > of these ASF members intends is willing to continue on the PMC, and > the lack of committers were the only issue, then I would be > comfortable with this podling graduating. > > - Sam Ruby > > [1] > http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2011/board_minutes_2011_10_26.txt > [2] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/isis.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
