Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I return to my point: "No" was the best answer (tho its qualifiers were > wrong), and the "Yes" was wrong for that question. Yes I agree No is the best answer (and is the correct answer is just about every single case) and Yes is wrong in that question. Is "Yes but only for some common

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > > *Dependencies* to build the products. We don't include autoconf itself > > Not all of it but you do need to include GPL licensed files. An example > [1]. > > Except that they do have a get out jail free

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, > *Dependencies* to build the products. We don't include autoconf itself Not all of it but you do need to include GPL licensed files. An example [1]. Except that they do have a get out jail free provision in them “You need not follow the terms of the GNU General Public License when using

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Here is the precise display: > > > > Can Apache distribute products under a prohibited ('Category X') license? > > No (with a couple of exceptions).Yes but only for some common build > tools. > > > > So I go

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Nick Kew wrote: > On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 23:03 -0600, Greg Stein wrote: >> Every single question that I answered gave me a "not quite right". Even >> when it asked if an Apache product can be distributed under Cat-X and I >> said "No", it said

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Nick Kew
On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 23:03 -0600, Greg Stein wrote: > Every single question that I answered gave me a "not quite right". Even > when it asked if an Apache product can be distributed under Cat-X and I > said "No", it said "not quite right". A veritable triumph. It has demonstrated that Apache

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Here is the precise display: > > Can Apache distribute products under a prohibited ('Category X') license? > No (with a couple of exceptions).Yes but only for some common build tools. > > So I go ahead and click "No" because we distribute ALL products under ALv2. > And the second option

Re: Apache Policy Quiz.

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Surely we are not talking about some kind of an official ASF exam test > here, right? No it would never be a PMC entry exam :-) > This is more of a fun quiz that makes people think about certain things which > means that anything goes Correct! > So I guess my only bit of feedback would

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 01/25/2018 07:07 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Justin Mclean > wrote: >> Hi, >> >>> I got inconsistent results from the same answer out of the same choices on >>> the same question. It was not clear to me that many of the questions

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > > No, I'm not gonna issue PRs. The methodology of presenting 2 of 3 > answers, > > then saying I got it wrong because I couldn't click that not-shown 3rd… > > It not doing that it only scores the check

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > >> I got inconsistent results from the same answer out of the same choices on >> the same question. It was not clear to me that many of the questions are >> “check all that apply”. > > I will add that to

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I'm gonna add to this and say there can't be two correct answers in such > a quiz. Have you tried many of the question to have multiple correct choices? Perhaps this question / answer set just needs to be worded a little better. > Either the answer encompasses the full scope of the

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, > No, I'm not gonna issue PRs. The methodology of presenting 2 of 3 answers, > then saying I got it wrong because I couldn't click that not-shown 3rd… It not doing that it only scores the check boxes on the screen. Thanks, Justin

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 01/25/2018 06:54 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:52 PM, Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >>> "manually placed into www.apache.org/dist" ... I left that box >> unchecked, >>> and well... dang. I still got it wrong, it seems. >> >> There no

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I got inconsistent results from the same answer out of the same choices on > the same question. It was not clear to me that many of the questions are > “check all that apply”. I will add that to make it clearer. > Some of the questions are poorly worded, e.g. something like “can Apache

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:52 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > "manually placed into www.apache.org/dist" ... I left that box > unchecked, > > and well... dang. I still got it wrong, it seems. > > There no question with that answer that I can see. There’s is one

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:45 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > And as you suggested, the possibility of erroneous Q I just got: > "Releases > > use majority approval voting (i.e at least 3 +1 votes and more +1 votes > > than -1 votes) and the vote should to be open 72

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > "manually placed into www.apache.org/dist" ... I left that box unchecked, > and well... dang. I still got it wrong, it seems. There no question with that answer that I can see. There’s is one that say "Place the artifacts in www.apache.org/dist.” which you do need to check. I could

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > And as you suggested, the possibility of erroneous Q I just got: "Releases > use majority approval voting (i.e at least 3 +1 votes and more +1 votes > than -1 votes) and the vote should to be open 72 hours so that everyone has > a chance to vote." > > That is false. A release cannot be

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Mike Jumper
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > ... It’s probably harder and not as fun as the logo game ... > > I'm not sure anything can as hard as the Apache Lucene question in the logo game:

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > So you're saying that I answer "No" from the two chosen, the ONLY correct > > answer, and it still dings me? > > Grep I don't know what two options it gave you from the 3 possible > answers, 2 of them are

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > So you're saying that I answer "No" from the two chosen, the ONLY correct > answer, and it still dings me? Grep I don't know what two options it gave you from the 3 possible answers, 2 of them are right 1 isn’t. No is not the only correct answer. Thanks, Justin

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread David Jencks
I got inconsistent results from the same answer out of the same choices on the same question. It was not clear to me that many of the questions are “check all that apply”. Some of the questions are poorly worded, e.g. something like “can Apache rely on cat X software”: most of the projects I

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
"manually placed into www.apache.org/dist" ... I left that box unchecked, and well... dang. I still got it wrong, it seems. Nobody puts stuff there. You "svn mv" the release from dev/$project/foo to release/$project/foo, and our systems auto-update the www.a.o/dist area. Misleading. On Wed,

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> > There were just two. >> >> Correct it shows two answers randomly out the 3 it knows about. That way >> it’s a little

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > There were just two. > > Correct it shows two answers randomly out the 3 it knows about. That way > it’s a little different every time. > So you're saying that I answer "No" from the two chosen, the ONLY

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > There were just two. Correct it shows two answers randomly out the 3 it knows about. That way it’s a little different every time. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Every single question that I answered gave me a "not quite right". Even > > when it asked if an Apache product can be distributed under Cat-X and I > > said “No” > > Some of them are subtle. You may have to

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Every single question that I answered gave me a "not quite right". Even > when it asked if an Apache product can be distributed under Cat-X and I > said “No” Some of them are subtle. You may have to check more than one box to get all the right answers. For that question: Can Apache

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
Every single question that I answered gave me a "not quite right". Even when it asked if an Apache product can be distributed under Cat-X and I said "No", it said "not quite right". That was a simple yes/no, and an obvious "no" answer. ... That was the final straw after a series of multiple-choice

Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, A while back I posted a little logo game. [1] Well after a few comments on the incubator list around projects possibly graduating without fully understanding ASF policy, and some issues with recent release got me thinking is there another way we can present this information. So I made a

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, This also slipped my mind.If you bundle any CDDL or EPL licensed files that may also required additions to the NOTICE file. [1] In CDDL if you modify a file, you must disclose those changes [2] (I'm assuming this probably doesn’t apply as no modifications have been made?) and for ELP you

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-24 Thread David Jencks
To clarify a bit: > [snip] >> platform/modules/ext/org.eclipse.osgi_3.9.1.v20140110-1610.jar >> - I’m not sure if the OSGi license is compatible with the Apache one. It’s >> not listed in Category A/B/X you may need to ask on legal discuss. It may >> be under EPL but not 100% sure. >> > OSGI

Re: [VOTE] Apache DataFu 1.3.3 release RC1

2018-01-24 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Hi, it's been almost 72 hours since the vote was opened. How many votes do > we need for this to pass? Can other folks take a look if necessary? I suggest asking your mentor who are IPMC member to vote. Thanks, Justin

Re: [VOTE] Apache DataFu 1.3.3 release RC1

2018-01-24 Thread Matthew Hayes
Hi, it's been almost 72 hours since the vote was opened. How many votes do we need for this to pass? Can other folks take a look if necessary? Thanks, Matt On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > +1 (binding) > > I checked: > - incubating in