Hi -
I’ve been following as a member of the brand committee and have no concern
about Druid graduation at this time.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:12 PM, Gian Merlino wrote:
>
> FYI- we gave the board a heads up too and received generally positive
> feedback. I
FYI- we gave the board a heads up too and received generally positive
feedback. I will set up a vote shortly!
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 8:24 PM Gian Merlino wrote:
> Hey Justin,
>
> In summary it was clear from comments on the podling name search JIRA that
> the community wanted to work to
Yep, that is definitely a good one. I joined their mailing list a couple of
weeks ago and have been chatting with Lee on it, after he mentioned on the
Druid list that he could use some help.
(Apologies for the digression btw)
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:10 PM Julian Hyde wrote:
> Thanks, Gian. I
+1 , we need a binding process to let the member know better about the
Incubating.
For me, even I attend serval Apache projects before I start mentoring
incubating project, there are still lot of thing I need to learn.
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at
>
> I'd like to see the IPMC get out of the way of the podlings' releases. I
> see no reason for us to be a gate, and many more reasons to back off and
> let podlings get their work done.
>
I strongly agree with your sentiment, even if I differ with your tactics a bit.
I think that they are
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:26 PM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
> > IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
> > private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives. …
>
>
I posted the following in a private@ thread:
Traditionally ASF membership + expressed interest has been the main path to the
IPMC. Honestly, I think “someone who has significantly helped a project
navigate incubation through to successful graduation” holds at least as much
merit as ASF
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Justin Mclean
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
>>> IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
>>> private@
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
> > IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
> > private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives. …
>
>
I don’t understand how obstructing people from becoming mentors is going to
increase their involvement. In the unlikely event that I got interested enough
in an incoming project to want to mentor it, no matter what rules are in place,
my doing so depends on my commitment to actually mentoring.
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 23:35, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Is there a problem we are trying to solve or is this just a concern that
> > it might become a problem as we scale?
>
> It’s already a problem. I suggest you look at the missing mentors / mentors
> who don’t sign off report and
Hi,
> Is there a problem we are trying to solve or is this just a concern that
> it might become a problem as we scale?
It’s already a problem. I suggest you look at the missing mentors / mentors who
don’t sign off report and look at how they were appointed. I can post the stats
if you want,
Hi,
> I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
> IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
> private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives. …
Which is also the same for any project who votes in a ASF member as a
On 8/12/2019 5:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> I'm -0 on removal of the precedent.
Is there a problem we are trying to solve or is this just a concern that
it might become a problem as we scale?
--
Kevin A. McGrail
Member, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:04 AM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Current any ASF member can come along and ask to join the IPMC. I assume
> this was put in place for two reasons: ( but don’t know the full history
> behind it)
> - There was a lack of mentors.
> - Is is assumed that if you are an
Thanks, Gian. I bet you’re familiar with DataSketches (as it has
ancestry/people in common with Druid) and I recall that recently they needed
more mentors.
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Gian Merlino wrote:
>
> One more voice here: I'm not an ASF member, but I'd be interested in
> mentoring
One more voice here: I'm not an ASF member, but I'd be interested in
mentoring other podlings after Druid graduates. Julian has been very
helpful to us while we've been incubating and I'd like to pay it forward.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:12 AM Julian Hyde wrote:
> I don’t have a strong opinion
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:10 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:24 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Ted Dunning
> wrote:
> >> ...
> "The Apache Podling Foo has voted
+1 (binding)
Checked hashes; in -src.tar.gz, checked license, notice, disclaimer, readme;
compiled from source (skipping tests) on Ubuntu/JDK 8; ran RAT; checked that
src tarball contents match git commit c698daa.
Did not examine -bin.tar.gz.
Julian
> On Aug 9, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Justin
Hi Justin,
Thank you so much for taking the time to have a look and for the +1 vote.
> NOTICE mentions using code From Apache Hive, Apache Lucerne, Apache
Hadoop and Apache Calcite. Only Calcite is mentioned in your NOTICE file
and all of those projects have NOTICE files, Jets3t contains a
I don’t have a strong opinion on the subject of this thread - whether it should
be easy for ASF members to join the IPMC - but I have a strong opinion about a
related matter - namely, how easy it should be for non-ASF members to join the
IPMC.
The IPMC should be actively recruiting members of
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:24 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>> ...
"The Apache Podling Foo has voted on releasing Foo 1.2.2 (url and
pointers here). We have 3 (or more)
No, I don't mean to blame the mentors... It is a hard job, mostly uncelebrated
and thankless and the 1st place people point to when problems arise.
Also, in general, most mentors are those who suffer from volunteeritis and tend
to bite off more than they can chew. But the reality is that they
Hi -
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> This observer IPMC role sounds interesting. That would make it less
> intimidating for people who can help verify a generic release but are
> unfamiliar with the domain itself.
We currently have Shepherds to look into podlings at
Hi -
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Julian Feinauer
> wrote:
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> dont get me wrong, I'm rather new to the ASF, the incubator and especially
> the IPMC. So my perspective might be different. But, I understand the
> frustration that some may have and I leant that there have been
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:20 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> This does NOT mean that the IPMC should be gatekeepers though... Just as
>>> PMC chairs are the "eyes
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:24 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> ...
> >> "The Apache Podling Foo has voted on releasing Foo 1.2.2 (url and
> >> pointers here). We have 3 (or more) binding votes from mentors. We are
> >> giving the IPMC and
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:20 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>> ...
>> This does NOT mean that the IPMC should be gatekeepers though... Just as
>> PMC chairs are the "eyes and ears of the board", mentors are the "eyes and
>> ears of the
Hi Ted,
dont get me wrong, I'm rather new to the ASF, the incubator and especially the
IPMC. So my perspective might be different. But, I understand the frustration
that some may have and I leant that there have been many trials to change
things which didn’t go the way we wanted.
The "fear" or
Julian,
I love the sentiment, but increasing the probability of mentor-only
approval by 10x is going to take a lot of something that we haven't had the
last five times we have tried to do this. The current system is a bit
frustrating, but having what amounts to mentors-at-large like Justin and a
Hi Ted,
but instead of questioning the Bylaws or introducing two classes of artifacts I
would rather try to improve mentor votes as this is something we can do
incubator internal.
And its always better to cure the cause then the symptoms : )
Julian
Am 12.08.19, 16:44 schrieb "Ted Dunning" :
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:20 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
> ...
> This does NOT mean that the IPMC should be gatekeepers though... Just as
> PMC chairs are the "eyes and ears of the board", mentors are the "eyes and
> ears of the IPMC". The IPMC "vote" should be little more than a formality.
> IMO,
This observer IPMC role sounds interesting. That would make it less
intimidating for people who can help verify a generic release but are
unfamiliar with the domain itself.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 03:37, Julian Feinauer
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm answering to this (old) thread as the new one branched
We were handling votes like that in OpenWhisk up until graduation. Mentor
votes carry over to the IPMC vote.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 07:20, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> We have always had a mindset that we (the foundation) want to make it as
> "brain dead easy" for people to download, use, and
We have always had a mindset that we (the foundation) want to make it as "brain
dead easy" for people to download, use, and consume ASF projects. This means
that they don't need to worry about compliance, IP provenance, etc.
Incubator releases are a special case. The expectation is, and should
Hi Matt, thanks. We’re glad to have you as a mentor.
--
Mingshen
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 8:13 AM Matt Sicker wrote:
> I’d most likely be interested in mentoring this project, but I’m not that
> experienced in incubator mentorship. If we have another more experienced
> mentor to work with us,
Hi,
I'm answering to this (old) thread as the new one branched up with a different
topic.
Personally, during my time in the first podling I learned a lot by doing Apache
Releases.
First, as contributor, then as PPMC and finally as RM.
And this is something valuable and if a project wants to
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