of trying to
resolve this one way or another. Consensus would mean one side losing after
a long, bloody battle.
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
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Do I do that or does someone need to do this for me? If the former, where do
I do that?
You're already there on the ContributorsGroup page -- so whatever is
thwarting you, it's not that.
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that are reporting for a
cycle, but that's more work and doesn't serve the purpose of connecting the
podling to being in the Incubator quite so cleanly.
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On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
I hereby note my sign off of the wave report, and ask for a volunteer to
update the wiki page on my behalf. My currently available technology is
simply not up to the task.
Done.
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
Can I please get karma to edit the Incubator wiki? My
wiki username is brane.
Done.
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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Craig McClanahan craig...@apache.org wrote:
I am an IPMC member and mentor for the new Streams project in the
Incubator. Can I please get karma to edit the Incubator wiki (username
CraigMcClanahan)?
Done.
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updated request on
October 21.
http://markmail.org/message/xr77lgmfuv3usjws
The wiki login kishoreg is still there in
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ContributorsGroup. Things ought to work.
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is also on the
IPMC to go with yourself and Hyrum.
I hereby propose we extend the silent consensus rule to podling
release votes.
-1
That's at odds with basic, ASF-wide rules for voting on releases.
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On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
I know; but it got everyone's attention, didn't it. :)
Lesson learned.
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apache-lucy-0.4.0.tar.gz\n' apache-lucy-0.4.0.tar.gz.sha
(Perl is more widespread than md5sum.)
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I also have the wave report ready to go, but I don't seem to be able to
edit the wiki page.
Can I please be added. My username is: MichaelMacFadden
Done.
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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Paul Sharples p.sharp...@bolton.ac.uk wrote:
Can someone add my account or update the ACL so I can update these pages in
the future (psharples)
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If not, we need a vote.
For the record, Siegfried is on the IPMC:
http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#sgoeschl
(The clear explanation is a boon to the list regardless, so thanks Benson.)
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to the ContributorsGroup. Once your account is set up,
just login and start making changes. Notifications of all changes you make
will be sent to the cvs@incubator mailing list.
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My userid for the incubator wiki is EricCharles. Can you please add me to
the ContributorsGroup?
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. That makes one IPMC member voting +1; two
more are needed.
The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
Less than a day left... any takers?
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, but I'm
a bit puzzled as to whether this, as is, is actually a problem.
Doesn't seem like a blocker to me, so long as people have expanded the archive
and are happy with what's inside.
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This is so I can post the Hadoop development tools proposal in the wiki.
Username is AdamBerry.
Done.
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Simone Gianni simo...@apache.org wrote:
can please someone (re)grant me write access to the wiki?
My username is SimoneGianni.
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, I'd suggest adopting the
policy of I only sign keys at key-signing parties. Or eventually, if the ASF
develops a formal policy, adopt that.
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PMC members sign a release?
What if there's no local option? Should the PMC regretfully forego the
services of this volunteer RM?
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On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Ross Gardler
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On Oct 13, 2012 2:59 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
That the Incubator's release process would grind to a halt without
freelance IPMC votes exposes a systemic flaw.
Also agreed. I think Jukka's
. It is difficult to do them well, and each +1
serves to perpetuate a rotten system.
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, the degradation is nowhere near enough
to bring down the system.
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On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Nick Kew n...@apache.org wrote:
On 10 Oct 2012, at 17:04, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
In my opinion, we have sufficient expertise here at the ASF to devise an
authentication protocol whose reliability exceeds that of individuals
participating unsupervised in a web
that lands them on the IPMC and in the ASF membership.
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a keysigning
party.
+1
Great solution.
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM, kishore g g.kish...@gmail.com wrote:
I may have to edit the Helix Proposal wiki. Can you please grant me
the permission. My id is k4j
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well - to reassure me.
Protocols for key signing parties can be quite elaborate to ensure that each
participant provides multiple factors:
http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html
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that of individuals
participating unsupervised in a web of trust, particularly if the protocol
were to incorporate archived video and auditing by a PMC.
That said, persuading others that no corners are being cut may be a more
daunting challenge. :P
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technique, but in my opiniion, the categorical
dismissal of all other techniques hinders participation in the web of trust,
thereby thinning our defense in depth against credential spoofing.
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that this excerpt from the GnuPG docs is wrong?
This may be done in person or over the phone or through any other
means as long as you can guarantee that you are communicating with
the key's true owner.
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On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
It says clearly, as long as you can guarantee that you are
communicating with the key's true owner. Which was exactly my point.
I assert a virtual key-signing party protocol incorportating Google Plus
Hangouts could offer
in
signal-to-noise ratio for the main dev list makes it friendlier for lurkers,
visitors and new contributors, and makes the dev list archives easier to
browse and search.
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is verified with the key's owner. This may be done in
person or over the phone or through any other means as long as you can
guarantee that you are communicating with the key's true owner.
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themselves, and make it
possible for users to combine that with other data sources, which is
useful anyway.
Sounds great, best wishes!
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[1] http://openddr.org/takedown.html
Google cache at http://s.apache.org/openddr_cache
[2]
https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2012-01
for the
exceptional case?
It seems to me that we are as free as anyone else to use the data under the
terms of that header, but I'm unclear about releasing it as ASF code under the
ALv2.
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On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote:
I need to request write access to the incubator wiki:
Wiki username: JoeBrockmeier
Apache username: jzb
Done.
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it's good for the ASF to walk backwards into a policy on binary
releases accidentally.
Apologies for keeping the zombie thread alive. If it were up to me, it would
have hopped forums some time ago.
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believe that we are adequately prepared for such circumstances, then I
think that's good enough and that fully resolving the issue of binary
releases prior to AOO's graduation is not required.
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else steps forward.
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Summary: How-to guide for Assembling LICENSE and NOTICE
Key: INCUBATOR-125
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-125
Project: Incubator
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Marvin Humphrey commented on INCUBATOR-125:
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Hi, Sebb,
Thanks for the review
should verify license. If the license allows
redistribution, then I think we're fine. If not, then we need to build a
new src ZIP without them.
If I hear that those files pass muster, I expect to vote +1.
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marvin@smokey:~/Desktop/aoo341 $ gpg --verify
aoo-3.4.1-incubating
need to maintain
absolute control over what ends up in releases.
It looks like the late audit has revealed that those files are OK, but it
feels like we might have dodged a bullet.
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:14 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
* I could not find a version control tag for 3.4.1-rc2, but I was
able to obtain the AOO34 branch at the specified revision 1372282; it was
close, though seemingly
something that is fundamental to the open source definition?
I intend to withdraw my -1 on clarification from those IPMC members
casting +1 binding votes that this release VOTE is limited to the source
release.
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seems not to
have gone this direction, though.
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that approach the standards
our source releases set. (As illustrated by e.g. the challenges of setting up
the code signing service.) Not all of us are convinced that it is for the
best, either.
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rights (or those of downstream users) to distribute the
releases and as long as there's a commitment to fix such issues in
time for the next release.
+1, nice insight on identifying the key criteria: whether or not an issue
affects our _rights_ as users and developers.
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instead be persuaded to work with us on rewriting and editing down the
existing docs? A lot of your draft material is likely to find its way into
the final product that way. :)
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LICENSE/NOTICE then the ASF Membership should work to clarify the policy.
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whitepaper rather than
a blank slate empty repository. In addition, the other classic problem which
afflicts podlings which start with no code -- difficulty refreshing the
community with no releases -- seems unlikely to manifest.
The proposal looks good to me now. :)
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to be in on the ground floor?
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the initial
design stage is likely to fragment the community.
That last line in particular seems like something to watch out for.
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direct link to the extra pages that you are proposing, otherwise new
podlings might just forget about those pieces.
+1, sounds good.
If no one objects in the next couple days, I'll assume lazy consensus and move
forward.
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understand.
I am interested in this task.
In concrete terms I'd like the task force to 1) be the first port of call
for podlings who're failing to get enough +1s from their mentors
Please exclude me from this group[1].
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[1] I believe the approach is misguided, but don't wish
of that document which are
universally applicable.
Alternatively, we can simply link to the page where it is now, along with some
other examples.
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that we maintain dedicated
outlets for technology-specific contributions, as otherwise our primary page
will quickly return to its current unmanageable size.
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to require anything in NOTICE. We have the work we created for
ourselves with the Apache license with this hard-to-understand requirement, but
for the most part, that's it.
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or bug fix is important, at some point you have to
give up on the recruitment effort and just finish it yourself. But
it's worthwhile to
hold off for a few weeks if you can.
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On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
Can someone please (re)grant me write access to the incubator wiki? I am
mentoring the Celix project and want to sign off a report there.
What's your username on wiki.apache.org/incubator ?
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with the politics
of sidelining all the Java-specific stuff.
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On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Joel Koshy jjkosh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi - I need write access to the wiki to append Kafka's July report.
Wiki username: JoelKoshy
Done.
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On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Masanz, James J. masanz.ja...@mayo.edu wrote:
Hi - I need write access to the wiki to be able to update reports for cTAKES.
Wiki username: JamesMasanz
Done.
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Incubation is only one possible approach among many to fostering a
healthy project which is likely to succeed as a TLP.
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change if differing versions of
other dependencies have different dependencies themselves.
Apache Foo requires Bar
Bar 1.0 requires Baz
Bar 1.1 requires Baz and Boffo
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This is why documenting transitive dependencies is so dangerous.
Should we stop?
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release candidates?) However, I'm not how much flexibility we have
with regards to the issue at hand.
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with the licensing and you must get it
right.
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they aren't source code.
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waste of time this has been.
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Arvind Prabhakar arv...@apache.org wrote:
[ ] +1 Graduate Flume podling from Apache Incubator
[ ] +0 Indifferent to the graduation status of Flume podling
[ ] -1 Reject graduation of Flume podling from Apache Incubator
+1 (binding)
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but much more
reasonable 62%. Today I'm still the most active committer, but my
share of all the activity is down to 44%.
What are the percentages we'd like to see with Flume?
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necessary to call a VOTE and override a Mentor. There were other
ways to resolve the issue. Flume chose the contentious route, and that
bothers me. I don't think it bodes well.
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On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Ross Gardler
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On May 27, 2012 1:55 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
OK, then how about a place for people to sign up for the podling dev list
in advance?
Sure, but to what end?
To welcome people on board
documentation.
However, I am uncomfortable with the exclusivity of language like The initial
committers will be made up exclusively from existing contributors.
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if
think I'd object to that. :\
So long as something actually gets done to curtail open enrollment and we
aren't still talking about how piling on is a problem in 2018, my primary
objective in starting this thread will have been achieved, so I retire from
the field.
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there, the fewer names you'll collect.
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, but as JIRA scalability
issues are impacting podlings and projects, I think it's wise for us to take
the situation into account.
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it would be worthwhile to pursue improvements for our JIRA based
projects, though. For my own selfish reasons, I'd really like to follow
Lucene dev discussions more closely, or be able to scan over Avro's dev list
archives and figure out what on earth is going on.
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[1] I suggested
sufficient incentive to keep people joining up -- yet it also gives
the podling the opportunity to vote people into the PPMC early and often. And
if committers who demonstrate merit are *not* brought into the PPMC, the
podling's Mentors and the IPMC should take notice.
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, and there's talk of mirroring pull request comments as
well. If we handle the integration of Github comments as poorly as JIRA
notifications, the potential exists to force new users to to learn Github's
API in order to participate fully.
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my own biases end and I don't want to start a phpBB^H^H^H^H^HJIRA vs email
flame war.
-- Marvin Humphrey, who in moments of weakness fantasizes about the day when
Infra can no longer keep the massive ASF JIRA instance from toppling over and
all the Java projects whose participation in Infra
has succeeded.
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hope you'll still give the project a chance,
Jakob. Given your rep around the ASF, if you contribute as you have to other
projects yet your merit goes unrecognized, I suspect that the Crunch's Mentors
are going to be asking questions. ;)
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a
community documentation somewhere, rather than scattered through the email
archives. I suggest Steps as a format because different approaches are
required at different phases of the project and sizes of the community.
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for you, and that your experiences here at
Apache will aid you in future endeavors.
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were always there in the
Incubator documentation, but for the most part our documentation is more like
a reference manual (with lots of meandering and redundancy -- see
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html) than a tutorial or
curriculum.
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neutrality an issue here?
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assembled detailing the IP clearance process.
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marvin@smokey:~/Desktop/aoo-rc $ gpg --verify
aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.gz.asc
gpg: Signature made Thu Apr 19 02:26:26 2012 PDT using RSA key ID 51B5FDE8
gpg: Good signature from Juergen Schnmidt j...@apache.org
gpg
Components: site
Reporter: Marvin Humphrey
Priority: Minor
The post-graduation incantation contains the following line:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#transfer
1. Update the Incubator status page
... with status page linked to podlings
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