IP clearance and concludes with a successful vote
on the first incubating release.
If Mentors fall away after "phase 1" ends, it's less of a problem. Replacing
Mentors is less consequential once the code base has reached the "
binary is not open source and cannot be verified to be safe for release
(even if it was derived from open source).
Feel free to bundle ALv2 tools with the binary redistribution, or in a
separate `-deps` package, though.
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> Can someone please grant me write access to the Incubator wiki?
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/
>
> My username is AndreaPescetti
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similarly challenging undertaking.
I don't see how what needs to be done can be achieved by anybody other than
volunteers with significant expertise and patience.
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er to detect when the Incubator is
failing to provide legal oversight of a code base for which it has assumed
responsibility.
> I believe we can give them binding votes without being on the IPMC.
Efforts to keep the IPMC pure and exclus
system. I'll only join the
revolution if the incremental improvements are blocked.
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may join the IPMC by request. The committee may also grant membership to
others by vote; typically, this allows a PMC member of some other project
to serve as a mentor.
I'm tempted to strike that passage as it will now be redundant and we have too
much "glossary" stuff on the
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ether such lists should be encouraged for new podlings (probably by
putting a stub in the proposal template alongside the other lists), I can't
say that I have a strong opinion.
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only 1 valid Mentor be acceptable?
In addition to Alex Karasulu, Mohammed Nour El-Din had volunteered,
but seems to have been left off the version of the proposal which was
VOTEd on. So unless Mohammed has withdrawn, MRQL has 2 Mentors.
Mar
Edward, are you not familiar with our custom of handling personnel
matters on private lists? It has not always been that way, but do you
understand why virtually all ASF projects adhere to that convention
now?
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> Hi,
&g
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> My wiki id is MatthieuMorel
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The how-to has been published and linked from the
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Leonidas Fegaras wrote:
> Please add my account to the ContributorsGroup so I can create an incubator
> proposal for a new project called MRQL (the MapReduce query processing
> system). My username is LeonidasFegaras.
Done.
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> Can someone grant me the permission to edit the Incubator wiki? My id is
> "andreisavu".
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> I think it will
sage
wasn't moderated through right away.
It's now in the general@incubator archives as well.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201301.mbox/%3CCAPt9QwRMDCcp_JWwAJeL-rH3YnPJDNEjq0tgcQvUHUKrpv-y%2BA%40mai
W, I think the material under www.apache.org/legal is pretty consistent,
while the stuff in www.apache.org/dev is more uneven. (I think /dev was
rougher a few months ago but seems to have been cleaned up some.)
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tion_Policy.html and frozen in
time, wich would provide a step-by-step guide containing all the mandatory
steps (and ONLY the mandatory steps), then point at various project release
recipes as sample implementations.
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 6:39 PM, sebb wrote:
> On 14 January 2013 23:42, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:52 AM, sebb wrote:
>>> Best practise is to include the component version info, e.g. SuperWidget
>>> 1.234.
>>> It's not unkn
a best practice -- it's a violation of the DRY principle, and I think the
only thing it guarantees is that committers will fail to update the number in
LICENSE at least some of the time. I don't see how it will remind people to
check that a license has not changed. That's important information, but the
appropriate time to verify the license is when updating the bundled bits.
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> 1. I want to start by
quot;Assembling LICENSE and NOTICE"
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PS: This thread was originally about how our hyper-focus on LICENSE and
NOTICE distracts us from more important concerns, both legal and social.
I agree with that assessment and regret contributin
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Craig L Russell
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> CraigRussell is my user id.
I added that ID to ContributorsGroup and you should now be able to edit the
report page.
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we need to add you to the ContributorsGroup, because I
don't see anything resembling your name in either there or Administrators.
See the boxed explanation at the top of the main wiki page.
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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Antoine Levy Lambert wrote:
> please add me to the ContributorsGroup on wiki.apache.org/incubator.
What's your username? (Not your apache ID, but the id you use to
log into <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator>.)
M
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Chip Childers
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> Can someone grant me karma on the incubator wiki to help create podling
> reports?
>
> Wiki ID: chipchilders
Done.
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t I cringe at the thought of trying to
"resolve" this one way or another. Consensus would mean one side losing after
a long, bloody battle.
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> AlanCabrera
>
> Do I do that or does someone need to do this for me? If the former, where do
> I do that?
You're already there on the ContributorsGroup page -- so whatever is
thwarting you, it's not
that are reporting for a
cycle, but that's more work and doesn't serve the purpose of connecting the
podling to being in the Incubator quite so cleanly.
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On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Upayavira wrote:
> I hereby note my sign off of the wave report, and ask for a volunteer to
> update the wiki page on my behalf. My currently available technology is
> simply not up to the task.
Done.
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On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
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> Could someone please grant me write access to the incubator wiki, I am a
> mentor of Marmotta project and need the write access to sign off the board
> reports.
>
> My wiki id is - NandanaMihindukulasooriya
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Branko Čibej wrote:
> Can I please get karma to edit the Incubator wiki? My
> wiki username is "brane".
Done.
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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> I am an IPMC member and mentor for the new Streams project in the
> Incubator. Can I please get karma to edit the Incubator wiki (username
> "CraigMcClanahan")?
Don
se to your updated request on
October 21.
http://markmail.org/message/xr77lgmfuv3usjws
The wiki login "kishoreg" is still there in
<http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ContributorsGroup>. Things ought to work.
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> I know; but it got everyone's attention, didn't it. :)
Lesson learned.
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ibutor who is also on the
IPMC to go with yourself and Hyrum.
> I hereby propose we extend the silent consensus rule to podling
> release votes.
-1
That's at odds with basic, ASF-wide rules for voting on releases.
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y-0.4.0.tar.gz.md5
perl -MDigest -e '$d = Digest->new("SHA-512"); \
open $fh, "addfile($fh); print $d->hexdigest; print \
" apache-lucy-0.4.0.tar.gz\n"' > apache-lucy-0.4.0.tar.gz.sha
(Perl is more widespread than md5sum.)
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> I also have the wave report ready to go, but I don't seem to be able to
> edit the wiki page.
>
> Can I please be added. My username is: MichaelMacFadden
Done.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Paul Sharples wrote:
> Can someone add my account or update the ACL so I can update these pages in
> the future (psharples)
Done.
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VOTEs -- and you'll also prepare your project for
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ip of the PMC can be revoked by an unanimous vote of all
the active PMC members other than the member in question.
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oo many
> ideas on how to solve or at least partially address that problem.
Recognizing merit and promoting from within the podling has a 100%
success rate.
* Thift
* ESME
* Lucy
* ManifoldCF
Our problem is not that we don't have a solution, it's that the IPMC
has not yet come
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Matthias Friedrich wrote:
> I'd like to add the report for Crunch, but it seems I don't have the
> necessary karma. Could someone help me out please? My wiki user name
> is MatthiasFriedrich.
Don
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Eric Charles wrote:
> My userid for the incubator wiki is EricCharles. Can you please add me to
> the ContributorsGroup?
Done.
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just login and start making changes. Notifications of all changes you make
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arma.
>
> If not, we need a vote.
For the record, Siegfried is on the IPMC:
http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#sgoeschl
(The clear explanation is a boon to the list regardless, so thanks Benson.)
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IPMC member voting +1; two
more are needed.
> The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
Less than a day left... any takers?
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rt of your build script, but I'm
> a bit puzzled as to whether this, as is, is actually a problem.
Doesn't seem like a blocker to me, so long as people have expanded the archive
and are happy with what's inside.
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> can please someone (re)grant me write access to the wiki?
>
> My username is SimoneGianni.
Done.
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> This is so I can post the Hadoop development tools proposal in the wiki.
>
> Username is AdamBerry.
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borating with other
podlings -- and I look forward to recognizing the merit of such contributors,
because the Incubator succeeds when they succeed.
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bers sign a release?
What if there's no local option? Should the PMC regretfully forego the
services of this volunteer RM?
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dered obsolete by Daniel's
suggestion.
If you don't want to spend mindspace on this topic, I'd suggest adopting the
policy of "I only sign keys at key-signing parties." Or eventually, if the ASF
develops a formal policy, adopt that.
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On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Ross Gardler
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> On Oct 13, 2012 2:59 AM, "Marvin Humphrey" wrote:
>> That the Incubator's release process would grind to a halt without
>> "freelance" IPMC votes exposes a systemic flaw.
>
> Also agreed. I thin
I'm glad that Roman wants to do his part to spare Helix from that fate, and I
wish him the best of luck. Personally, I have made a decision not to perform
any more freelance reviews. It is difficult to do them well, and each +1
serves to perpetuate a rotten system.
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> I may have to edit the Helix Proposal wiki. Can you please grant me
> the permission. My id is k4j
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+1
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On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Nick Kew wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2012, at 17:04, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>
>> In my opinion, we have sufficient expertise here at the ASF to devise an
>> authentication protocol whose reliability exceeds that of individuals
>> participating
rchived video degrades deterrence by a small amount, but that so long as
other factors retain their integrity, the degradation is nowhere near enough
to bring down the system.
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ty exceeds that of individuals
participating unsupervised in a web of trust, particularly if the protocol
were to incorporate archived video and auditing by a PMC.
That said, persuading others that no corners are being cut may be a more
daunting challenge. :
port but a room full
> of Apache folks - some of whom surely know Benson Margulies
> well - to reassure me.
Protocols for key signing parties can be quite elaborate to ensure that each
participant provides multiple factors:
http://cryp
hat the degree of certainty is independent of the means used to
obtain that certainty -- and the GnuPG docs say as much. Face-to-face
interaction is one good technique, but in my opiniion, the categorical
dismissal of all other techniques hinders participation in the web of trust,
thereby
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Branko Čibej wrote:
> It says clearly, "as long as you can guarantee that you are
> communicating with the key's true owner." Which was exactly my point.
I assert a "virtual key-signing party" protocol incorportating Google Plus
Hangouts could offer comparable ass
>
> Really.
Is it your position that this excerpt from the GnuPG docs is wrong?
This may be done in person or over the phone or through any other
means as long as you can guarantee that you are communicating with
the key's true owner.
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is verified with the key's owner. This may be done in
person or over the phone or through any other means as long as you can
guarantee that you are communicating with the key's true owner.
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ated lists. The resulting improvement in
signal-to-noise ratio for the main dev list makes it friendlier for lurkers,
visitors and new contributors, and makes the dev list archives easier to
browse and search.
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OpenDDR to contribute
> only the parts of that that they created themselves, and make it
> possible for users to combine that with other data sources, which is
> useful anyway.
Sounds great, best wishes!
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[1] http://openddr.org/takedown.html
Google cache at http://
n this time, what is the rationale for the
exceptional case?
It seems to me that we are as free as anyone else to use the data under the
terms of that header, but I'm unclear about releasing it as ASF code under the
ALv2.
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> I need to request write access to the incubator wiki:
>
> Wiki username: JoeBrockmeier
> Apache username: jzb
Done.
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rly those contributing towards the binary
artifacts) for ambiguity to persist around issues of indemnification, and I
don't think it's good for the ASF to walk backwards into a policy on binary
releases accidentally.
Apologies for keeping the zombie thread alive. If it were up to me, it wou
rve as advocate,
but I will do it if no one else steps forward.
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ebellious AOO PMC to enforce ASF policy
regarding binary releases?
If we believe that we are adequately prepared for such circumstances, then I
think that's good enough and that fully resolving the issue of binary
releases prior to AOO's graduation is not required.
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Summary: How-to guide for "Assembling LICENSE and NOTICE"
Key: INCUBATOR-125
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-125
Project:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 8/21/12 8:14 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>> * I could not find a version control tag for 3.4.1-rc2, but I was
>> able to obtain the AOO34 branch at the specified revision 1372282; it was
>> close, thoug
;s history, there is a big
target painted on the project and there is a conspicuous need to maintain
absolute control over what ends up in releases.
It looks like the late audit has revealed that those files are OK, but it
feels like we might have dodged a bullet.
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n Revocation Lists.
So for the last two we should verify license. If the license allows
redistribution, then I think we're fine. If not, then we need to build a
new src ZIP without them.
If I hear that those files pass muster, I expect to vote +1.
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marvin@
binary releases that approach the standards
our source releases set. (As illustrated by e.g. the challenges of setting up
the code signing service.) Not all of us are convinced that it is for the
best, either.
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providing support
for ASF-endorsed binaries. For whatever reason, the AOO podling seems not to
have gone this direction, though.
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to explain something that is fundamental to the open source definition?
I intend to withdraw my -1 on clarification from those IPMC members
casting +1 binding votes that this release VOTE is limited to the source
release.
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ur rights (or those of downstream users) to distribute the
> releases and as long as there's a commitment to fix such issues in
> time for the next release.
+1, nice insight on identifying the key criteria: whether or not an issue
affects our _rights_ as users
he collection of raw material that exists now, but I
don't see that it should displace everybody else's hard work.
Can you instead be persuaded to work with us on rewriting and editing down the
existing docs? A lot of your draft material is likely to find its way into
the final product
e in on the ground floor?
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oblem is mitigated by the fact that the
podling will start with design documents and the Dremel whitepaper rather than
a blank slate empty repository. In addition, the other classic problem which
afflicts podlings which start with no code -- difficulty refreshing the
community with no
7;t like the poor state of ASF policy and conformance on
LICENSE/NOTICE then the ASF Membership should work to clarify the policy.
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the initial
design stage is likely to fragment the community.
That last line in particular seems like something to watch out for.
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urn to its current unmanageable size.
>>
>>
> I believe some of these info is important, and we should at least have a
> direct link to the extra pages that you are proposing, otherwise new
> podlings might just forget about those piece
il, but IMO it is important that we maintain dedicated
outlets for technology-specific contributions, as otherwise our primary page
will quickly return to its current unmanageable size.
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of that document which are
universally applicable.
Alternatively, we can simply link to the page where it is now, along with some
other examples.
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