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Looking at the current list of projects, we have many that exceed that
number. Far exceed that number. In fact the median age is 416 days
and the mean age is 536.
Thanks to Gavin installing the necessary prerequisites
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, and gives the incubator more of a chance
to recover (and actually obtain a report in time) when a deadline is
missed.
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failure to include such information and/or demonstrate forward
progress towards meeting these objectives should cause the Incubator
(not the Board!) to take action.
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[1]
http
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PLEASE NOTE!
From the ASF Board:
For now
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Hi...
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
As the discussions on the ODF Toolkit threads seem to be winding down,
I would like to initiate the vote to accept the ODF Toolkit as an
Apache Incubator project.
This vote will close 72 hours from now.
Voting is now
? These
projects are listed in the Relationships section and there may be
interest on their side too.
Please forward the proposal as you see fit.
Meanwhile, I'm only seeing positive responses. If we call for a vote
in 72 hours (late morning EDT on Thusrday) is that enough time for
discussion?
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way.
Regards,
Alan
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; but if we can not get agreement on that we respect the
license terms under which the software has been offered.
-Rob
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
I support this idea.
I think with regard to need for an SGA or not, there is the matter
is podling.
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and half years ago. It is
time to decide that incubation is not going to succeed for this
podling?
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On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
All past struggles aside, if there are no credible plans to produce an
ASF project after 2.5 years, then IMHO it is time to begin the process
of terminating the incubation of this podling.
I'm
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum
is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are
received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails.
Vote started
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Phillip Rhodes
motley.crue@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members
I've divided up the list of proposed committers into four categories,
based on their current status.
--- Have IDs:
damjan Damjan Jovanovic
florentFlorent André
grobmeier Christian Grobmeier
gstein Greg Stein
jimJim Jagielski
lrosen Lawrence Rosen
rdonkinRobert
.
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--- Have IDs:
damjan Damjan Jovanovic
florent Florent André
grobmeier Christian Grobmeier
gstein Greg Stein
jim Jim Jagielski
lrosen Lawrence Rosen
rdonkin Robert Burrell Donkin
wave
for
requesting an id.
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
If I can get a few volunteer list moderators I'll go ahead
and create the mailing lists.
I'll be glad to moderate.
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ominous music
:-)
Cheers,
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Simon Brouwer simon.o...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op 13-6-2011 22:14, Daniel Shahaf schreef:
Sam Ruby wrote on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:48:37 -0400:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 13, 2011 11:31 AM, Joe Schaeferjoe_schae
on this very list:
http://s.apache.org/gB
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2: http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
Yes, please do. And if you care to do so, cast a vote on the proposal itself.
Steve Lee
Full Measure
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at inciting action. :-)
There's no problem with them joining later, is it?
Nope.
I intend to proceed as planned.
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is inaccurate (we haven't
even had a vote yet), overall, it appears to be a balanced piece.
Providing clear licensing information on extensions is certainly an
area for improvement.
Volker
--
Volker Merschmann
Member of The Document Foundation
http://www.documentfoundation.org
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should handle purely hypothetical scenarios as
my experience is that such discussions are rarely productive.
Thanks,
Allen
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[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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at the ASF that involve changes to the code base will be done
in smoke-free and publicly archived mailing lists.
If you have questions relating to prior work done by groups other than
the ASF, I encourage you to contact those groups directly.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com
wrote:
IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL
. Yes, I will probably have
some private discussions with ASF lawyers over time over this matter,
but I can't see any way that we can -- or should -- avoid the need for
public discussion over this matter.
--- Noel
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
Hi Sam,
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:54 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
The net of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial
public aspect to this entire discussion. Yes, I will probably have
some private
conclusions as to the relative risk.
How we sort this out will depend entirely on the specifics of each instance.
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we approach such matters.
HTH,
Michael.
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@apache.org wrote:
Now, the database with OOo is hsqldb, Java based, so assuming we want to run
this on Apache Harmony, does the Java TCK becomes a test dependency of OOo?
No
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and community bridge-building is delegated to
that podling itself.
+1
But if there are new concerns raised at TDF that must be addressed before
an acceptance vote, I hope any of the signed up committers already feel free
to bring those concerns to this list.
+1
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Christian Lippka c...@lippka.com wrote:
While the technical analyze here seems (should not use that word) correct my
understanding
such requests end up with a positive outcome
for all concerned.
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substantial push-back
from some quarters.
I saw pushback from multiple sides. From what I can see, that
push-back still exists. Reminding people of this is not going to
help.
S.
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A good leader takes a little more than his share of the blame, a
little less than his share of the credit
the push-back.
That is not the only push-back, and my suggestion is that we not focus
on the differences we have. Let's instead focus on how we can
maximize the areas we have in common.
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
my suggestion is that we not focus on the differences we have.
Let's instead focus on how we can maximize the areas we have
in common.
Isn't that what:
Core development would happen at the ASF
contributing substantially similar functionality to the
ASF under a more liberal license.
Cheers
Daniel
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From: Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com
Date: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:45 AM
Subject: [tdf-discuss] Code covered by the Oracle grant (was: Proposal
to join Apache OpenOffice)
To: disc
if they compete with
one another.
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On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
FWIW, IMO it's Sam's call as he is the sponsor. Jim
is just trying to avoid a situation where people who
aren't signed up for the project start placing conditions
on it. To my knowledge you haven't
.
It is my expectation that if we make reasonable requests and that if
those requests are within Oracle's power to fulfill those requests,
that we will obtain subsequent software grants.
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for public inspection.
I have already published an extracted list of files. I'm told that
there is some line break problems with my extraction methods, and will
look into that.
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. Is this worth exploring?
Sounds like a rat-hole. I'd suggest that each chair a meeting at
their respective venue. Or vice versa.
S.
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
I extracted the text from the Grant. It needed some minor cleanup
(for example, to remove page numbers). It is possible that I
introduced errors in the process, but that seems unlikely given how
clean this data
-integrated work-in-progress patches in the form of CWSs that it would be
important to secure. Michael Meeks collated everyone's input and sent me a
list of them categorised by status, and I've made it available for download:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1792694/cws.ods
Thanks!
Regards
S.
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is authoritative.
Without further ado, here are the list of files:
http://people.apache.org/~rubys/openoffice.files.txt
I do not recommend accessing this page via a dialup connection as this
list alone is ~1.75Mb
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Ian Lynch wrote (04-06-11 14:39)
On 4 June 2011 13:30, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 13:35
for this to spill over into early next week
I would be fine with that too.
Cheers,
Christian
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and consolidate there, choose a
name for the product ...)
The ASF is not a consortium. There is no mechanism for a foundation
to participate as an entity, only individuals.
I agree that naming is an important discussion.
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negotiate the
Software Grant.
As near as I can tell, the final decision was made by Oracle as, after
all, it is their software that they granted to the ASF.
Florian
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of the first tasks of the PPMC, if and when one gets
established. The VP of Brand Management, one or more actual
attorneys, myself, and a number of others will assist.
S.
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An example of how another project has dealt with this:
http://wikis.sun.com/display/GlassFish/Copyrights
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how things
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
sanj...@opensource.lk wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
I've been asking for reasons since my first e-mail to this list, but you
didn't reply so far. So, if you could elaborate on that, I'd really
Apache code proprietary
somehow, right? That is the big benefit of it. And when I've done
that, I don't have to worry about the old redistribution terms or any
of the old terms anymore.
Fully disagree. I encourage you to read the terms.
-Keith
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that in the proposal.
-Rob
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Norbert
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'is' is
-- Mr Clinton
Cute quote, but the license question still remains.
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. I'm not sure the question has come up, so we
have no policy that I'm aware of.
CC-by 2.5 is listed as acceptable:
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a
I have no reason to believe that 3.0 would pose a problem.
Cheers,
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is
not an appropriate choice in this situation?
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On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
However I
will state that in cases where widespread use of the code is vital for
advancing the cause of free software that the Apache License, Version
2.0
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:19, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
LibreOffice complements anything we do here at Apache to those who
agree with the license terms under which LibreOffice is made
available. Until or unless
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On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:38, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
However I
will state
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 13:35)
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Andreas Kuckartza.kucka...@ping.de
wrote:
If yes: which licenses would IBM be willing to consider ?
Is there any reason to believe that the Apache License
system administrative staff understandably wishes
to constrain the number of different types of operating systems that
they use.
Regards,
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On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Andreas Kuckartz a.kucka...@ping.de wrote:
Am 04.06.2011 16:00, schrieb Sam Ruby:
While other choices may make sense depending on the
specific circumstances, a necessary consequence of making a choice
that does not cast the widest possible net is fragmentation
is reachable at
infrastructure@a.o, but I'm considering mentoring this podling to help bridge
any gaps.
I think it would be invaluable to OO for you to be a mentor, so I hope you do.
+1. And not just to help bridge gaps in infrastructure.
Niall
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of the ASF. I've engaged in the discussion both here and on
the documentfoundation.org lists.
The best summary I am aware of to date on this issue can be found at:
http://s.apache.org/lY
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seems
counterproductive and destined to add antagonism, rather than remove some,
and I'd suggest you withdraw it.
Our emails may have crossed in the ether. My suggestion is that I
take ownership of this question. I will state that I do not plan to
proceed via this questionnaire.
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http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-x
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-b
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3-compatibility.png
- Dennis
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the Apache
Software Foundation produces. It sets an expectation of what our
users can expect from us.
Further details here:
http://www.apache.org/legal/ramblings.html
Regards,
Dave Fisher
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describes, and a
second that reflects the individual's public name. The latter is
often not on the ICLA.
I'll also note that this particular Phillip spells his name with two 'l's.
I've made the necessary corrections, both to the file name and to iclas.txt.
Craig
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be frictionless exchange of code between the various
groups.
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of labor could
be contemplated. In fact, the division of labor could be dynamic in
that we could experiment with all sorts of different arrangements and
find out what works best.
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these changes themselves once the
project arrives here; at which point the TDF has a clean base upon
which to build.
S.
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This email has no place on this list. Take it elsewhere.
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giving up and treating
ideological division as a given...
Mailing lists that end in '.apache.org' tend to attract people who
prefer this license choice. Calling this choice 'ideological' doesn't
further the discussion. Take it elsewhere.
S.
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Whoops. Forgot to copy the list.
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wrote:
On 6/3/2011 1:17 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Are you ready to call for a vote? :)
No; there are some good
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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
When I read Jim's email, I took it to mean your tweets[1]. Not your
emails to this list.
Greg: I am being told by Sam Ruby to not talk about these topics
agree
that we should wait until some of the more active threads become
dormant.
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to
the community to add such a tone to the proposal.
What do you think?
The reason it is a wiki is exactly for this reason. Go for it!
Cheers
Daniel
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and away from
everything else.
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Danese
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Besides that, I was asking myself why Rob is the only one who could
add
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not come out that way, and I will
see what I can do to rectify that.
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