Sam Ruby wrote:
>> I understand it is good practice to restart a vote if the vote thread
>> becomes heavy with discussion. This is the case with the vote that was
>> begun at
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/general@incubator.apache.org/msg11201.html
>> which contains some issues raised and comments
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I've participated in more community building exercises that you can
count with your hands and I have *never* seen a community behave like
Harmony.
The effort of writing a JVM is no small
is:
Aaron Bannert
Noel J. Bergman
Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ken Coar
Morgan Delegrange
Roy T. Fielding
Ceki Gulcu
Paul Hammant
James Holmes
Ted Husted
Jim Jagielski
Berin Lautenbach
Ted Leung
Geir Magnusson Jr.
Stefano Mazzocchi
Craig
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Intro email already posted :)
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=109994773621556&w=2
sorry, people that was a typing mistake on my end, I didn't want to send
email :-)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: 2004-11-08T07:09:12
Editor: SteveForsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Wiki: Incubator Wiki
Page: ApolloProposal
URL: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApolloProposal
no comment
New Page:
= PROJECT PROPOSAL =
Apollo: A WS-Resource``Framework Reference Implement
J Aaron Farr wrote:
Let's say a group of developers bring an LGPL'd project to Apache called
JExample from jexample.sf.net.
Ok.
So they convert the license to ASL 2.0 and
go through all the other hoops but after six months or so, things have
stalled and it's apparent the project isn't ready for t
thorsten wrote:
The aim of this thread is to set up a set of rules to prevent such thing
happening.
Now, let me get this straight: do you *really* expect us to create
"RULES" to avoid any possible thing that anybody considers shady?
I strongly hope you are kidding.
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Steven Noels wrote:
Stefano and Steven, would you like to accompany the Lenya project
further on as PMC members? I guess we really could need your help and
experience beside the fact that the board "is likely to recognize".
I'm willing to sit on the PMC if that helps you guys - perhaps in a
"react
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
I was working on the initial docs and mailing lists over the weekend
and got stuck on making a distinction between the JCR API (JSR 170)
and the Apache podling creating an implementation of it. As Gianugo
said on the Slide mailing list
...my first proposal would be rethin
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
how do you define "lazy consensus"?
As Roy explained, it means that a minimum number of people need to cast
their vote. Once the minimum has been cast, the vote "counts." It is lazy
in the sense that we consider it to have passed, once we have reached the
minimum, until/un
Leo Simons wrote:
+1 for Lenya to graduate from incubation and apply for a TLP.
ehm, question, are we waiting for Steven to report?
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Leo Simons wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Should it be done here or on the PMC?
here.
From the status file:
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!!!Organizational acceptance of responsibility for the project
*If graduating to an existing PMC, has the PMC voted to accept it?
*If graduating to a new PMC, has the board voted to
Both Nicola and I are aligned in indicating that there is not much else
that we can teach to those guys and that nobody here seems to have a
problem with it, I would ask for a vote.
I'm not completely up-to-date with the procedures, so, please, don't
flame me if this is not the right way of doi
Well, if I even send it to the wrong list ;-)
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Both Nicola and I are aligned in indicating that there is not much else
that we can teach to those guys and that nobody here seems to have a
problem with it, I would ask for a vote.
I'm not completely up-to-date wit
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
why? if the idea excites people but the code sucks, are we going to
turn it down?
In that case, we might decide to accept a new project into the
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
As I see it, community is our concern. Either we have a strong community
coming in, or we believe that we have the ability to form one around some
catalyst.
If we are accepting a contribution based upon its community, the quality of
its code is probably not a pre-determining
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
It seems to me that any honest assessment of the merit of
accepting a proposal should include a look at the code itself, if
only to
get a gut-check on how maintainable and evolveable that codebase
m
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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Brian Behlendorf wrote:
It seems to me that any honest assessment of the merit of
accepting a proposal should include a look at the code itself, if only to
get a gut-check on how maintainable and evolveable that codebase might be
goin
I would like to start discussing the fact that Lenya is, IMO, mature,
diverse and integrated enough with the ASF substrate enough to exit
incubation.
My reasons are:
1) wyona developers are no longer the unique driving development force
of the project
2) communication happens entirely on the
Leo Simons wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
After the vote we have to do many more things like doing the incubator
request. It would be fine if someone can give me a hint how the
requests
for endorsement and release should look like.
Eh, good question, I've never do
On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 14:15 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
You feel excluded? Well, you do not need to be. Ask to become part of
this PMC, and you'll be surprised.
I don't feel excluded, Nicola. I feel unable to get my points across.
Admittedly, I could have used a more diplomatic
On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 09:04 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
The Chair of that PMC is the sponsor.
Really? I thought I was the sponsor.
Really? Didn's see you there much :-P
Which might also show how many private emails you might have missed?
Incubation is more a social operation tha
On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 01:26 Europe/Rome, Stephen McConnell wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
I said nothing about documentation, process, policy or accountability.
LOL
We certainly agree on this!
:-)
Agree about what? that I didn't say what you previously accused me of
having
On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 04:37 Europe/Rome, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Berin,
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
Had a read. Great stuff :>.
At a quick glance, I see some things to change.
- there has not been stated a minimum community size to start
- it has been e
On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 17:22 Europe/Rome, Rodent of Unusual Size
wrote:
Stephen McConnell wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Ah, at the end, if a committer considers this unfair, maybe he/she
should question him/herself before questioning hundreds of his/her
peers.
Umm,
... and the
On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 14:50 Europe/Rome, Stephen McConnell wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Ah, at the end, if a committer considers this unfair, maybe he/she
should question him/herself before questioning hundreds of his/her
peers.
Umm,
... and the "standard member line&
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 15:34 Europe/Rome, Rodent of Unusual Size
wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
I still believe that the Incubation PMC doesn't make any sense at all.
oh, please, let's not start another flamewar about whether it's
needed or not. it's here; can we plea
On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 12:12 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 19/09/2003 09:04:31 PM:
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 05:21 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 19/09/2003 08:42:26 AM:
It t
On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 08:18 Europe/Rome, Steven Noels wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
As I understand what is being said, a project is to have a sponsor
who is an
ASF Member or Officer. Note that the Incubator PMC Chair is an ASF
Officer,
as is every PMC Chair.
... but not every PMC chair
On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 05:40 Europe/Rome, Stephen McConnell wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Steven Noels wrote:
I just want to say that this requirement of sponsors which should be
members was totally unclear to me when I started talking and working
with the BEA peeps (Clif
On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 06:15 Europe/Rome, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:25:53 -0400
Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
"Meritocracy"?
yes, meritocracy. the entire asf is a meritocracy, as is each
project within it.
I see. but here's one
On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 06:08 Europe/Rome, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:49:24 -0400
(Subject: RE: ASF member role - accountable to whom)
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Meritocracy"?
Here is a good stats on this ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mailing list.
Excuse me, b
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 14:05 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
...
the members came to consensus agreeing that project umbrellas are a
pain in the ass and a PMC should be as close as possible to the code
it develops, as to increase the ability to do proper
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 14:35 Europe/Rome, Sam Ruby wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
2) Problems in the Avalon community that the jakarta PMC was unaware
of (there was not Avalon representation in that PMC at that time)
There was Avalon representation in the Jakarta PMC at that time.
who
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 13:56 Europe/Rome, Rodent of Unusual Size
wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Hence, if the sponsor, as we said, shall be an Apache member, he is
already legally "safe", and does not need to be on the PMC. I doubt
that
an Apache member that does his first incubation is k
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 10:08 Europe/Rome, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Even if all Jakarta projects get top-level (which I doubt), Jakarta
as a community can still remain. It is a place where Java developers
can get together on common issues. Jakarta doesn't have to dit
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 05:21 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 19/09/2003 08:42:26 AM:
It took repeated attemps to get Ant to "matriculate". And significant
effort for Avalon. James is the only project that I recall that did
it
of their own initi
On Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003, at 08:46 Europe/Rome, James Strachan wrote:
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 08:54 pm, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
The only disagreement is - should all this dynamically generated
stuff
go into CVS or not. It seems silly to put it into CVS - since its
trivial to regenerate t
On Monday, Aug 11, 2003, at 21:05 Europe/Rome, Daniel F. Savarese wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Noel J.
Bergman" w
rites:
If I am working with a package, e.g., Avalon, I might not have the
javadocs
or sources local. I often find references in the javadocs via
Google, which
can be qui
On Thursday, Aug 7, 2003, at 08:17 Europe/Rome, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Quoting Greg Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
However, open process is at least as important as open software.
Agreed. But the ASF has just given a bad example on this (IMO).
Allow me to point out that "incubation" is the process
On Sunday, Aug 10, 2003, at 01:13 Europe/Rome, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Not so fast Danny,
There are some issues you are apparently unaware of.
I find it interesting that we would allow a JSR to be based on an ASF
project to be licenses back under a non-opensource friendly license.
I find
it in
On Sunday, Aug 10, 2003, at 10:35 Europe/Rome, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Implying that a consensus process in more than 100 members can be
influenced by a few members (even if highly respected) with reasonable
arguments, is silly
On Friday, Aug 8, 2003, at 04:29 Europe/Rome, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
I am happy to say that Brian Behlendorf's reply to Marc Fleury is
definitely what I wished here. I suggest to add this to the FAQ,
at least the words on "we are still open".
Our of curiosity: where did you get the impression that
on 7/10/03 11:53 PM Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> I've spent a lot of time over the last couple months learning everything I
> could about starting a new project in Apache. I've read several docs on the
> incubator site and elsewhere, including guideline docs, charters, and old email
> posts. I've spe
on 7/8/03 12:56 PM Ted Leung wrote:
> +1
>
> I am planning to meet Cliff Schimdt in person at OSCon later this week.
> I will also be happy to be the official shepherd during incubation.
I fully trust both Steven's and Ted's "mentoring" abilities.
I'm happy that people like Andy keep the 'cor
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Can I get voted into the incubator group? I think most people around
here know who I am ;-)
Who are you? Do you know the ApacheWay?
ROTFL!!!
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Fo
d the rest of the people at q42 for being
such great guys and I wish them all possible luck for their commercial
ventures.
Ciao.
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Pluralitas non est po
Giacomo Pati wrote:
+1
Giacomo
Giacomo,
thanks for taking the time to edit your email to avoid wasting bandwidth.
I'm a pain, I know. Imagine how I much more I would be if I were the one
paying for the bandwidth :)
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try to showcase a set of Cocoon best practices.
Let's put it down crystal clear: if the two communities isolate, I would
consider my sponsoring completely failed.
This being said, here is my sincere and empathatic +1 for Lenya joining
Incubator with the ambition to become a Cocoon sub-project. I&#x
one. If we reach an agreement with q42, Xopus will be submitted as
another incubation proposal, apache licensed and they will be part of
the community.
Ah. Thanks for sharing! :-)
You really need to get out of your Java shaped shell :-)
Tell him, brother :)
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. If we reach an agreement with q42, Xopus will be submitted as
another incubation proposal, apache licensed and they will be part of
the community.
In any case, lenya will keep the editing layer totally separated, yet
design the proper hooks for them.
As I said, these are 'just remark
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