_Please Consider This Vote Thread Closed_
As chair, I feel confident that a [VOTE] was not the right step to
take at this time. Ongoing _discussion_ is entirely on point. I do not
think that it is appropriate to tally this thread and declare a
result. I am going to reply to this thread changing th
Let me rephrase the question. Could the actual reason behind Chukwa
retirement be related to the fact, that there exist Flume and Kafka
which gives users same opportunites to manage distributed systems? I
better understand this before trying to spread the word about joinging
Chukwa community.
If t
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Luciano Resende wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, November 25, 2012, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>>
>> Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote
>> on confirming this decision.
>>
>>
Alan,
I get that. I'm supposed to be more the admin support here than the
autocrat. I'm trying to help the IPMC find a consensus position --
within the parameters of the IPMC's mission. I have no problem with
that position being retirement. I am prepared for it to be a brief
extension, and I am co
Benson,
I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was
raised. A lengthy discussion ensued. Consensus was garnered. We even added
committers with the hopes of infusing new energy into the project.
Sometimes, you just can't get ultimate consensus on retirement and
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
>> I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
>> resolve this.
>>
>> I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
>> so my -1 s
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:57 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> wrote:
>>> If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
>>> another chance, like you seem to be re
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> While I think that it's laudable for IPMC members to step in and offer to
> mentor, we should remember the danger of becoming a crutch...
Definitely - the goal of an incubation mentor should be to become
redundant, as quickly as possible ;-)
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>> If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
>> another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
>> with that.
>
> As usual a -1
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
>> ...I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
>> so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
>> another try, i've offered to
Hello guys,
I want to understand Chukwa community building strategy better. Are
there any insights why companies which use Hadoop (in Moscow those
include Deutche Bank, Yandex, Rambler and Microsoft) do not crowd
around or stay in line to get a chance to use Chukwa?
--
With best regards / с наилуч
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:55 PM, ant elder wrote:
> I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
> resolve this.
>
> I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
> so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
> a
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> One interesting point about consensus decision-making process is the
> need to define the starting point. The process assumes that there is a
> clear 'status quo', and that a consensus is required to change it.
> This may not always be th
One interesting point about consensus decision-making process is the
need to define the starting point. The process assumes that there is a
clear 'status quo', and that a consensus is required to change it.
This may not always be the appropriate way to think about retiring a
podling, but it's clear
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
> I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
> resolve this.
>
> I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
> so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
>
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
> > If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
> > another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
> > with that.
>
> As usual a
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
> another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
> with that.
As usual a -1 should be backed by a credible alternative. I'm willing
to step in,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
> ...I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
> so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
> another try, i've offered to help with that (any other offers of help?),
> what have we got t
I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
resolve this.
I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
another try, i've offered to help with that (any other offers
Yeah my sentiments here are of caution -- seems like we need to root out
what is going on here based on the community reaction.
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 26, 2012, at 2:59 AM, ant elder wrote:
> -1
>
> In the vote on their dev list there wasn't unanimous support for retiring
> the project, that shou
Another favor:
What are the voting rules for this case? I'm assuming that -1 != veto,
but can anyone point to precedent or documentation I'd be grateful.
A caution: I have been up since 4:15AM and it's now 7:24PM, so I'm
prone to overlook the obvious.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bertrand D
Le 26 nov. 2012 21:06, "Benson Margulies" a écrit :
>
> For those voting -1, I'd like to see, on another thread, some
> discussion about just how we handle podlings where there are
> longstanding issues but no consensus on the PPMC
Based on the mentors additional info, and after reviewing the
Matthew B.
wrote:
> +1
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Alan Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com]
>>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:00 PM
>>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>Subject: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation
>>
>>Hi,
+1
>-Original Message-
>From: Alan Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com]
>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:00 PM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation
>
>Hi,
>
>The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>
> Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote on
> confirming this decision.
>
[X ] +1 Retire the Chukwa project
Bernd, after careful considera
+1. Whatever merits the Chukwa codebase may have, it's not got an active
community - there's just no way around that. Eric's heroic efforts,
notwithstanding, it's time to see if it'll have success in Github.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
wrote:
> +1
>
> I don't see how
+1
I don't see how the project can grow a community.
The community vote received a single -1, most others "don't care".
With most of the community members "not caring" about their project
and the sole active developer concurring, I believe its a better match
for GitHub.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12
On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jukka Zitting
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>>> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>>
>> -1 The community vote [1] was far from unanimous. I'd expect
I just read the last few months of discussion on the list.
I think that retirement really isn't a bad idea. The single active
developer (Eric Y) is the only one who voted against retirement.
It really seems like this project would do better in a place like github.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:37
> [X] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
As others have said in this thread there's no clear consensus.
-Bertrand
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>
> -1 The community vote [1] was far from unanimous. I'd expect the
> community being retired to have greater consensus (or, as is
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
-1 The community vote [1] was far from unanimous. I'd expect the
community being retired to have greater consensus (or, as is more
common in such situations, at least indifference) ab
-1
In the vote on their dev list there wasn't unanimous support for retiring
the project, that should be sorted out first before forcibly retiring them
and while there are still people who want to give it a go to try to make it
work.
...ant
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Alan Cabrera wrot
On Sunday, November 25, 2012, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>
> Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote
> on confirming this decision.
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Chukwa project
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project,
+1
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>
> Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote
> on confirming this decision.
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Chukwa project
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the
+1
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>
> Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote on
> confirming this decision.
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Chukwa project
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the
Hi,
The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote on
confirming this decision.
[ ] +1 Retire the Chukwa project
[ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.h
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