No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote: ... *Mailing Lists* kitty-dev kitty-commits kitty-user Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the community across

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Dan Haywood
Isis mentors: Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined mailing list for -dev and -user? Dan On 08/09/2010 08:10, Martijn Dashorst wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote:  Isis mentors: Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined mailing list for -dev and -user? ... Like Martijn and Greg I think that's a

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 I barely see the users list used in OWB and even in MyFaces ;) I'd say an isis-...@incubator.a.o + isis-comm...@i.a.o list would do fine for now. LieGrue, strub --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: No dev-, user-

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
+1 especially since incubation is about establishing a developers community -M On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: +1 I barely see the users list used in OWB and even in MyFaces ;) I'd say an isis-...@incubator.a.o + isis-comm...@i.a.o list would do fine

RE: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Gav...
The private, dev and commits list is all that has been asked for. See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2971 so your fine. gav... -Original Message- From: mwessend...@gmail.com [mailto:mwessend...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Matthias Wessendorf Sent: Wednesday, 8 September

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread dan haywood
My bad for possibly confusing things, then. Benson got it right when he raised that ticket in the first place. Dan On 8 September 2010 10:33, Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: The private, dev and commits list is all that has been asked for. See

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Benson Margulies
Well, we could neglect to tell anyone about the user list until we need it. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote: Isis mentors: Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread James Carman
Isn't Isis a different bird though? It has been around for a long time and is likely to actually have existing users On Sep 8, 2010 7:04 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we could neglect to tell anyone about the user list until we need it. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Robert Matthews
One point against this is that we have had a long-standing user list, and it is the developer list that is new and growing. People are use to the user list already. If we are going to combine the two then I suggest we have a -user list now and let the developers grow out of that. Rob On Wed,

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread dan haywood
On 8 September 2010 12:16, James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Isn't Isis a different bird though? It has been around for a long time and is likely to actually have existing users It has some, but not enough to be sustainable. Hence entry into the incubator to build both its user

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread dan haywood
On 8 September 2010 12:19, Robert Matthews rmatth...@nakedobjects.orgwrote: One point against this is that we have had a long-standing user list, ... ... People are used to the user list already. We do, but it's going to change anyway when we make the apache mailing list available.

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread James Carman
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:39 AM, dan haywood d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote: For the moment at least the dev community is more active (or at least more vocal), so their mailing list should be the main focal point.  As I said in the other email, when we have more user traffic than dev

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread sebb
On 8 September 2010 12:39, dan haywood d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote: snip/ And another benefit of putting user traffic on the dev list is that it'll give the devs exposure to any probs that regular users are having with actually using the framework (ie so we can mature its

[VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Ingersoll
Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the

Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to

Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread Tim Williams
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to

Quick project submission question

2010-09-08 Thread Carl Trieloff
What is the view of having a project in Apache that pulls substantial components that are licensed under ASL as dependencies into the code base. I.e. not coping the code, but using components that have been built and maintained elsewhere under ASL but used as dependencies for running. I

Re: Quick project submission question

2010-09-08 Thread Scott Wilson
On 8 Sep 2010, at 15:13, Carl Trieloff wrote: What is the view of having a project in Apache that pulls substantial components that are licensed under ASL as dependencies into the code base. I.e. not coping the code, but using components that have been built and maintained elsewhere

Re: Quick project submission question

2010-09-08 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 09/08/2010 10:29 AM, Scott Wilson wrote: On 8 Sep 2010, at 15:13, Carl Trieloff wrote: What is the view of having a project in Apache that pulls substantial components that are licensed under ASL as dependencies into the code base. I.e. not coping the code, but using components that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator

2010-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
+1 (Notbinding) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote: ... *Mailing Lists* kitty-dev kitty-commits kitty-user Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the

Re: Quick project submission question

2010-09-08 Thread Scott Wilson
On 8 Sep 2010, at 15:40, Carl Trieloff wrote: On 09/08/2010 10:29 AM, Scott Wilson wrote: On 8 Sep 2010, at 15:13, Carl Trieloff wrote: What is the view of having a project in Apache that pulls substantial components that are licensed under ASL as dependencies into the code base.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator

2010-09-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sep 8, 2010, at 1:22 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote: ... *Mailing Lists* kitty-dev kitty-commits kitty-user Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the community across dev/user does not

Re: Quick project submission question

2010-09-08 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 09/08/2010 11:06 AM, Scott Wilson wrote: On 8 Sep 2010, at 15:40, Carl Trieloff wrote: On 09/08/2010 10:29 AM, Scott Wilson wrote: On 8 Sep 2010, at 15:13, Carl Trieloff wrote: What is the view of having a project in Apache that pulls substantial components

Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread Kalle Korhonen
-0.5 (non-binding), I find the proposed name rather confusing Kalle On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see

Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, [x] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread Michael McCandless
[x] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework. Mike On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, [x] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework BR, Jukka Zitting

Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: -0.5 (non-binding), I find the proposed name rather confusing -1. I should probably have listened in (and participated) on the previous discussion, but I agree with Kalle. Connector is such a wide term, that I

Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread Glen Daniels
On 9/8/2010 8:44 AM, ant elder wrote: -0 I agree with the comments from David and others such as [1] and the suggestion at [2] to call it something more abstract like Apache Connecto. Thats IMHO anyway, I'm not sure that the IPMC should be the ones with binding votes on this but it would

RE: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-09-08 Thread Gav...
-Original Message- From: Grant Ingersoll [mailto:gsing...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:18 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework Hi, After much debate both here and on