Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1 2012/1/8 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de: Dear IPMC, dear Community! The Apache Bean-Validation project provides an ALv2 licensed implementation of the JSR-303 Bean Validation Specification and would like to start a VOTE on graduating as a TLP. The podling is in the incubator since

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
+1 Regards JB On 01/09/2012 09:04 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: +1 2012/1/8 Mark Strubergstrub...@yahoo.de: Dear IPMC, dear Community! The Apache Bean-Validation project provides an ALv2 licensed implementation of the JSR-303 Bean Validation Specification and would like to start a VOTE on

On Etch status

2012-01-09 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Etch is a cross-platform, language- and transport-independent framework for building and consuming network services. The Etch toolset includes a network service description language, a compiler, and binding libraries for a variety of programming languages. It currently supports C, C# and Java.

Re: On Etch status

2012-01-09 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Just as an aside: I intend on staying with the PMC to provide oversight as a Member (and being a familiar Mentor), provided the Etch community wants me to tag along. Martijn On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Etch is a cross-platform, language-

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Benson, I dint have time for a full response. However, I have a couple podlings that are in a similar position to Isis. That is, reasonably healthy, but small community. The ASF is about communities, if there is no community there is no TLP. Without having a concrete proposal from you regardunf

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sam, Rather than argue about the existence and interpretation of

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 4:11 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 January 2012 21:04, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Dear IPMC, dear Community! The Apache Bean-Validation project provides an ALv2 licensed implementation of the JSR-303 Bean Validation Specification and would like to

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, +1 to graduate, with the following note: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-09 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Just an FYI: I have posted a status update on Etch on general@, hoping it doesn't fall on deaf ears with all the discussions going on: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201201.mbox/%3ccab63y-dsjkbkeljkhuvkbdlmsjwvfvixo0fnxexofhq1v4m...@mail.gmail.com%3e Martijn On Sun,

Re: On Etch status

2012-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Etch is a cross-platform, language- and transport-independent framework for building and consuming network services. The Etch toolset includes a network service description language, a compiler, and binding

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread sebb
On 9 January 2012 04:41, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: This has been the subject of prior conversations, but I'm opening a thread in some hope of reaching a definitive resolution. Some of our

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Ross Gardler
On 9 January 2012 12:46, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ... I don't know about the more autonomy proposal but I had a quick look at Isis. If they've never added any new committers thats a worry but other than

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-09 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
Does my answer below suffice? It would be nice to close this vote out one way or another -Original Message- From: Franklin, Matthew B. [mailto:mfrank...@mitre.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sam, I started this separate thread because I view this situation as distinctive from the problem you are referring to here. I take that situation just as seriously as you do, I think. If you'd prefer that I drop

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-09 Thread sebb
On 9 January 2012 13:09, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: Does my answer below suffice?   It would be nice to close this vote out one way or another The answer describes what happened. However, it does not fix the problem, which is that the end-user sees a file with

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-09 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
-Original Message- From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 8:21 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating On 9 January 2012 13:09, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: Does my answer below suffice?  

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Mark Struberg
I'm actively mentoring Isis. With having bval out of incubation I will also find a bit more time to review the bits and pieces a bit better. Isis really has a pretty active community and we have quite some users coming along. It would maybe make sense to shift direction a bit from a pure

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Matt Benson
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, +1 to graduate, with the following note: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and

Re: Gora Incubator Graduation Resolution

2012-01-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Board@, Ferdy Galema accepted our invite for the Gora PPMC + committership so I just updated the Gora resolution in r32841 to include his name. Cheers, Chris On Jan 3, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Okey dok, I added it in r32707 now that Doug created the agenda.

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
Since this thread has come back to life, I read through it and have one comment to add: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 20:27, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... I can see two problems with this view to begin with. One is IP management. The more people participate in a project and the

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Upayavira
Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign' the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor? Upayavira On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 08:10 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Hyrum K Wright
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 7, 2012 4:24 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: ... The original developers are not ambivalent to this fork. Untrue. Christian and Remy are, and always

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign' the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor? I feel that what I am learning here is

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/9/2012 7:04 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: I don't think Wookie should graduate, but it certainly shouldn't be kicked out (and I don't think it will be). However, as I not above incubation may be holding it back. The question for me is, can we do more for projects that are in this position?

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira wrote: Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign' the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor? How about simply sign off on podling-dev@? Even if it is Thanks

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Joe Schaefer
Lame.  I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off on the wiki. - Original Message - From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk Sent:

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Mark Struberg
Frankly, I don't see that much use.  Of course reports are very important, but they most of the times are just copied over from the previous month + a few adoptions. And most of the times it's fine. What I really expect from a mentor is to look at the code a bit, check if the code style is

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/9/2012 12:27 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Lame. I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off on the wiki. My point was, all mentors need to reply to the draft. -One- of them, or a leader in the community would

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Kalle Korhonen
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Hyrum K Wright hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote: I think the Trac community sees this as a zero-sum game: if people are contributing to Bloodhound, they *aren't* contributing to Trac. Instead, we should try to convince the Bloodhound people that our philosophy is

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 1

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Yang
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:04 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: There are quite a few files without any licenses at all, e.g. conf/aggregator.sql conf/database_create_tables.sql src/main/web/hicc/css/default.css The NOTICE file should only contain *required* notices. In particular, the

[VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 2

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Yang
Hi all, Chukwa 0.5.0 is ready for release. This will be the first incubator release for Chukwa. The source tarball artifact is available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-rc2/ Documents are available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-docs/ The SVN tag to be

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Upayavira
I was even thinking something like 'miss two reports, you're no longer a mentor', but that might be a bit draconian :-) I know I would fail according to the above criteria. But I suspect a clear minimum would help keep me at least minimally connected. Upayavira On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM,

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Joe Schaefer
I would like to see the Incubator someday reach the point where we could DISTRIBUTE our oversight across the podling lists, where graduation votes are largely ceremonial other than vetting the language, where release votes happen solely on dev lists, etc. But we will NEVER get there and still do

Maven coordinate for incubating podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Alan D . Cabrera
It's my understanding that the group and artifact id do not include the token incubating or incubator but that -incubating is suffixed to the version number. Do I understand the requirements correctly? Regards, Alan - To

RE: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
-Original Message- From: Alan D.Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 3:47 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings It's my understanding that the group and artifact id do not include the token incubating or

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-09 Thread Mark Struberg
Hi Jukka! Thanks for this very constructive post! I'm not a native english speaker, but even I understand the point with not using JSR-330 but a more 'descriptive' wording :) What about the following? WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Lame. I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off on the wiki. +1 on the mentors WRITING the reports part. I always try to do that until my podlings beat me to it

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
+1, I couldn't have said it any better myself, Joe. Cheers, Chris On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: I would like to see the Incubator someday reach the point where we could DISTRIBUTE our oversight across the podling lists, where graduation votes are largely ceremonial other

Re: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: -Original Message- From: Alan D.Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 3:47 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings It's my

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 2

2012-01-09 Thread sebb
On 9 January 2012 19:40, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Chukwa 0.5.0 is ready for release.  This will be the first incubator release for Chukwa. The source tarball artifact is available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-rc2/ Documents are available at:

Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-09 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, [to: general@, cc: callback-dev@] As discussed during the Callback proposal phase [1], the podling community wasn't too certain about the Callback name and thus after some discussion they recently voted [2] on adopting the new name Apache Cordova. The vote and its result was mentioned in the

Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-09 Thread sebb
On 10 January 2012 02:29, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, [to: general@, cc: callback-dev@] As discussed during the Callback proposal phase [1], the podling community wasn't too certain about the Callback name and thus after some discussion they recently voted [2] on

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 7, 2012 4:24 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: ... The original developers are not ambivalent to this

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Ethan Jucovy
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: I don't follow that. Is Edgewall still a formal organization capable of owning copyright? If not, who owns the copyright? Have Christian and Remy stopped all work on Trac, or are they just busy with their $jobs?

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 9, 2012 10:03 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: ... And, no, the discussion has not been with the Trac community -- it was in private with a few individuals; as far as Apache is concerned, it never happened. And Oracle's private conversations, and their decisions regarding

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 release candidate 2

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Yang
Thank you for the multiple examples. I think I finally understand what you are saying, and the information on LEGAL-59, and LEGAL-62. I will re-spin rc3 with a new svn tag with required changes in NOTICE file. Thanks regards, Eric On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:

[VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Yang
Hi all, Chukwa 0.5.0 is ready for release. This will be the first incubator release for Chukwa. The source tarball artifact is available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-rc3/ Documents are available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-docs/ The SVN tag to be