+1(binding)
Gurkan
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Gönderildiği Tarih: 5 Aralık 2011 0:11 Pazartesi
Konu: [VOTE] DeltaSpike to join the Incubator
Hello,
Please vote on the acceptance of DeltaSpike into the
+1 (binding)
Gurkan
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Konu: [PROPOSAL] Apache DeltaSpike - CDI-Extensions project
Hi!
JBoss, The Apache
+1 (binding)
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From: David Lutterkort lut...@redhat.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 3:45:08 AM
Subject: [VOTE] Deltacloud Project
Hi all,
after the discussion so far [1], I'd like to put Detlacloud for a vote
for acceptance
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Deltacloud Project
Hi Gurkan,
As a Member, just ask to be an IPMC member and you will become one.
Craig
On May 7, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
I would like to mentor but I am not a IPMC member.
But if possible I would like to contribute and you could add me
Hi;
+1;
I am happy to help during incubation process;
Thanks;
--Gurkan
From: David Lutterkort lut...@redhat.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 10:41:19 PM
Subject: [PROPOSAL] Deltacloud Project
Hi,
I would like to propose the
:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Deltacloud Project
On 05/07/2010 02:33 AM, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
Hi;
+1;
I am happy to help during incubation process;
Thanks;
--Gurkan
Gurkan,
Is this an offer to help mentor the project, or just help out as needed.
Reason
for asking is if you
+1
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From: Simone Gianni simo...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 1:48:46 AM
Subject: [VOTE][PROPOSAL] Amber incubator
I would like to present for a vote the following proposal to be sponsored by
the Shindig PMC for a
Hi;
Is there any rule/policy for using third-party maven repositories in our
project poms? Recently, we have required to list some repositories in
settings.xml (for example: jboss) to our codebase built correctly. But when
Apache-Hudson runs to built daily, it throws errors because of not finding
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From: Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:32:04 PM
Subject: [VOTE] Recommend OpenWebBeans graduation to an Apache TLP
Hi;
After over one years
Hi;
This is a reminder email that 72 hours have already passed.
What other IPMC members think about graduation? So far we have three
binding +1 votes from
Kevan Miller,
Matthias Wessendorf,
Bertrand Delacretaz
Thanks;
--Gurkan
2009/12/7 Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com
Hi;
After
;
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Board Resolution Report
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WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project,
to be known as Apache OpenWebBeans, related to the implementation
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distribution, which from
my quick scan is only distributing Apache Licensed source code.
Also, a minor thing is that the source and binary distribution (zip
files at least) are extracting to the same folder...
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
This is why I
who helps us to pass this hard marathon :) ;
Gurkan Erdogdu
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu
cgurkanerdo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi;
This is the RC-2 of releasing the OpenWebBeans M3.
OpenWebBeans is an Apache License, Version 2.0 implementation of the
JSR-299: Contexts and Dependency Injection for the Java EE platform
which is defined
Hi;
72 hours are over. We have not receiving any VOTE to release M3.
Please have a look at the artifacts below, we require to get 2 more IPMC votes.
Thanks;
--Gurkan
From: Gurkan Erdogdu cgurkanerdo...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent
Hi;
This is the RC-2 of releasing the OpenWebBeans M3.
OpenWebBeans is an Apache License, Version 2.0 implementation of the
JSR-299: Contexts and Dependency Injection for the Java EE platform
which is defined as JSR-299.
OpenWebBeans entered the incubator in October 26, 2008.
There is one
Hi;
This is the second try of releasing the OpenWebBeans M3. I have corrected
Sebb's concerns.
OpenWebBeans is an ASL-licensed implementation of the JSR-299: Contexts and
Dependency Injection for the Java EE platform which is
defined as JSR-299. OpenWebBeans entered the incubator in October
, September 17, 2009 11:25:55 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Release OpenWebBeans M3
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Niall;
The usual process is to allow 72hrs for a vote and not just declare it
when 3 votes are received. Also Sebb raised an issue
packages from the next release.
Thanks;
--Gurkan
From: sebb seb...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:52:31 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Relese OpenWebBeans M3- (Second Try)
On 17/09/2009, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:37:51 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Relese OpenWebBeans M3- (Second Try)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Gurkan Erdogdu
gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi;
This is the second try of releasing the OpenWebBeans M3. I have corrected
Sebb's concerns.
OpenWebBeans
to graduate but it requires some more community!
Thanks;
--Gurkan
2009/9/14 Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com
Hi;
OpenWebBeans is an ASL-licensed implementation of the JSR-299:
Contexts and Dependency Injection for the Java EE platform which is
defined as JSR-299. OpenWebBeans entered
.
--Gurkan
2009/9/17 sebb seb...@gmail.com
On 14/09/2009, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi;
OpenWebBeans is an ASL-licensed implementation of the JSR-299:
Contexts and Dependency Injection for the Java EE platform which is
defined as JSR-299. OpenWebBeans entered
Hi;
The [VOTE] is now closed. The [VOTE] to release OpenWebBeans-M3 is
successful.
There are three +1 binding
+1 Votes
-
* Kevan Miller (binding)
* Matthias Wessendorf (binding)
* Niall Pemberton (binding)
I will add distribution artifacts to the incubator dist/ place and
at 10:30 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu
cgurkanerdo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi;
The [VOTE] is now closed. The [VOTE] to release OpenWebBeans-M3 is
successful.
There are three +1 binding
The usual process is to allow 72hrs for a vote and not just declare it
when 3 votes are received. Also Sebb raised an issue
Hi;
I think it is more meaningful to cancel VOTE to apply Sebb concerns and create
a new release!
Thanks;
--Gurkan
From: Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:01:50 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE
Hi;
OpenWebBeans is an ASL-licensed implementation of the JSR-299:
Contexts and Dependency Injection for the Java EE platform which is
defined as JSR-299. OpenWebBeans entered the incubator in October 26, 2008.
There are two *binding* +1 VOTEs from openwebbeans-...@.. We still require to
Hi Bertrand;
What's preventing OpenWebBeans from graduating?
That's the best way of streamlining your release process.
Actually this is ongoing discussion in the openwebbeans dev list. There are two
solutions here, sub-project under Geronimo or TLP. But community are voted on
being a TLP. The
Hi;
I would like to specify some concerns about podling release procedure.
As an experienced podling releaser guy from the OpenWebBeans podling , it
takes too much days to release internal milestones of the project. I know
that podling mentors/committers may delay to VOTE because of doing other
Hi;
The [VOTE] is now closed. The [VOTE] to release OpenWebBeans-M2 is successful.
There are three +1 binding and one non-binding +0 votes, not -1.
+1 Votes
-
* Kevan Miller (binding)
* Matthias Wessendorf (binding)
* Ant Elder (binding)
+0 Votes
-
*Sebastian
are not blockers, but it would help if they were
fixed before any new tags are made.
On 01/06/2009, Gurkan Erdogdu cgurkanerdo...@gmail.com wrote:
Also this is the commit command
Revision *780477*
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revsortby=logsortdir=downrevision=780477
-
Directory
Listing
+1
votes and no 0 or -1 votes from podling PMC members.
[VOTES]
Kevan Miller +1 Binding (PPMC)
Gurkan Erdogdu +1 (PPMC)
Mark Struberg +1 (PPMC)
[VOTE Thread] :
http://www.mail-archive.com/openwebbeans-...@incubator.apache.org/msg00944.html
More information about the project can be found here
should be deleted from the plugins
directory tree before deployment, as they serve no useful purpose.
The licenses/ directory should be deleted from SVN as it is no longer needed.
On 01/06/2009, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi;
I have corrected the errors. New artifacts can
From: sebb seb...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:36:12 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release OpenWebBeans 1.0.0-incubating-M2
On 26/05/2009, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi;
OpenWebBeans will be an ASL
, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
The .asc.md5 and .asc.sha1 hashes should be deleted as they serve no
purpose.
The POM files in the source archives have the wrong version; they are
using
1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT whereas they should have
1.0.0-incubating-M2
This is a release
;
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From: sebb seb...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:38:07 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release OpenWebBeans 1.0.0-incubating-M2
On 31/05/2009, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
The .asc.md5 and .asc.sha1
-incubating-M2(Second Try)
On 31/05/2009, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi;
I have corrected the errors. New artifacts can be found at the below URLs.
Plugins repository
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Please provide the SVN revision which applies to the current tag.
Current Tag Revision is 780496
Sorry I have given wrong revision. Current M2 tag is created based on version
At revision 780504
-- Gurkan
From: Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com
: [VOTE] Release OpenWebBeans 1.0.0-incubating-M2(Second Try)
On 31/05/2009, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Please provide the SVN revision which applies to the current tag.
Current Tag Revision is 780496
Sorry I have given wrong revision. Current M2 tag is created based
Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com
Sorry I do not understand what you mean. I am also not a svn expert.
I am looking at
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.0.0-incubating-M2/?pathrev=780504
.
When I opened URL, it shows the
Directory revision
Hi folks;
We require one more binding vote to publish release.
Thanks;
-- Gurkan
2009/5/26 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org
+1 (binding)
-Matthias
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Hi;
OpenWebBeans will be an ASL-licensed
/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.0.0-incubating-M2/
The release vote on the openwebbeans-dev mailing list resulted in three +1
votes and no 0 or -1 votes from podling PMC members.
[VOTES]
Kevan Miller +1 Binding (PPMC)
Gurkan Erdogdu +1 (PPMC)
Mark Struberg +1 (PPMC)
[VOTE Thread] :
http
Hi;
Apache Incubator project OpenWebBeans has released first M1 version
successfully. You could obtain the distribution artifacts from the URL,
http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/openwebbeans/.
Thanks to all for helping us in this first release process.
Gurkan Erdogdu
;
Gurkan Erdogdu
Hi;
Now we have three +1 binding votes for releasing the M1 artifacts.
* Kevan Miller
* Matthias Wessendorf
* Luciano Resende.
[VOTE] will be open for next 24 hours for reviewing by anybody else.
Thanks;
/Gurkan Erdogdu
From: Luciano Resende luckbr1
More information about the project can be found here:
[Incubation Status Page ] :
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openwebbeans.html
[Project Page] :
http://incubator.apache.org/openwebbeans/1.0.0-SNAPSHOT/index.html
Thanks;
Gurkan Erdogdu
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Hi;
I do not see any entry related with the January 2009 report for the incubator
projects in the Wiki. What is the last date to send January report?
Happy new year to all Apache folks :)
Thanks;
Gurkan Erdogdu
Hi Noel;
I have added the 2009 Report Schedule into the Front Page, and also January
2009 Report with due date 12th.
Gurkan Erdogdu
From: Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 8:11:08 PM
Subject: RE
OpenEJB, OpenJPA, OpenWebBeans
and
OpenDeploy :)
From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:21:38 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum
On Dec 18, 2008, at 6:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Ok. Then after the January report is done, I will change project reporting
group in the ReportingSchedule to the appropriate group.
Thanks;
2008/12/2 David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
When I look at the OpenWebBeans in the clutch status table,
column E
only has 7 podlings
(the others have a dozen or so), that might be a better group for OpenWebBeans.
And you can update the page any time; no need to wait until the three month
reporting is complete.
Craig
On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
Ok. Then after the January report
Hi;
When I look at the OpenWebBeans in the clutch status table,column E:
hasReportingGroup - did podling remember to choose a group is colored as a
read flag.
How will we change this color to yellow?
Thanks;
Gurkan Erdogdu
for creating Html/JavaScript/CSS rendering? Because
there were lots of problems that the people avoided the use of applets in
the browser.
Thanks ;
Gurkan Erdogdu
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2008/11/19 Greg Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello all,
The Pivot development team would like to submit the Pivot Toolkit
Hi;
Is it possible to do this thing? Could I get permission to edit the
authorization files?
Thanks;
GE
2008/11/18 David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevan Miller wrote:
Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
I looked at the https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1775 for
creating the SVN
Ok. Thanks a lot David for your great helping.
GE
2008/11/21 David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
Hi;
Is it possible to do this thing? Could I get permission to edit the
authorization files?
You don't need to edit anything. It is done.
I was referring to the first
Thanks, it works.
Gurkan
From: David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:14:55 AM
Subject: OpenWebBeans svn authorization (Was: Update Incubator Status Page)
Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
I am the comitter
Hi;
I looked at the https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1775 for
creating the SVN, but it is commented with Not an infra task. Needs to be
done by someone on the incubator pmc.
How will we going on?
Thanks;
Gurkan Erdogdu
Hi;
I am the comitter of the recently incubator OpenWebBeans. I tried to do tasks
that are explained in the http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html to
update OpenWebBeans site (to put it into the site-author/projects/index.xml,
and site-author/stylesheets/project.xml, also some updates
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. But the svn
repo is not working yet. When it is going to be avail ?
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How will we progress on this? As a committer can I produce these pages?
Or
mentors of the project should do?
Thanks;
Gurkan
2008/11/6
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Hey Kevin, is there anything that I have to do for quick start.
GE
2008/10/27 David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Gurkan Erdogdu
This is the vote result for the OpenWebBeans proposal;
* Matt Hogstrom +1 (binding)
* Martijn Dashorst +1 (binding
Sorry for my spelling error Kevan.
2008/10/27 Gurkan Erdogdu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey Kevin, is there anything that I have to do for quick start.
GE
2008/10/27 David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Gurkan Erdogdu
This is the vote result for the OpenWebBeans proposal
Gustavsson +1 (non-binding)
* Matthias Wessendorf +1 (non-binding-champion)
* Niklas Gustavsson +1 (non-binding)
* James Carman +1 (non-binding)
* Gurkan Erdogdu +1 (non-binding)
Thanks to everyone, and I think VOTE is passed :)
What will be the next step for us
if anything I need to do. Thanks much
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(binding)
* Niclas Hedhman +1 (binding)
Sincerely;
Gurkan Erdogdu
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From: Gurkan Erdogdu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:50:15 PM
Subject: [VOTE] Accepting OpenWebBeans into the Incubator
Incubator PMC,
Please
Hey James;
Sorry for forgetting to add your vote sending before into the list
Thanks for re-vote;
Gurkan Erdogdu
2008/10/20 James Carman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1 (non-binding)
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi;
Incubator PMC
with simple
message.
Anyway , What does the IPMC thinks about this proposal to continue with or
not? and whether or not it is applicable to vote this proposal?
Sincerely;
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on Monday (always bad over a weekend)
-M
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi;
This is the last situation after struggled to achieve communicating the
Web
Beans Specification EG members.
I tried to contact with Gavin King, Pete Muir (JBoss
believe that open source must be transparent, and
the community appreciates the heavy working to implement this spec within the
Apache Foundation.
Sincerely;
Gurkan Erdogdu
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From: J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, October
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From: Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:52:25 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]
2008/10/13 Gurkan Erdogdu [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Matthias,
I do not know the mail adress
applications.
=== Core Developers ===
Open Web Beans project has been developing by the open source developer Gurkan
Erdogdu as a sole contributor.
=== Alignment ===
Open Web Beans project will be a candidate for use in Geronimo AS as a default
Web Beans Container. Other projects could benefit from
]
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 11:48:42 AM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Gurkan Erdogdu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How to get or sign this NDA to view current draft spec? Is it required to be
part of the EG
Proposal]
I am part of the EG, but I can't share the draft PDFs.
You need a NDA for that.
-M
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kevan, Matthias;
The project current code base is in the sourceforge --
http://bigfaces.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc
]
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 3, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
Hi to all;
I have posted a proposal about the project, named OpenWebBeans.
It is in the WIKI, its address is
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenWebBeansProposal
I made
Hi Conny,
Its great, and thanks for interesting about the proposal. I have just sent the
source code of the implementation sourceforge addresses to the this group (It
is http://bigfaces.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bigfaces/webbeansimpl/).
Lets discuss the things about the implementation and
Hi Bill;
Thanks for considering about the proposal. This is the seperate effort from the
Gavin King. Actually, I have requested from the Gavin to add me as an observer
to the working group, I haven't received any response.
I changed the wrong term *JEE* from the proposal.
Sincerely;
Hi to all;
My name is Gurkan Erdogdu. I have been implementing the Web Beans Specification
- JSR-299, EDR-1. 90% of the specification code is completed with its unit
tests. I want to denote my working for the Apache Foundation, because I am the
believer of the open source. As an open source
:11 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi to all;
My name is Gurkan Erdogdu. I have been implementing the Web Beans
Specification - JSR-299, EDR-1. 90% of the specification code is completed
with its unit tests. I want to denote my working for the Apache Foundation,
because I am
Hi to all;
I have posted a proposal about the project, named OpenWebBeans.
It is in the WIKI, its address is
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenWebBeansProposal
Thanks for advance;
Gurkan Erdogdu
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