On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:29, Colin Chalmers wrote:
It's good to know your enemy but lets not talk Java into it's grave. Just
because MickySoft comes out with something to compete against Java people
seem to be taking fright and already talking about ditching Java for C#
thereby playing into
Let's see: Microsoft is going to be a better deal in terms of open code
than Sun Microsystems? Hmmm? Guess I must have missed the banana boat on
this one.
I guess since I am fed up because Sun won't let me have free rein with
their code, I should ballyhoo C#, which will be 100 times more
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:45, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote:
Let's see: Microsoft is going to be a better deal in terms of open code
than Sun Microsystems?
err ... you trolling ? guess so.
I guess since I am fed up because Sun won't let me have free rein with
their code, I should
Yes! Actually Apache is funded fully by Microsoft and its all been this
big farce.. We'll be close sourcing everything and handing it back to
Bill! Don't worry, Soon we'll have Microsoft leadership for the whole
group!
-Andy
On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 16:45, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote:
Do
Thanx, Andy. There have been such rumours! ;-)
At 08:02 AM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote:
Yes! Actually Apache is funded fully by Microsoft and its all been this
big farce.. We'll be close sourcing everything and handing it back to
Bill! Don't worry, Soon we'll have Microsoft leadership for the
Darn...and I was saving that one for April 1 :-)
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:43:05 -0800 Micael Padraig Og mac Grene
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Thanx, Andy. There have been such rumours! ;-)
At 08:02 AM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote:
Yes! Actually Apache is funded fully by Microsoft and its all been this
On 2/24/02 01:28, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But my fear is that .NET might be even worse in the long run :/
I admit that I have fear and loathing of the .NET moniker and all that
Microsoft is associating it with. But as far as the CLI and the class
libraries, well, quite
On 2/24/02 13:45, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do you really thing that C# is going to be a competitor to Java? That
amazes me. Do you guys work for Microsoft?
Troll.
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On 2/5/02 08:24, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET classes and
java-cloning classes and I say let's kiss java good bye.
I keep telling you:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/
Get this guy to release it APL and then we can get up and go!
:-)
-Andy
On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 04:28, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
James Duncan Davidson wrote:
On 2/5/02 08:24, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My position:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Gosh, I think I'll have to write my own programming platform one day to
avoid all this.
I thought you already did ... you mean I *cannot* write device drivers and
run them on Cocoon? Rats ...
:-)
Craig
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On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 15:20, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Gosh, I think I'll have to write my own programming platform one day to
Do you really thing that C# is going to be a competitor to Java? That
amazes me. Do you guys work for Microsoft?
At 10:28 AM 2/24/02 +0100, you wrote:
James Duncan Davidson wrote:
On 2/5/02 08:24, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My position: give me a solid (possibly
To build on what Micael said,
It's good to know your enemy but lets not talk Java into it's grave. Just
because MickySoft comes out with something to compete against Java people
seem to be taking fright and already talking about ditching Java for C#
thereby playing into Mickys hand. Has Micky
On 2/5/02 08:24, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET classes and
java-cloning classes and I say let's kiss java good bye.
Heh. You are ahead of schedule. I figured
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 11:24, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
They dropped the ball for java on the desktop: sun management decided
that it will never happen: there will be no Java
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
*if* there was an open, semi-stable platform then I am sure a fair
chunk of people would flock to it - especially if it is under a nice
license like MIT that both the BSD and GPL people seem to like.
BUT THERE WON'T BE!
you
snip/
Become a strategist. There will always a need for people telling people
what they should do next. At least for people that does not read these
lists. ;)
Where do I sign? :-) I'm always happy telling people what they should
do next ;-).
-Andy
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
proprietary even after they promised us for *years* that it would be
standardized?
Are you looking towards
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Frankly Sun should learn from IBM model and start to sell services
instead of just software.
They already sell services :)
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Kevin A. Burton wrote:
Heck no. .NET/c# why would I want to use an even more proprietary thing
to get back at SUN? Heck no.
... hm.. this discussion could be on the list... buy anyway.
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On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
proprietary even after they promised us for *years* that it
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
proprietary even after they promised us for
Peter is correct. A few links (you can see my name in the first one):
http://www.ecma.ch/ecma1/MEMENTO/TC39-G3.HTM
http://www.ecma.ch/ecma1/NEWS/NEWS.HTM
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2002/02/04/mono.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23919.html
Andrew C Oliver wrote:
A few links:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2002/02/04/mono.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23919.html
http://www.ximian.com/devzone/projects/mono.html
http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/
http://www.halcyonsoft.com/news/javadotnet.asp
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:48:28 -0500 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote.
Andrew C Oliver wrote:
A few links:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2002/02/04/mono.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23919.html
http://www.ximian.com/devzone/projects/mono.html
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues.
Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix things. The java-is-dead
mailing list is for people who love Java but are *very*
Hi Stefano,
-Mensaje original-
De: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET classes and
java-cloning classes and I say let's kiss java good bye.
And
Most of the Mono Ximian crowd is in Boston IIRC. Give them a shout.
Scott
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!
On Tue, 5
Stefano, you are right on the mark as usual. As soon as a java2c#
porting tool is available, the hordes will probably be moving on...
-Original Message-
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:25 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject:
on 2/4/02 8:29 PM, Aaron Smuts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could someone explain the issue, especially with reference to JSR107
(JCACHE).
Aaron
Yes. I'm on JSR 107 and I seem to be the only really vocal person there
about my needs. Brian Goetz cares as well, but isn't nearly as vocal.
on 2/5/02 10:55 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the other hand the porting tool already exists. See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualj/jump/. Yet the hordes still remain.
- Sam Ruby
My favorite quote:
The Java Language Conversion Assistant has been developed independently by
Sam, I always get a kick out of your droll submissions. Thanks for the
quiet humor, which always includes informational content and never is too
biting. Micael
At 01:55 PM 2/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
Scott Sanders wrote:
Stefano, you are right on the mark as usual. As soon as a java2c#
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 04:09, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote:
Hi Stefano,
-Mensaje original-
De: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote:
Sam, I always get a kick out of your droll submissions. Thanks for the
quiet humor, which always includes informational content and never is too
biting. Micael
If you liked that, you might also like
http://radio.weblogs.com/0101679/2002/02/02.html#a61 .
From: Scott Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Stefano, you are right on the mark as usual. As soon as a java2c#
porting tool is available, the hordes will probably be moving on...
Actually, forget a porting tool. I want an open-source version of
something like this:
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Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues.
Note that this mailing list is a
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
In case you didn't notice, Sun might go out of business as soon as a
couple of years: if even Oracle says that bigiron is dead, Google and
yahoo run on huge though inexpensive clusters of pc clones, Dual G4
machines are starting to beat the
De: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Enviado el: martes 5 de febrero de 2002 15:09
For those who don't know me and might perceive this as an endorsement,
I
have worn Microsoft shirts to JavaOne (just ask Pat Sueltz), and
NetScape
shirts to the Microsoft PDC (just ask Dick Hardt or the MS VP
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
Dont't sit back and do nothing. Sending emails to this list is just a waste of
your time.
Try to imagine what makes Sun officials worry more:
- the guy who pushed java technology in the ASF since '97 and was so
efficient with his java-lover friends that the ASF has
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 11:24, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues.
Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix things. The
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 14:47, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to
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Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
Dont't sit back and do nothing. Sending emails to this list is just a waste
of your time.
Try to imagine what makes Sun officials worry more:
- the guy who pushed java
Jerry Bortvedt
jerry.bortvedt@oTo:
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The only people who can fix these things is Sun. This mailing list
sounds
like a black hole and these types of politics usually don't work against
Sun
(neither do online polls)...
The way to get Sun's attention is to corner them into a hole and then
pound
on their head for a few years.
On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 16:58, Kevin A. Burton wrote:
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Sorry for the X-post.
Then don't do it.
I just created a new mailing list:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can sign up here:
http://entropy.yi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/java-is-dead
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Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues.
Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix things. The
Could someone explain the issue, especially with reference to JSR107
(JCACHE).
Aaron
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Of
Kevin A. Burton
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:48 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Java is dead... but
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From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!
on 2/4/02 8:29 PM, Aaron Smuts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could someone explain the
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