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Lars Weiler wrote:
* Aron Griffis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/06/06 18:26 -0400]:
alpha
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- looks nicer (subjective)
- easier to tell at a glance if a given keyword is in the list
I'm for this. You can
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 16:04, Aron Griffis wrote:
Could you explain why that policy needs to be dropped for alpha to be
preferred? It's not obvious to me how that policy requires append.
You can't assume that maintainer arch would be x86, and with alphabetic order,
you must ask to the
Note: I've snipped a lot of quoted text below, but took full context
into account in my replies...
Lance Albertson wrote:[Mon Jun 06 2005, 09:02:21PM EDT]
I'd say as a global goal, yes I'd agree with you. Gentoo as a global
entity should stay where its at, but that doesn't mean a subset of
Hi,
Aron Griffis wrote:
I think that attempting to take Gentoo in the enterprise direction
is a mistake. I think that we are a hobbyist distribution. This
doesn't mean that we should not strive to meet some of the enterprise
goals. Those things can be important to hobbyists too. But I
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 17:15, Aron Griffis wrote:
That would be better for tools to help determining which are
candidates for stable marking. But for humans it's not really
different from looking at the ChangeLog, is it?
It should be possible using ChangeLog if we are sure that ChangeLog is
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:08 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Ah, sorry, that isn't quite what I meant. Rather I intended to point
out that we should not be deluded into thinking that the changes
required for Gentoo to be enterprise-ready are small. Some of the
changes are surmountable, but each
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 11:15 am, Aron Griffis wrote:
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 10:20:51AM EDT]
You can't assume that maintainer arch would be x86, and with
alphabetic order, you must ask to the maintainer which is his arch
(and there's no way to learn all them by
Aron Griffis wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 11:08:58AM EDT]
I think that the big companies (including HP, who has also donated
tens of thousands of dollars of equipment btw) see a lot of
potential in Gentoo.
Btw, as an hp employee I hope you'll forgive me for tooting the hp
horn a little bit... I
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Aaron Walker wrote:
I agree with Lars (particulary about adding maintaining arch to metdata if
it's
necessary). Another alpha++.
So, let's get a way to do this. That way most concerns will be
addressed.
Thanks,
Donnie
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Michael Cummings wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 12:49:21PM EDT]
HA! Oh man, I needed a good chuckle. cvs log is about the only
nearly reliable thing I have found sometimes - seems folks that
don't like to use metadata.xml when commiting a random package also
avoid using ChangeLogs. Go figure.
I
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 06:39:28AM -0400, Michael Cummings wrote:
I have a weak unfounded suspicion that it might help with the whole
openssl-perl loop that expresses itself when some folks are building
a stage1.
I dug into the openssl source quickly, and found that it uses
absolutely no Perl
Hello,
A user wrote to me personally:
i thought several times if i wanted to reply at all, and after
i wrote my mail if i really should send it out. I finally decided to
send it off list since this might just end up in flames on the list.
I hope you don't mind I'm putting this back on the
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 03:18:03PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Maybe i've just gotten your statement really wrong, but as far
i understand it, i really have a bad feeling about it.
[..]
I hope that this clears up your confusion and puts us on the same team
again.
Yeah, that cleared up a
Robin H. Johnson wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 03:04:43PM EDT]
OpenSSL mainly uses perl to generate the assembly language versions
of it's commands, in an almost portable fashion. There are also
a few other scripts written in perl, but again, they don't use any
modules from my examination.
This
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Stephen P. Becker wrote:
alpha++
alpha++
once again, alpha++
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On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:55:50PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
We understand when real life gets in
the way of bug-fixing, because all our developers are volunteers.
I never ever would have considered becoming a developer if this hadn't
been the case. I have my day job to worry about
There have been some really interesting points brought up recently
about where is Gentoo going? I have been wondering that myself.
I really appreciate that you had the initiative to start this conversation.
I also agree that its a lingering problem that needs to be addressed
clearly.
Some
On Monday 06 June 2005 23:26, Aron Griffis wrote:
I am willing to revert the ekeyword change if that is what devs would
prefer, but I won't make the change without a discussion on -dev,
which was my mistake last time. Your thoughts?
I also vote for alpha. I would like to see some indication
Marcus D. Hanwell wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 05:32:31PM EDT]
I also vote for alpha. I would like to see some indication of
maintainer arch in metadata too, but in general agree with the
policy of if one arch stabilises then we can assume that is the
maintainer arch.
Whoa, careful there. It's
On Tue, 2005-07-06 at 17:44 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Marcus D. Hanwell wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 05:32:31PM EDT]
I also vote for alpha. I would like to see some indication of
maintainer arch in metadata too, but in general agree with the
policy of if one arch stabilises then we can assume
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an
IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow... Nonetheless,
I'm interested in how other developers feel on the topics I bring up
below.
snip
Also I find it
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 20:36 -0400, Colin Kingsley wrote:
Thats certaintly not to say that I'm against progress, but if people
want support contracts, the absolute ultimate in stability, and install
CD's shipped in pretty boxes with manuals, there are other distros
available for them.
What's
Olivier Crete wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 05:56:35PM EDT]
Are you sure its not a policy?
Fairly certain. It's been discussed around in circles in the past.
Because it should be and it has been
discussed before. Arch teams should NOT get ahead of the maintainer
without his permission... or if
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 06:39 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote:
bugs would dissipate rapidly I think. It would save space (with his use
flags/architecture, perl went from 12,300K to 930K) on livecd's. I have a
weak unfounded suspicion that it might help with the whole openssl-perl loop
that
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 17:30 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote:
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 17:15, Aron Griffis wrote:
That would be better for tools to help determining which are
candidates for stable marking. But for humans it's not really
different from looking at the ChangeLog, is it?
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:56 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
I spend *at least* 1/3 of my time working on Gentoo. Without getting
into a salary discussion, that's hp donating tens of thousands of
dollars per year.
Now whether you all consider my involvement to be worth that much is
a different
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 18:38 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
...and you *still* haven't gotten an ia64 livecd built? For shame!
He's getting close.. Just got some more hardware put into dolphin last
week, and it has a spindle of blanks sitting right on top of it. so
umm, yeah, that's a start
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Jun 07 2005, 06:38:41PM EDT]
...and you *still* haven't gotten an ia64 livecd built? For shame!
SO TRUE.
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Gentoo Linux Developer
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Matthew Marlowe wrote:
A clueful sysadmin with gentoo is a far superior arrangement
provided the rate of hardware installs isn't too much. For very large
environments with 100+ boxes, I'd definitly agree with you that
gentoo has a long way to go.
Well ... as far as I'm concerned, clueful
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the
users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*.
This is the reason why *I* use/develop Gentoo. I love it. I could care
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