Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Alin Nastac
Jan Kundrát wrote: >Alin Nastac wrote: > > >>this has been discussed before. >>summary: tarballs could be used by more than one package. this way >>you'll manage to increase the disk space demands for our mirrors. >> >> > >This one is about sorting by first letter of filename. It won't solve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:54:28 + "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On 3/6/06, Alin Nastac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > this has been discussed before. | > summary: tarballs could be used by more than one package. this way | > you'll manage to increase the disk space demands for our m

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Alfredo Tupone (Tupone)

2006-03-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 06 March 2006 18:05, Kito wrote: > On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > Alfredo has joined the Gentoo team to help with the games herd. I'm > > sure > > he'll have a fun time "testing" all those games :) > > > > Alfredo writes about himself: > > "I live

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Alfredo Tupone (Tupone)

2006-03-06 Thread Francesco Riosa
Kito wrote: > > On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> Alfredo has joined the Gentoo team to help with the games herd. I'm sure >> he'll have a fun time "testing" all those games :) >> >> Alfredo writes about himself: >> "I live in Rome, Italy. > > > Italians, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Alfredo Tupone (Tupone)

2006-03-06 Thread Kito
On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Alfredo has joined the Gentoo team to help with the games herd. I'm sure he'll have a fun time "testing" all those games :) Alfredo writes about himself: "I live in Rome, Italy. Italians, Italians, everywhere Italians! echo "

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Monday 06 March 2006 17:39, Paul de Vrieze wrote: I guess some advanced /etc/portage/bashrc magic isn't enough for you? There are some neat tricks you can play with that. While magic is great, it is also not for all end users. bashrc magic is not officially supported by the Portage t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 06 March 2006 17:49, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Documentation is uncountable. So no singular or plural ;-) Uh, that was meant ironic, considering Ciaran's remarks to others, that they should know about this or that, leading to the one or the other inflaming thread. But thanks for the expl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 06 March 2006 17:39, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > I guess some advanced /etc/portage/bashrc magic isn't enough for you? > There are some neat tricks you can play with that. I consider this sort of ugly hack. And I don't see the point why everyone should do this, while a maintainer, even when

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Emanuele Giaquin (exg)

2006-03-06 Thread sanchan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Welcome to the team Emanuele :) Welcome! __ Sandro Bonazzola (Sanchan) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Francesco Riosa
Michael Renner wrote: > Introducing an additional directory hierarchy should fix this, and is > the common solution for this problem for various projects, be it debian > [1], cpan [2], slackware [3], etc. > > > One migration scenario for a better future: > > Create subdirectories named after th

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Alfredo Tupone (Tupone)

2006-03-06 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 06 March 2006 20:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alfredo has joined the Gentoo team to help with the games herd. I'm sure > he'll have a fun time "testing" all those games :) Welcome! We're really going to form a conspiracy now :P -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~fl

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Emanuele Giaquin (exg)

2006-03-06 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 06 March 2006 20:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Emanuele is a 23 year old student in computer science at the university > of Catania, in Italy. Besides spending time on Gentoo he's fond of > manga/anime, listening/playing music, poetry and mysticism. Welcome :) This is going to help our

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Emanuele Giaquin (exg)

2006-03-06 Thread Kito
wt! =) On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Grobian wrote: At last... :) Welcome Emanuele! On 06-03-2006 20:41:28 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Slightly late but never the less I'd like to introduce Emanuele Giaquinta (exg) who joined the team a few weeks ago. Emanuele will be working o

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glep 46 Draft: Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2006-03-06 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sunday 05 March 2006 19:29, Marcelo Góes wrote: > Hello, > > I am basically mailing this new draft on behalf of Ciaran, I just ok'd it > :-). Please read and comment. > I'm really sorry that I didn't act upon a previous proposal in this area. I'm still putting the finishing touches on my Ph.D.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 06 March 2006 18:11, MIkey wrote: > Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > Take a look at the options offered by a custom /etc/portage/bashrc. One > > can do almost anything there. You can have it read in configuration files > > and whatever. The documentation is kindof lacking, but most portage > > f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 3/6/06, Alin Nastac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > this has been discussed before. > summary: tarballs could be used by more than one package. this way > you'll manage to increase the disk space demands for our mirrors. And you can't hard-link the files into multiple directories because ...? Bes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alin Nastac wrote: > this has been discussed before. > summary: tarballs could be used by more than one package. this way > you'll manage to increase the disk space demands for our mirrors. This one is about sorting by first letter of filename. It won't solve multiple different files with same fil

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Emanuele Giaquin (exg)

2006-03-06 Thread Grobian
At last... :) Welcome Emanuele! On 06-03-2006 20:41:28 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all. > > Slightly late but never the less I'd like to introduce Emanuele > Giaquinta (exg) who joined the team a few weeks ago. Emanuele will be > working on Gentoo/OSX and ppc stuff when he's not making u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Alin Nastac
Stuart Herbert wrote: >Why not have the directory structure follow the package category >structure? E.g. the distfiles for package foo/bar goes into the >directory ${MIRROR_ROOT}/foo/bar? > >This should be easy enough to support in Portage, and if applied to >the /usr/portage/distfiles directory

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Alfredo Tupone (Tupone)

2006-03-06 Thread sanchan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alfredo writes about himself: > "I live in Rome, Italy. Well, I used to live there. Now I'm some > kilometers away. I own a club, not alone, that is about open source, > digital freedom mixed with entertainment. you can see that at > http://linux-club.org. Have to spend

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Emanuele Giaquin (exg)

2006-03-06 Thread kloeri
Hi all. Slightly late but never the less I'd like to introduce Emanuele Giaquinta (exg) who joined the team a few weeks ago. Emanuele will be working on Gentoo/OSX and ppc stuff when he's not making up weird potions :) Before joining Gentoo Emanuele has contributed to gentoo, rxvt-unicode and oth

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Alfredo Tupone (Tupone)

2006-03-06 Thread kloeri
Hi all. Alfredo has joined the Gentoo team to help with the games herd. I'm sure he'll have a fun time "testing" all those games :) Alfredo writes about himself: "I live in Rome, Italy. Well, I used to live there. Now I'm some kilometers away. I own a club, not alone, that is about open source,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, On 3/6/06, Michael Renner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > as suggested by Mike in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123335, > here's my proposal for changing the layout of the distfiles tree: > Introducing an additional directory hierarchy should fix this, and is > the common solutio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Alec Warner
Simon Stelling wrote: Daniel Ostrow wrote: Hrm, /me thinks you are missing something there, almost the entire tree doesn't explicitly state the mirror://gentoo SRC_URI, portage handles that automatically. That being the case portage would have change so that the automatic lookup was mirror:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Monday 06 March 2006 13:18, Simon Stelling wrote: > Daniel Ostrow wrote: > > Hrm, /me thinks you are missing something there, almost the entire tree > > doesn't explicitly state the mirror://gentoo SRC_URI, portage handles > > that automatically. That being the case portage would have change so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Alin Nastac
Simon Stelling wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: > >> Taking the earlier comment ( changing files only on the mirrors ) >> there are no portage changes that are technically required. However, >> you'd need to change about 1 ( random number I pulled out of my >> ass, but there are many affected ) SR

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Simon Stelling
Daniel Ostrow wrote: Hrm, /me thinks you are missing something there, almost the entire tree doesn't explicitly state the mirror://gentoo SRC_URI, portage handles that automatically. That being the case portage would have change so that the automatic lookup was mirror://gentoo/${firstchar}/. So

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Monday 06 March 2006 12:36, Alec Warner wrote: > Michael Renner wrote: > > Kurt Lieber wrote: > >> If we can come up with a seamless, painless transition process, great, > >> let's make it happen. > > > > From the _MIRROR_-side using hardlinks should be fine enough, we'd just > > have to ensure

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Simon Stelling
Alec Warner wrote: Taking the earlier comment ( changing files only on the mirrors ) there are no portage changes that are technically required. However, you'd need to change about 1 ( random number I pulled out of my ass, but there are many affected ) SRC_URI's to point to the new format,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Alec Warner
Michael Renner wrote: Kurt Lieber wrote: If we can come up with a seamless, painless transition process, great, let's make it happen. From the _MIRROR_-side using hardlinks should be fine enough, we'd just have to ensure that every mirror uses -H (preserve hardlinks). And for the mirror

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Michael Renner
Kurt Lieber wrote: If we can come up with a seamless, painless transition process, great, let's make it happen. From the _MIRROR_-side using hardlinks should be fine enough, we'd just have to ensure that every mirror uses -H (preserve hardlinks). And for the mirrors not using -H this will ju

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread MIkey
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Take a look at the options offered by a custom /etc/portage/bashrc. One > can do almost anything there. You can have it read in configuration files > and whatever. The documentation is kindof lacking, but most portage > features could actually be removed in favour of a cust

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Michael Renner
Alec Warner wrote: Is this plan for server side only distfiles, or do you want /usr/portage/distfiles/{a-z}/ on the local system as well. Changing the layout on the server suffices, no need to fiddle around with more scripts than necessary ;). Is there any needed performance benefit out of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Saturday 04 March 2006 17:02, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Saturday 04 March 2006 02:04, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > This is undocumented and unofficial, so feel free to utterly ignore > > it and commit whatever the heck you want. > > > > The 'doc' and 'examples' (yay for consistency!) > > Don't no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sunday 05 March 2006 23:38, MIkey wrote: > > That is of course always an option. > > But, I have a dream... That some day, some way, I will be able to > control _everything_ I need relating to building and installing via USE > flags and package.use. > > I don't think using _anything_ in the env

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Saturday 04 March 2006 17:00, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Saturday 04 March 2006 16:43, Dan Armak wrote: > > If you're concerned about diskspace you can filter out /usr/share/doc > > entirely, so users do have the choice. The problem here is that the > > docs USE flag is off by default. Making mo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Kurt Lieber
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 07:59:14AM -0500 or thereabouts, Alec Warner wrote: > I believe the Infrastructure team also doesn't want to change the > layout, but I'll leave it up to them to comment on their own policy ;) We'd love to change the layout to something similar to what Michael proposed. It

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-06 Thread Alec Warner
Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Saturday 04 March 2006 15:45, Danny van Dyk wrote: Just to throw in my 2 cents into this discussion: I'm all against die-ing during the update process. However, i think that stopping before the update process would be the best solution at hand. I'd like to propose the

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-06 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Saturday 04 March 2006 15:45, Danny van Dyk wrote: > Just to throw in my 2 cents into this discussion: I'm all against > die-ing during the update process. However, i think that stopping > before the update process would be the best solution at hand. I'd like > to propose the addition of a dedic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Alec Warner
Michael Renner wrote: > Hi, > > as suggested by Mike in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123335, > here's my proposal for changing the layout of the distfiles tree: > Introducing an additional directory hierarchy should fix this, and is > the common solution for this problem for various pro

Re: [gentoo-dev] glep 0042 (news) final draft

2006-03-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:37:09 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Monday 06 March 2006 01:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > That's exactly it. It requires a client to look at and be able to | > handle all other news items just to read a single item. | | Who says that the client should

Re: [gentoo-dev] glep 0042 (news) final draft

2006-03-06 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 06 March 2006 01:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > That's exactly it. It requires a client to look at and be able to > handle all other news items just to read a single item. Who says that the client should do this? In my opinion doing so is an improvement of the user experience, but not r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo on VMWare - few ideas

2006-03-06 Thread John Mylchreest
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 12:23:21AM +0100, Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that it's a nice idea. > Maybe 2 versions: with X and w/o X just to reduce the space needed. How would shipping twice the number of images save space? However, at the last count there was 1.8G

[gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Michael Renner
Hi, as suggested by Mike in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123335, here's my proposal for changing the layout of the distfiles tree: This is the current state: mirror:/storage/gentoo/data/source/distfiles# ls | wc -l 22543 mirror:/storage/gentoo/data/source/distfiles# ls -l ../ | gre

[gentoo-dev] aging ebuilds with unstable keywords

2006-03-06 Thread Daniel Ahlberg
Hi, This is an automatically created email message. http://gentoo.tamperd.net/stable has just been updated with 14535 ebuilds. The page shows results from a number of tests that are run against the ebuilds. The tests are: * if a version has been masked for 30 days or more. * if an arch was in KE