> On Fri, 24 May 2013, J Roeleveld wrote:
> This reminded me of my experience with info-files. Don't know how
> long ago it was that I used them as I find google to be a much more
> useful resource.
> But you might be interested in the following:
> * app-text/info2html
> Available versi
On Tue, May 21, 2013 09:03, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I don't like gnu info files. Neither me nor anyone I know can figure out
> how to drive info.
This reminded me of my experience with info-files. Don't know how long ago
it was that I used them as I find google to be a much more useful
resource.
B
(Late reply due to busy week, just want to clarify a small detail)
On Sun, May 19, 2013 16:34, Peter Stuge wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
>> inodes.
>> That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
>> storing lots o
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On 05/23/2013 04:02 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
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> I can't speak for others who wish to rid their systems of systemd,
> but personally I look for any excessive use of space on my HDD,
> despite it being rather large. Since you brought it up, which
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Daniel Campbell wrote:
> I can't speak for others who wish to rid their systems of systemd, but
> personally I look for any excessive use of space on my HDD, despite it
> being rather large. Since you brought it up,
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On 05/23/2013 01:41 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:39:25 -0500 Daniel Campbell
> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious as to why you consider users who want to save disk
>> space (openrc or systemd, or other packages, it doesn't matter)
>> as
Tom Wijsman posted on Thu, 23 May 2013 08:57:02 +0200 as excerpted:
> If you really think[1] you need INSTALL_MASK for a few small files when
> there are much larger consumers around, you should carefully consider
> whether what you are doing is the right thing. ("OMG systemd units!")
>
>> [1] Th
On Thu, 23 May 2013 05:30:25 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> That's the point. It *IS* possible to use INSTALL_MASK sanely,
> without something breaking.
Nobody said it isn't, I agree hacks can be used without breaking
things; the point is that that doesn't make it a good idea
On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:39:25 -0500
Daniel Campbell wrote:
> I'm curious as to why you consider users who want to save disk space
> (openrc or systemd, or other packages, it doesn't matter) as
> fundamentalists.
I'd call them using other words but I didn't want to be that inpolite.
Seriously, the
On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:40 +0200
Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 05/21/2013 09:03 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> >> That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
> >> pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that
On 22/05/2013 23:39, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> I do not consider Gentoo to be only about my own choices, but as a user,
> who else's choices am I going to consider when I administer my system?
> I'm happy for any new choices as long as they don't step on mine. I
> think that's fair.
Your choices ar
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Wed, 22 May 2013 16:24:05 +0100 as excerpted:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:37:25 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 21 May 2013 14:50:04 +0100 as
>> excerpted:
>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
>> > Duncan <1i5t5.d
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:42:08AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote
> It will require portage to be able to predict where the units are
> installed, and also be able to avoid accidentally wiping out anything
> else that may be installed nearby. The prediction issue also comes up in
> this bug which requ
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 05/20/2013 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>> On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> J. Roeleve
On 05/20/2013 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
> I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
> On 05/22/2013 08:21 AM, Luca Barbato wrote:
>>
>> check the FEATURES variable and be surprise =) (from man make.conf)
>>
>>nodoc Do not install doc files (/usr/share/doc).
>>
>>noinfo Do not install info pages.
>
On 05/22/2013 08:21 AM, Luca Barbato wrote:
check the FEATURES variable and be surprise =) (from man make.conf)
nodoc Do not install doc files (/usr/share/doc).
noinfo Do not install info pages.
noman Do not install manpages.
Adding a nounits nor
On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:37:25 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 21 May 2013 14:50:04 +0100 as
> excerpted:
> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
> > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is N
On 05/21/2013 09:03 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
>> pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
>> like a hack instead of something more robust. Why inclu
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> The amount of users misusing a knife or hammer is much lower than the
> amount of users misusing INSTALL_MASK.
Agreed. A typical user would almost never need to use INSTALL_MASK.
If they're using it, they're probably doing something wrong.
I
On Wed, 22 May 2013 03:06:05 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> And a knife or hammer can be used to murder or commit suicide as
> well; that doesn't mean they're bad tools, it means the user is
> misusing them.
The amount of users misusing a knife or hammer is much lower than the
Tom Wijsman posted on Wed, 22 May 2013 00:52:15 +0200 as excerpted:
> In the Portage tree we could avoid users from having to mask files,
> because that could break their system anyway; eg. Go mask some typical
> files [1], you'll end up breaking package compilations in the long run
> as they need
On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:37:25 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> [snip] FIRE! [snip] "hacks" of tools, thank you very much! =:^)
Glad you like it! Something that breaks isn't a solution though...
> It's a specifically designed part of the whole gentoo support of
> choice system yo
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 21 May 2013 14:50:04 +0100 as excerpted:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
>
> Sure it is. It's a hack and remains a hack until there's a way of using
On 05/21/2013 10:02 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:57:53 -0400
> Michael Mol wrote:
>> On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
>>> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is
On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:57:53 -0400
Michael Mol wrote:
> On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
> > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
> >
> > Sure it is. It's a hack and re
On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
>
> Sure it is. It's a hack and remains a hack until there's a way of using
> it without risk of brea
On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
Sure it is. It's a hack and remains a hack until there's a way of using
it without risk of breakage.
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On 05/20/2013 11:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell
> wrote:
[snip]
>> That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit
>> files is pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot,
>> but that seems like a hack instead of
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>
Well, I have to at least thank you for turning this from just a
typical Gentoo flame-war into a breeding ground for LWN Quote of the
Week candidates.
Rich
On Mon, May 20, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
> pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
> like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include systemd unit
> files (by default
On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:03:54 +0200
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> > That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
> > pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
> > like a hack instead of something more r
On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
> pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
> like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include systemd unit
> files (by default, with no syste
Daniel Campbell posted on Mon, 20 May 2013 22:03:02 -0500 as excerpted:
> [100-200 systemd unit files is] missing the point.
> If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
> pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
> like a hack instead of something more robust. Why
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
>>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
inodes.
That is what I usuall
On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
>>> inodes.
>>> That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
>>> storing lots of sm
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
>> inodes.
>> That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
>> storing lots of smaller files.
>
> I guess the number of unit files is on th
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
>> inodes.
>> That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
>> storing lots of smaller files.
>
> I guess the number of unit files is on th
J. Roeleveld wrote:
> I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
> inodes.
> That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
> storing lots of smaller files.
I guess the number of unit files is on the order of hundreds, as long
as you haven't configured an INST
"Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
>Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2013, 14:59:21 schrieb Michael Mol:
>> On 05/18/2013 03:23 PM, Carlos Silva wrote:
>> > Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who
>cares
>> > about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them
>that
>> > it w
Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2013, 14:59:21 schrieb Michael Mol:
> On 05/18/2013 03:23 PM, Carlos Silva wrote:
> > Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who cares
> > about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them that
> > it will only take 2MiB of storage, so ple
On 05/18/2013 03:23 PM, Carlos Silva wrote:
> Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who cares
> about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them that
> it will only take 2MiB of storage, so please, quit complaining about this.
Practically speaking, I think
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 01:02:12PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:45:18PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote
>
> > No one is arguing against that. All this thread is about is making
> > systemd a first-class citizen, like OpenRC/Sysvinit, so it will be as
> > smooth as possible
Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who cares
about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them that it
will only take 2MiB of storage, so please, quit complaining about this.
One thing dev's should take care is (not that affects me, 'cause I really
don't
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Andreas K. Huettel
wrote:
> The decision was made long ago. Use flags are not the correct way to control
> solely the installation of a few small files.
This was really the heart of the discussion where the decision was made before.
USE flags should control thing
Am Samstag, 18. Mai 2013, 19:02:12 schrieb Walter Dnes:
[snip]
>
> > Having a package to install every systemd unit in existence just
> > clutters the end user's system and makes it harder to tell which
> > units are actually valid.
>
> Yet openrc users are supposed to accept having their sys
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:45:18PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote
> No one is arguing against that. All this thread is about is making
> systemd a first-class citizen, like OpenRC/Sysvinit, so it will be as
> smooth as possible for someone who wants to switch between the two.
It seems that some
Good news.
I've been able to make logind work with OpenRC and GNOME 3.6 (which
means that GNOME 3.8 can work as well).
Disclaimer: I use systemd as device manager. I don't know if my logind
(there is a bug about it) works with udev without further hacking.
See: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107663298
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 01:58:41AM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote:
> > William Hubbs wrote:
> > > waltdnes wrote:
> > >> Question... when Sun made OpenOffice depend on Java (also a Sun
> > >> product) did Gentoo developers run around suggesting that Java be made a
> > >> part of the core Gentoo base
> William Hubbs wrote:
> > waltdnes wrote:
> >> Question... when Sun made OpenOffice depend on Java (also a Sun
> >> product) did Gentoo developers run around suggesting that Java be made a
> >> part of the core Gentoo base system? I don't think so. If a user wants
> >> to run GNOME badly enoug
Rich Freeman posted on Wed, 15 May 2013 10:01:57 -0400 as excerpted:
> Gentoo is about choice, but that doesn't mean that every developer has
> to support every possible choice on every package.
++
> Eudev not working with gnome is not a reason to hold back either
> project. Not every option in
Rich Freeman wrote:
> I think it really needs to be accommodated in the same way as openrc
> init.d scripts. I'm not saying that maintainers should be required to
> create them if they're missing (they don't even have to do that for
> openrc init.d scripts). However, if users or other devs contri
Tracker bug:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=468898
--
Fabio Erculiani
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 04 May 2013 08:54:16 -0400 as excerpted:
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Luca Barbato wrote:
>> Hopefully we might have a gsoc student volunteering to make a
>> runscript/lsb-script/systemd-unit compiler and a small abstraction so
>> we write a single init.d script a
Mike Gilbert posted on Thu, 02 May 2013 14:13:30 -0400 as excerpted:
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:05 PM, William Hubbs
> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 04:26:06PM +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
>>> bootloader configuration under grub1 for instance, was quite
>>> straight-forward. Now with grub-2, it
On 01/05/13 10:11 PM, Duncan wrote as excerpted:
> Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
>
>>> Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means "embrace diversitiy".
>>> If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
>>> you're very welcome, but a
Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
>> Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means "embrace diversitiy".
>> If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
>> you're very welcome, but also people who want to have fun with new
>> stuff should
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven J. Long
wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
>> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
>>
>> With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
>> into t
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
>
> With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
> into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
> a
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