pronouncement about standalone udev being a dead end. The maintainer
will face a task similar in principle to what IBM was doing. What
Richard Yao is doing is the udev equivalant of jump off before you get
pushed off.
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We are apparently better off trying to avoid
standalone udev
(from the Greg KH days) without systemd's dependancies/restrictions.
That is the target market for a udev fork.
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We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague.
Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/349
would reject.
There is obviously no point in us continuing this debate. You are in
favour of systemd, I am not.
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We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague.
Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/349
yourself out,
and end up alienating a lot of people along the way.
Howsabout a standalone udev, with no dependancies on systemd, and it
won't break people's systems?
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We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague.
Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03
, then it might not be too much of an effort to fix that small
subset.
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I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
LAST SINGLE PACKAGE YOU BUILD***. If you want a light
profile, I suggest doing what I do... start your USE variable in
make.conf with -*, and add any flags you need, either in package.use or
in make.conf.
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I don't run desktop environments; I run useful
require every last single binary/library/object
file/etc *INCLUDING PROPRIETARY PROGRAMS AND BINARY BLOBS* to be x32 and
only, and no multilib stuff. If amd64 did not support multilib and
plugin-wrappers, it would be a lot less common today.
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I don't run desktop
-tables to CFLAGS and
CXXFLAGS? Should it be mentioned in the install manual as an option for
users to possibly include?
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I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
.
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I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
and whatever else the
Redhat developers decree?
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I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
use it at
all.
Good idea. While we're at it, please also let's not make
systemd/udevd/dbus/pam mandatory.
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properly. I've
reported this bug, and I assume that the apvlv ebuild will be changed to
look for the app-text/poppler[xpdf-headers] before proceeding further.
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to then emerge an additional program to add more configuration in
order to have a clean system.
No, they weren't.
This looks very similar in principle to USE=-docs.
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On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 03:22:08AM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote
Walter Dnes wrote:
I remember when xpdf was removed, epdfview was recommended as a
lightweight alternative. How about this time?
Try apvlv. Note, you *MUST* first build poppler with the
xpdf-headers USE flag. Only
are doing it.
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an update.
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--disable-koi8-r
fi
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forums from being
hit with the same question over and over about settings in /etc/make.conf
being ignored.
3) When support for /etc/make.conf is finally dropped, the presence of
/etc/make.conf should make emerge halt immediately with an error message.
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have it an initramfs (ie, in a single file on the main
system).
If you want *REALLY* entirely separate from the main system, you
should be looking at a rescue CD or bootable USB key. That's about as
safe as you can get.
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for us
than is needed.
3. More support for mdev; e.g. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev and
(still in beta) https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB The
next challenge is custom mdev rules, which should be do-able.
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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 08:06:41PM +0200, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
3. More support for mdev; e.g. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev and
(still in beta) https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB The
next
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 08:27:29PM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:35:02 -0400
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
3. More support for mdev; e.g. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev
and (still in beta) https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB
The next
other people confirm it works for them. Once that's done, my next
project might be custom mdev rules, similar to custom udev rules.
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from
Linu-x to Lenna-x?
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/hotplug is gone, mdev advocates will have
settled on some early udev fork. [1]
Do you realize this would effectively kill linux in the embedded
device area? Udev, even without the systemd code, is simply to large
for embedded devices.
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/mdev.
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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 03:41:36AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
Do you realize this would effectively kill linux in the embedded
device area? Udev, even without the systemd code, is simply to large
for embedded
://linux.die.net/man/8/pivot_root and
http://linux.die.net/man/2/pivot_root
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:49:18AM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
Walter Dnes (very active over in gentoo-user) has put a lot
of work into testing and documenting mdev as an alternative for
udev. There's been a good deal of success there, up to and including
it working with GNOME 2. The work's been
, but that's what we could be looking
at here.
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machines, how many companies will make cpus for the remaining 5%.
Remember how MS strongarmed OEMs into a Windows tax?
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programs to do.
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?
If not, that's one less reason to keep games special.
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:32:57AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device
manager... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of one
app doing one thing well. mdev
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:55:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
After some more Google-searching. it looks like the official
channels way is via /etc/mdev.conf. Note that this is on a system with
busybox[mdev] and no udev. /etc
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:44:59AM +0200, Stelian Ionescu wrote
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
What specifically is your objection to udev today? Is it doing things
you don't like? Too big? Something else
I asked what I thought was a simple developer-type question. I don't
want this to become a public flamewar. If anybody wants to discuss the
issue with me further, please email directly to me and not the list.
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...
cat /sys/block/sda/removable
0
cat /sys/block/sdb/removable
1
My question... is this API stable or deprecated? I.e. can I count on
it being around for a while? I figure this question is a developer type
question rather than ordinary user type.
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On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:31:25PM -0400, James Cloos wrote
WD cat /sys/block/sda/removable
WD 0
Note that a 0 there does not imply that the device cannot hotplug.
My USB drive reports 0.
You're right. Same for me. Thanks for pointing it out.
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... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of one
app doing one thing well. mdev is enough for the vast majority of people.
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, a fork
I'd be interested in would be to take standard Gentoo and replace as
many programs as possible with their busybox-symlink equivalants. This
would require at least a new profile, to
a) create the appropriate symlinks, and
b) not pull in the standalone versions.
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On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:59:45PM -0700, Greg KH wrote
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 02:52:33PM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 04/05/12 14:35, Walter Dnes wrote:
What could work is a shim or compatability layer that gets
called, and pre-processes requests and forwards them to mdev.
That's
/chromium-18.0.1025.151 [ebuild])
(dependency required by chromium [argument])
For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
=
QED.
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/portage/elog, it could be useful
as a server_or_lightweight_desktop profile.
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don't think that'll change, at least I hope it
doesn't. What could work is a shim or compatability layer that gets
called, and pre-processes requests and forwards them to mdev.
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migrated over to mdev. See
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev That page is now mostly other
people's contributions. I was the rabble-rouser who started it.
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a symlink from /bin/busybox to /ginit?
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:04:54PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote
On 04/22/2012 06:25 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
BTW, how would a non-programmer (at least not C programmer) like me
forward these ideas to the Gentoo Council?
You'll see an email on this list a week or two before the next council
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 02:22:53PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote
All users are recommended to migrate:
# emerge -C media-libs/jpeg:0
# emerge -1 media-libs/libjpeg-turbo
How about mentioning revdep-rebuild in the instructions?
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code. That's
why I suggest optional add-ons for any additional functionality.
BTW, how would a non-programmer (at least not C programmer) like me
forward these ideas to the Gentoo Council?
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On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 04:28:15PM +0100, Steven J Long wrote
Walter Dnes wrote:
I've also cobbled together my
own autodepclean script that check for, and optionally unmerges
unneeded stuff that was pulled in as a dependancy of a package that has
since been removed.
What advantage does
removed.
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, /usr/local is the standard place to keep one's own
software and/or global customizations that aren't handled by the package
manager, but don't belong in one user's home directory.
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On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 03:12:11AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote
TOOT!!! (blowing my own horn). See http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/ for
instructions on replacing udev with mdev for simple Gentoo systems.
Hopefully more info will start arriving, allowing more complex systems
to work with mdev
complex systems
to work with mdev.
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at you, if you have /usr on the same file
system, plus you boot with systemd, your machine could be broken and you
don't even know it.
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://pckeyboard.com/page/category/IBMKBD
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, and any other critical
(meta)data should be declared early on in the ebuild. That's what the
ebuild is for.
2) Any potential ebuild processor that's incapable of looking for regex
^EAPI= in a textfile, amd parsing the numbers that follow, has no
business being used to process ebuilds.
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, so I won't be seeing this problem, but a simple
solution that works for 95% of users might be the way to go. For the
more complex situations, an initramfs will be necessary.
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ebuild. It should
return an error message (in this case Multiple EAPI declarations not
allowed) and then halt. It is the ebuild-writer's job to come up with
a syntactically correct ebuild.
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1 line allowed beginning with EAPI=
exit
else
# parse value of EAPI and call appropriate ebuild parser version
exit
fi
This treats the EAPI statement as a declaration, and doesn't care
where it shows up in the file. I'm assuming no leading blanks in front
of EAPI.
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willing to use
as a guinea-pig for testing mdev under the proposed setup.
How difficult would it be to set up an mdev-based profile, already?
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?
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running out of space in other partitions
* I started using it years ago when I had not decided which distro to
use. I could wipe the contents of /opt, /var, /usr, and /tmp but keep
my data, emails, etc, in my user directory and install another distro
without blowing away my data.
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not work for me.
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is my forte. I'm retired, and I have a
spare machine to play around with for testing. Contact me offline if
I can help.
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move or copy the 2 files over to /root
unmerge udev
move or copy the 2 files from /root to /usr/lib/
Note that /usr/lib/ is a symlink to /usr/lib64 on my 64-bit gentoo
Please discuss; I want to hear what you think.
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On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:12:52AM -0400, Thomas Kahle wrote
https://www.xkcd.com/963/
Xorg --configure
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work to configure things my way.
Speaking of tight integration, what happens if Redhat's employees make
udev depend on systemd?
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a spare box kicking around that I can try
it on.
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and my system continued to work just fine, thank you. Given the great
HAL fiasco, the fact that HAL has been incorporated into udev is yet one
more reason for dropping udev G.
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this on. I really do want it to work.
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anyone asks,
auto mounting should still be possible. Attached is an excerpt from
/var/log/messages from a basic Alpine install. The kernel messages were
generated when I inserted a USB key into a usb jack.
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Oct 9 13:46:00 e521 kern.info kernel: [10714.105621
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