On Thursday, December 20, 2012 09:31:36 AM Michał Górny wrote:
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J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Mon, December 17, 2012
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 07:02:06 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote:
No one has proposed moving everything to /usr. At the minimum, we would
still have /etc and /var in /, as well as various mountpoints. If we do
move those to
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:10:22 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 09:31:36 AM Michał Górny wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Dec
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:57:25 AM Michał Górny wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:10:22 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 09:31:36 AM Michał Górny wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:57:25 AM Michał Górny wrote:
Just let me know when you have to maintain a lot of such systemd
and upgrade, say, glibc. Then maybe you'll understand.
A shared /usr means I need to
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:57:25 AM Michał Górny wrote:
Just let me know when you have to maintain a lot of such systemd
and upgrade, say, glibc.
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:31:28 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:57:25 AM Michał Górny wrote:
Just let me
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:42:23 PM Michał Górny wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:31:28 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny wrote:
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J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On
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An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as
well.
Just to be clear, by init* you mean {initrd,initramfs} , correct?
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An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as
well.
Just to be clear, by init* you mean {initrd,initramfs} ,
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as
well.
Just to be clear, by init* you mean {initrd,initramfs} , correct?
Seems likely.
However, for the most
J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 08:51:09 AM Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as
well.
Just to be clear, by init* you mean
On Friday, December 21, 2012 08:52:00 AM Dale wrote:
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An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as
well.
Just to be clear, by init* you mean
J. Roeleveld wrote:
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J. Roeleveld wrote:
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An init* needs to be kept in sync with the
On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 12:48 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:42:23 PM Michał Górny wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:31:28 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45
Stelian Ionescu sione...@cddr.org wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 12:48 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:42:23 PM Michał Górny wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:31:28 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 04:04:31PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
However, it is, in my opinion, a workaround for a problem that has
been forced upon me. As soon as eudev is stable enough, I will dump
udev.
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/441004
Strange, I use a current-stable version of genkernel, /usr is on
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 06:36:05PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 10:21:02 AM William Hubbs wrote:
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 04:04:31PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:20:45 PM William Hubbs wrote:
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On Friday, December 21, 2012 10:21:02 AM William Hubbs wrote:
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 04:04:31PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Mon, December 17, 2012 22:31, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J.
On 12/20/2012 03:31 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Mon, December 17, 2012 22:31, Greg KH wrote:
On
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote:
No one has proposed moving everything to /usr. At the minimum, we would
still have /etc and /var in /, as well as various mountpoints. If we do
move those to /usr, then we effectively renamed / to /usr, which is
pointless. The
On 12/20/2012 07:02 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote:
No one has proposed moving everything to /usr. At the minimum, we would
still have /etc and /var in /, as well as various mountpoints. If we do
move those to /usr, then we
We're drifting here, but the concept is that machine-local stuff like
configuration stays out of /usr, and generic distro stuff stays in
/usr.
A webserver for site1 vs site2 would be identical in /usr, but
different elsewhere.
That has always been the case. In fact people have tried to
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Mon, December 17, 2012 22:31, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:13:28 -0800
Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote:
No, not at all, please see the web page that describes, in detail, the
problems that has been going on for quite some time now, with the /usr
and / partitions and packages.
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Mon, December 17, 2012 22:31, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17,
On 12/17/2012 04:31 PM, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
not work. We are
On 12/17/2012 06:23 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:31:59PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email,
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On 17/12/12 06:23 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:31:59PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
Can this topic finally be put to rest please? There is a whole
web page devoted to this topic, why do people blindly ignore it?
This is a
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:50:51AM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, William Hubbs wrote:
This all started with the April 2012 council meeting when it was
pushed through that separate /usr without an initramfs is a
supported configuration, so yes, the previous council
On 12/18/2012 01:45 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:50:51AM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, William Hubbs wrote:
This all started with the April 2012 council meeting when it was
pushed through that separate /usr without an initramfs is a
supported
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 01:51:27PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 12/18/2012 01:45 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:50:51AM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, William Hubbs wrote:
This all started with the April 2012 council meeting when it was
pushed
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:50:51AM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, William Hubbs wrote:
This all started with the April 2012 council meeting when it
was pushed through that separate
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:50:51AM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, William Hubbs wrote:
This all started with the April 2012 council meeting when it was
pushed through that separate /usr without an
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 03:17:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 12/15/2012 02:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
Waaait, what? Did something change lately or
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about the behaviour of upstream is IMO very ironic.
No it does not, try by yourself please ^^
(or just issue and
On 12/17/2012 05:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 03:17:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 12/15/2012 02:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:08PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about the behaviour of upstream is IMO very ironic.
On 12/17/2012 08:25 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:08PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it work.
Just to repeat:
In this thread it was claimed that a separate /usr is not supported by
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it
work.
Just to repeat:
In this thread it was claimed that a
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:31:59PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
On 12/17/12 2:25 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:08PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about the
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, William Hubbs wrote:
This all started with the April 2012 council meeting when it was
pushed through that separate /usr without an initramfs is a
supported configuration, so yes, the previous council started this
issue.
Sorry, but that's not an accurate account of what
On Mon, December 17, 2012 22:31, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
not work. We
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
I, on the other hand, hope that this isn't an indication of Gentoo not being
interested in systemd. I'm eagerly awaiting the moment where I can emerge
systemd and just have it working.
Gentoo is a community - of
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:21:21AM +, Duncan wrote
Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted:
[Udev-systemd has] essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs
from non-systemd users would be closed with WONTFIX.
Agreed, to this point.
Actually, for
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:53:41 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:21:21AM +, Duncan wrote
Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted:
[Udev-systemd has] essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs
from non-systemd
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
Waaait, what? Did something change lately or are you just repeating
the same bullshit for months?
Older systemd boots OK with a separate /usr and eudev. But somehow,
somewhere along the line, as part of the merge, the udev
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
Waaait, what? Did something change lately or are you just repeating
the same bullshit for months?
Older systemd boots OK with a separate /usr and
On 12/15/2012 02:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
Waaait, what? Did something change lately or are you just repeating
the same bullshit for months?
Older
Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:53:41 -0500 as excerpted:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:21:21AM +, Duncan wrote
Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted:
Actually, for political reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a
bunch bugs+patches, and gets them
On 15/12/12 06:16, Peter Stuge wrote:
Richard Yao wrote:
Where is development now?
We have rewritten the build system and restored support for older
kernels and verified compatibility as far back as Linux 2.6.31. We have
tagged 1_beta1 and eudev is in the portage tree. A few lingering
Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted:
[Udev-systemd has] essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs
from non-systemd users would be closed with WONTFIX.
Agreed, to this point.
Actually, for political reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a bunch
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