Hello,
* Wolfram wrote on 08/10/03:
On 10 Aug 2003 05:49:24 -0700
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 01:44, Wolfram Umlauf wrote:
maybe zoinks from http://zoinks.mikelockwood.com/ is the solution
for you. Works perfecly for me.
cu, wum
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Hi,
I have been reading this thread with interest. It is very easy to get the
update process wrong, especially if the user is not sure what all the updates
and changes are for.
Is it possible for all updates to carry a copy of the previous config file, do
a comparison with the
On 08/10/03 Wolfram Umlauf wrote:
On 10 Aug 2003 05:49:24 -0700
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 01:44, Wolfram Umlauf wrote:
maybe zoinks from http://zoinks.mikelockwood.com/ is the solution
for you. Works perfecly for me.
cu, wum
Wolfram,
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 01:44, Wolfram Umlauf wrote:
maybe zoinks from http://zoinks.mikelockwood.com/ is the solution for
you. Works perfecly for me.
cu, wum
Wolfram,
Zoinks looks pretty cool. I guess I have to build from source? I
didn't find an emerge for it yet?
Thanks for the
On Sunday 03 August 2003 14:59, Spider wrote:
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:56:03 -0500
Steven Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update.
Neither Do I. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't get it, since
portage -shouldnt- try to be
* Steven Elling (2003-08-03 07:03 +0200)
On Saturday 02 August 2003 15:23, Stephane Brossier wrote:
I emerge some ebuilds yesterday, and then i got a warning that I
should run etc-update to merge some files.
I used the -5 option which automaticall merge the files,
and it seems it deleted
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:50:42 +0200
Thorsten Kampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is in fact the point it is all about. There is no sense in
updating fstab or /etc/passwd so these types of files should be
always omitted. Another possibility would be to have etc-update issue
a red
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:33:58 +1200, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, David
Friggens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...etc-update...]
This is IMO the most very frustrating part of the way Gentoo works.
50*ACK :-
[..]
I've always found it more than satisfactory. etc-update automatically
merges
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 09:27, Heribert Slama wrote:
This is IMO the most very frustrating part of the way Gentoo works.
50*ACK :-
Glad to know I'm not alone. ;-)
How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected?
Then there are no trivial changes;-)
There aren't any
On 03 Aug 2003 10:19:26 -0700, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, Mark
Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
I hate to take up bandwidth offering nothing new, but hopefully the gods
will be reading this and understanding that some/many/most of us have
great concerns about this set of tools.
An
How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected?
Then there are no trivial changes;-)
There aren't any trivial changes! If a 1-line change can bring your
machine down, then EVERY single line must be chacked with the greatest
of care.
Spoken like someone who recently
On Sunday 03 August 2003 05:50, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
Just another point: is the -5 useful at all? I mean, has anyone used
that in a senseful way? If you really want to overwrite, you could
have done 'CONFIG_PROTECT=-* emerge -u whatever', right?
Yes, -5 is useful. When there are a
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 10:56, Heschi Kreinick wrote:
How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected?
Then there are no trivial changes;-)
There aren't any trivial changes! If a 1-line change can bring your
machine down, then EVERY single line must be chacked with the
Mark Knecht:
This presumes that I have enough background to:
1) Know that it can be changed
2) Know what some options are
3) Feel confident that the change won't somehow cause the whole thing to
break my machine.
I fail on all three counts! ;-) ;-)
Then I think you would be better off
On Sunday 03 August 2003 06:33, Spider wrote:
thats the point of being root. It allows you to do stupid things without
getting in your way.
And that is fine. I wouldn't have it any other way.
But, I digress. passwd should be updated, at least until we get a very
solid account management
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 11:40, Magnus Nordseth wrote:
Then I think you would be better off with another distro.
You're welcome to your opinion, but you're also 3 emails behind.
Gentoo runs fine for me.
Thanks,
Mark
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I agree completely that fstab needs at times, like recently, to be
updated. However, for all the smart tools around here, I think it
amazingly dense that etc-update -5 will replace a working partition
number like /dev/hda6 with something like /dev/boot! It certainly should
be able to find out
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:56:03 -0500
Steven Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update.
Neither Do I. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't get it, since
portage -shouldnt- try to be smart on what files are suggested to
update and not, but
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 12:54, Heschi Kreinick wrote:
It requires me to remember which partition is which. Possibly fine for
programmers and hardware techs, but not so nice for users.
This is the core of the problem. You're asking for specialized treatment for
fstab. It might be doable.
On 03 Aug 2003 11:17:55 -0700
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ Lot of stuff snipped ]
I agree with a lot of stuff on both sides of the argument. I have
raised this issue in the past.
1) the current etc-update is a big improvement over past versions.
2) Yes, Gentoo is a distro for those
On Sunday 03 August 2003 20:33, Spider wrote:
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:50:42 +0200
Thorsten Kampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is in fact the point it is all about. There is no sense in
updating fstab or /etc/passwd so these types of files should be
always omitted. Another
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:54:37 -0400, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user,
Heschi Kreinick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a few remarks on selected issues:
[..]
... So people will have to check their configs after they're
updated, and really, how much more time does it take to merge them by hand
than
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:26:55 -0600, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user,
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
4) There really needs to be a standard mechanism that notifies users
when a critical config file update is necessary and prompts the user
to make the changes manually. [..]
The
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:56:03 -0500, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user,
Steven Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update. For one, would a
system administrator edit the passwd file to add or delete a user, system
or daemon account or replace it
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