On Sunday 03 August 2003 06:33, Spider wrote:
> thats the point of being root. It allows you to do stupid things without
> getting in your way.

And that is fine.  I wouldn't have it any other way.


> But, I digress.  passwd should be updated, at least until we get a very
> solid account management scheme with UID:name assignations to add,
> since, there is a point in sometimes updating system services ( forking
> out more basic stuff to users other than root for example)

I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update.  For one, would a 
system administrator edit the passwd file to add or delete a user, system 
or daemon account or replace it completely?  I know I wouldn't because of 
the inherent danger in doing so.  As a system administrator, I try to avoid 
editing the passwd and group files manually and use useradd, userdel, 
usermod, groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, etc. instead.

I think Gentoo should behave like any good sensible sys admin and use 
useradd, userdel, usermod, groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, etc. to make 
updates when system services are added, removed or changed.  UNIX and Linux 
already have a solid account management scheme so why reinvent the wheel?  
If the tools provided work, use them.


> The fact that people use tools with sharp edges in a careless manner is
> unfortunate, but I'm not a believer in putting warningsigns on chainsaws
> as : "Do not stop the rotating chain with your hands" , neither am I a
> fan of  "are you truly sure you want to do this?"  dialogs, as they
> inspire careless use of tools by accustoming people to never read
> warnings.

Cough, Cough... Windows... Cough, Cough.


> For a reason to upgrade fstab globally?  perhaps changing defaults for
> some subentries? add recommendations for other mountpoints?  or add
> supermount/automount support ?

OK.  But as I stated in an earlier post, "you cannot count on the user's 
system having the same mount / dump options or mount points."  Neither can 
you count on a user's system using the same devices for the filesystems.  I 
use SCSI in some system and IDE in others, plus, swap space is the first 
patition on my drives.

Now, I'm not saying that updates to fstab shouldn't be made.  I'm just 
saying the updates should be presented to the user in a different way.


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