On Saturday 31 January 2004 00:41, Collins Richey wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:37:46 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As an etiquette on a public mailing list, can you please configure
your mailer to set width of your posts? Not every user, esp. UNIX
user, can read lines longer
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:09:58 +0200
Sami Näätänen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 31 January 2004 00:41, Collins Richey wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:37:46 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As an etiquette on a public mailing list, can you please configure
your mailer to set
Peter Wu wrote:
Guy, tell me why unix users don't do that ? (working as root)
snip
Because most Unix users have good computer knowledge while most Windows
users do not know how computers work at all.
This is total demagogy !
AFAIK *nobody* is borning as linux guru and every user has
to pass
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:31:51 +0100
Norbert Kamenicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter Wu wrote:
Guy, tell me why unix users don't do that ? (working as root) snip
Because most Unix users have good computer knowledge while most Windows
users do not know how computers work at all.
This is
Peter Wu writes:
Microsoft creates features that customers demand so that they can
sell their products and make money.
I did not follow the thread at all, but when I read that, I jump. No,
Microsoft does not create features that customers demand. They create
features and work very
Andrej Kacian wrote:
AFAIK Linux users are trained mostly themself.
And *that's* precisely why linux users have better computer knowledge - most
windows users only know how their favorite application works and *refuse* to
look under the hood of the computer, unlike average linux user.
Andrej,
So let me make a conclusion ...
If viruses can/can't infect users account is not a question
of users education, but application weakness.
noro
From how i look at it, it does not necessary have to have anything to do
with application strenghts/weaknesses. It's the way that you identify
On , 2004-02-01 at 15:56, Jakub Krajcovic wrote:
So let me make a conclusion ...
If viruses can/can't infect users account is not a question
of users education, but application weakness.
noro
From how i look at it, it does not necessary have to have anything to do
with
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 10:55:48AM +, Fred Labrosse wrote:
Peter Wu writes:
Microsoft creates features that customers demand so that they can
sell their products and make money.
I did not follow the thread at all, but when I read that, I jump. No,
Microsoft does not
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 04:06:31PM +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote:
On ??, 2004-02-01 at 15:56, Jakub Krajcovic wrote:
So let me make a conclusion ...
If viruses can/can't infect users account is not a question
of users education, but application weakness.
noro
From how i look
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 11:52:23PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:26:43 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:38:42PM +, Stroller wrote:
On Jan 31, 2004, at 7:57 am, jkw wrote:
[...]
... how can we prevent
gentoo-user from
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On Sunday 01 February 2004 16:01, Peter Wu wrote:
Google doesn't. A couple of mailing list archivers archive the gentoo
lists, and google harvests the data just like it does any other data on
the web. Anything in the archives, of course, can be
On Feb 1, 2004, at 6:52 am, Collins Richey wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:26:43 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:38:42PM +, Stroller wrote:
On Jan 31, 2004, at 7:57 am, jkw wrote:
[...]
... how can we prevent
gentoo-user from being archived on google, or stop
Hi
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 10:55:48AM +, Fred Labrosse wrote:
P.S. This is getting REALLY OT, isn't it.
I agree.
Jan
--
In our society a person might frequently have to choose between what he thinks
is practical and what is ethical. He might choose the practical, and as a
result he
On Jan 29, 2004, at 7:49 PM, lukas wrote:
Hi folks,
since I'm posting to this list, I receive more and more viruses every
day. A few minutes ago, I received a bounced virus-mail reputedly
sent by me.
the only mailing list i am subscribed to at this address is gentoo-user.
i have never posted
On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 20:43, Peter Wu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:06PM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
Well, some of the recent worms are activated by end users open an
attachment, which could be an vbs or an executable. It is the executable
that infects the system as most Windows
On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 22:15, Peter Wu wrote:
If I write a shell script and attach to an email sent to you, then you
save the attached shell script and run it when you happen to have the
roott privilege?
IIRC, any binary files can be attached to an email. Correct me if I am
wrong.
if you
On Saturday 31 Jan 2004 07:57, jkw wrote:
the only mailing list i am subscribed to at this address is
gentoo-user. i have never posted this address on the internet
anywhere.
i *NEVER* received spam before signing up on gentoo-user, and now i
receive about *1 MB* of spam/viruses each day.
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:21:59 +
Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Three questions:
Why would these idiots target Gentoo?
They probably just google for mail + archives in some automated way.
Why does Gentoo allow (or make it easy for) this to happen?
We don't.
Peter Wu wrote:
Guy, tell me why unix users don't do that ? (working as root)
Because most Unix users have good computer knowledge while most Windows
users do not know how computers work at all.
Do you admit this fact?
Not at all, I personally maintain some Linux PCs, where
users know nothing
Peter Wu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:06PM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
What if root on a Linux box open an attachment to a mail he receives today
and that attachment happens to be some executable that can ruin the
system?
I really doubt switching to Linux can stop virii from
Collins Richey wrote:
2. No one with a lick of sense (except maybe Lindows users) processes mail as root. Almost all viruses rely on the wide open nature of windows to inflict their harm. Converting to linux (or even to Apple OS X or BSD) will eliminate 99% of the problems.
These worms
jkw wrote:
On Jan 29, 2004, at 7:49 PM, lukas wrote:
Hi folks,
since I'm posting to this list, I receive more and more viruses every
day. A few minutes ago, I received a bounced virus-mail reputedly
sent by me.
the only mailing list i am subscribed to at this address is gentoo-user.
i have
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 02:32:38PM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
Peter Wu wrote:
Guy, tell me why unix users don't do that ? (working as root)
Because most Unix users have good computer knowledge while most Windows
users do not know how computers work at all.
Do you admit this
On Jan 31, 2004, at 6:55 AM, Bob Hentges wrote:
[snip]
I have noticed this problem as well on other mailing lists ( f.i. the
debian-user list, which is a high volume mailing list... ). The
archive google is keeping up to date is in the first position
absolutely respectable.
Actually mailing
On Jan 31, 2004, at 7:57 am, jkw wrote:
i *NEVER* received spam before signing up on gentoo-user, and now i
receive about *1 MB* of spam/viruses each day. therefore it's obvious
that gentoo-user is the source of the spam and viruses.
This is an OLD thread. Yes, the list IS harvested for addresses
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:38:42PM +, Stroller wrote:
On Jan 31, 2004, at 7:57 am, jkw wrote:
[...]
... how can we prevent
gentoo-user from being archived on google, or stop google from
making email addresses public information?
Sorry to sound unsympathetic, but it really clogs my
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:26:43 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:38:42PM +, Stroller wrote:
On Jan 31, 2004, at 7:57 am, jkw wrote:
[...]
... how can we prevent
gentoo-user from being archived on google, or stop google from
making email addresses
from the time i done sa-learn hamspam
I get all the spam into my inbox, one on every ~50 goes to spam folder..
i have deleted ~/.spamassasin dir... and done sa-learn again..
but nope
|emerge Mail-SpamAssassin
|
|Read
|
lukas wrote:
Hi folks,
since I'm posting to this list, I receive more and more viruses every
day. A few minutes ago, I received a bounced virus-mail reputedly
sent by me.
I wan't to advert, that mails with my sender-address that are not
signed with my pgp-key are not originate from me!
What are
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
emerge Mail-SpamAssassin
Read
http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=bYySnE2hp_lva=p_faqid=329p_created=1039628948p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTImcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1zcGFtYXNzYXNzaW4mcF9wYWdlPTE*p_li=
Run every two or three
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:06PM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
lukas wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2004 05:02, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote:
It's sad that the internet is troubled by some weirdos who are
thinking that programming (or spreading) a virus is a real cool
thing.
Ooo yes,
On , 2004-01-30 at 21:43, Peter Wu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:06PM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
lukas wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2004 05:02, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote:
It's sad that the internet is troubled by some weirdos who are
thinking that programming (or
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:43:58 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:06PM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
lukas wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2004 05:02, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote:
It's sad that the internet is troubled by some weirdos who are
thinking
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 10:47:12PM +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote:
On ??, 2004-01-30 at 21:43, Peter Wu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:06PM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
lukas wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2004 05:02, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote:
It's sad that the internet is
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:55:36PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:43:58 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Today viruses stimulate ppl switch to linux, and
therefore are BIG catalysator for linux growth.
I really doubt switching to Linux can stop
On January 30, 2004 04:15 pm, Peter Wu wrote:
If I write a shell script and attach to an email sent to you, then you
save the attached shell script and run it when you happen to have the
roott privilege?
IIRC, any binary files can be attached to an email. Correct me if I am
wrong.
you're
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 04:52:26PM -0500, gabriel wrote:
On January 30, 2004 04:15 pm, Peter Wu wrote:
If I write a shell script and attach to an email sent to you, then you
save the attached shell script and run it when you happen to have the
roott privilege?
IIRC, any binary files
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:37:46 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As an etiquette on a public mailing list, can you please configure
your mailer to set width of your posts? Not every user, esp. UNIX
user, can read lines longer than 80 characters.
I'm not sure what the problem is. My
On Friday 30 January 2004 23:41, Collins Richey wrote:
As an etiquette on a public mailing list, can you please configure
your mailer to set width of your posts? Not every user, esp. UNIX
user, can read lines longer than 80 characters.
I'm not sure what the problem is. My line wrap is
On January 30, 2004 05:24 pm, Peter Wu wrote:
That is the problem. Many Windows users are told in the email how to open
and run the executable virus. Sometimes, the viral emails disguise
themselves as if they were sent from Microsoft Support Team.
an o/s can't protect against stupidity. that
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:55:19 +0100
lukas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2004 23:41, Collins Richey wrote:
As an etiquette on a public mailing list, can you please configure
your mailer to set width of your posts? Not every user, esp. UNIX
user, can read lines longer
On Saturday 31 January 2004 00:21, Collins Richey wrote:
Maybe it's only set to 72 chars for your viewer, but not for your
editor?
All 3 settings - wrap quotations, wrap on input, wrap before sending
- are set. This is the first complaint I've had, and I've been using
Sylpheed for years.
Peter Wu wrote:
Well, some of the recent worms are activated by end users open an
attachment, which could be an vbs or an executable. It is the executable
that infects the system as most Windows users log in as an Administrator
role.
Fine, if it is a problem of the last windblowz version, I say
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 06:01:26PM -0500, gabriel wrote:
On January 30, 2004 05:24 pm, Peter Wu wrote:
That is the problem. Many Windows users are told in the email how to open
and run the executable virus. Sometimes, the viral emails disguise
themselves as if they were sent from Microsoft
On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 20:42, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
Ok Tom, how many viruses have been infecting your linux box ?
I only read about them.
Some references for you.
The Virus Writing HOWTO:
http://www.lwfug.org/~abartoli/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/
Should I get anti-virus software for my
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 02:42:57AM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
Peter Wu wrote:
Well, some of the recent worms are activated by end users open an
attachment, which could be an vbs or an executable. It is the executable
that infects the system as most Windows users log in as an
Peter Wu said:
3. marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting
I've seen very intelligent people act this way with a computer, so I
think it is stupidity ;-)
-Eric
--
arctic bears - email and name services
25 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] CA$11.95/month
DNS starting at CA$3.49/month -
Peter Wu wrote:
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 02:42:57AM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
Guy, tell me why unix users don't do that ? (working as root)
Because most Unix users have good computer knowledge while most Windows
users do not know how computers work at all.
This is getting offtopic. Can
On , 2004-01-30 at 23:15, Peter Wu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 10:47:12PM +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote:
On ??, 2004-01-30 at 21:43, Peter Wu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:06PM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
lukas wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2004 05:02, Canek Pel??ez
On , 2004-01-30 at 23:37, Peter Wu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:55:36PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:43:58 -0500
Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Today viruses stimulate ppl switch to linux, and
therefore are BIG catalysator for linux growth.
emerge Mail-SpamAssassin
Read
http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=bYySnE2hp_lva=p_faqid=329p_created=1039628948p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTImcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1zcGFtYXNzYXNzaW4mcF9wYWdlPTE*p_li=
Run every two or three weeks:
sa-learn
On Friday 30 January 2004 05:02, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
emerge Mail-SpamAssassin
I've already installed SpamAssassin and also amavis and a
scanner. The viruses don't harm my machine. They can only
confuse some other users which receive virus-mails pretending
that I was the sender.
It's sad
I *never* received spam before subscribing to this list! Gentoo-User
list is great, don't get me wrong, but the spam was a *very* high price
to pay for the information
Now, use S/A and turn on all of the options like razor, etc. I gets all
of my spam and no false positives. S/A rocks!
-TJ
On
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:49:36 +0100
lukas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi folks,
since I'm posting to this list, I receive more and more viruses every
day. A few minutes ago, I received a bounced virus-mail reputedly
sent by me.
I've been a subscriber for something like three years, including a
: Collins Richey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 30 January 2004 2:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] viruses
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:49:36 +0100
lukas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi folks,
since I'm posting to this list, I receive more and more viruses every
day
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