Re: [gentoo-user] Booting the Kernel as UEFI App

2012-12-28 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 29, 2012 5:26 AM, "Randolph Maaßen" wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I just got my laptop back from repair, the main board and harddrive are changed, so bye bye data. I haven't created any data on gentoo, i couldn't even set up the system before it crashed. > > So I'm going to setup a new install, a

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Paul Colquhoun
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:27:03 Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 > > > > Mark David Dumlao wrote: > >> whatever filesystem type > >> > >> it is. > >> > >>Following this, for any distro to correctly FHS, there

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Dale
Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 07:23:33PM -0600, Dale wrote > >> Here is some info on mine, while you are waiting on William. >> >> root@fireball / # ls -al /dev/shm >> total 4 >> drwxrwxrwt 2 root root60 Dec 3 18:20 . >> drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4360 Dec 28 15:30 .. >> -rwxr-xr

[gentoo-user] Powering down the USB controller

2012-12-28 Thread Grant
I'm trying to get a USB sound card to behave in a certain way which requires it to think the computer has gone to sleep. I'm told the specific signal the sound card looks for is if the USB controller has been physically powered down. Should I unload a kernel module to accomplish this, or do I nee

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 > Mark David Dumlao wrote: > >> whatever filesystem type >> it is. > >>Following this, for any distro to correctly FHS, there needs to be a >>package manager switch to copy arbitrary packages (and depende

Re: [gentoo-user] IPTABLES syntax change?

2012-12-28 Thread Kerin Millar
Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 01:07:11AM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote On 12/27/2012 10:59 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: Here's my revised "Paranoia Plus" ruleset. Any comments? Because I'm behind a NAT-ing ADSL router/modem, many of my rules rarely see hits. However, I do have a bac

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > An example: A dev needs a newer version of a package. We upgrade it. It > refuses to startup properly, but going back is out of the question because > the dev *needs* the features only available in the new version. We check the > (extremely) d

Re: [gentoo-user] IPTABLES syntax change?

2012-12-28 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 01:07:11AM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote > On 12/27/2012 10:59 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > Here's my revised "Paranoia Plus" ruleset. Any comments? Because I'm > > behind a NAT-ing ADSL router/modem, many of my rules rarely see hits. > > However, I do have a backup d

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 07:23:33PM -0600, Dale wrote > Here is some info on mine, while you are waiting on William. > > root@fireball / # ls -al /dev/shm > total 4 > drwxrwxrwt 2 root root60 Dec 3 18:20 . > drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4360 Dec 28 15:30 .. > -rwxr-xr-x 1 dale users 32 Dec 3

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 09:35:03AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > * sys-fs/udev > Latest version available: 196-r1 > Latest version installed: 196-r1 > Size of downloaded files: 1,922 kB > Homepage:http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd > Description:

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread William Kenworthy
On 29/12/12 08:17, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:10:26PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote >> On 28/12/12 11:25, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello >>> /dev/shm/hello >> >> as a user (not root) >> >> wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ vi /dev/shm/hello >> wdk@moriah /home/v

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Dale
Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:10:26PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote >> On 28/12/12 11:25, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello >>> /dev/shm/hello >> as a user (not root) >> >> wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ vi /dev/shm/hello >> wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ chmod 75

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:14:46 -0600 > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick >> wrote: >> > On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600 >> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > >> >> In SysV, I can *write* the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:40 PM, pk wrote: > On 2012-12-28 20:01, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> Because I prefer Gentoo? > > That's what I really don't understand! You say you don't want to care > about the system which implies Fedora or any other install-and-forget > distro. I care about the sy

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} anyone tried egroupware?

2012-12-28 Thread Grant
>> Has anyone tried egroupware? Any opinions on it? >> >> - Grant >> >> >>> Yes. I have been using the community version for several years. Has anyone tried the chat feature of egroupware? - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:02:54 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Again, I don't really care about the pain - in a sick sense I sort of > like it (more if it wore high heels...) - but I'm gonna learn this > initramfs stuff and make it work because I suspect it's at least a > good thing to know. I said the

Re: [gentoo-user] Building an initramfs into the kernel

2012-12-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:33:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >One more question if I might. What's the simplest way to regenerate > the kernel when there are no kernel changes but you have changes to > the programs that are going into the initramfs? make clean seems like > overkill to me, and it's v

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/shm permissions drwxr-xr-x root:root ?

2012-12-28 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:10:26PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote > On 28/12/12 11:25, Walter Dnes wrote: > > chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello > > /dev/shm/hello > > as a user (not root) > > wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ vi /dev/shm/hello > wdk@moriah /home/vm/qemu/mail $ chmod 755 /dev/shm/hello > wdk

Re: [gentoo-user] experiences with zfsonlinux?

2012-12-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Freitag, 28. Dezember 2012, 15:21:54 schrieb Scott Ellis: > Yeah, I use ZoL for my home server (mostly pictures, videos, and mp3s) and > it works just fine. SSD for the / and /boot, and then ZFS for all the > important data in a mirrored pool. Highly recommended. (Just updated to > 3.7.1 kern

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:14:46 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick > wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600 > > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > > >> In SysV, I can *write* the daemon in the init script. > >> In *that* sense, the init system te

Re: [gentoo-user] experiences with zfsonlinux?

2012-12-28 Thread Scott Ellis
Yeah, I use ZoL for my home server (mostly pictures, videos, and mp3s) and it works just fine. SSD for the / and /boot, and then ZFS for all the important data in a mirrored pool. Highly recommended. (Just updated to 3.7.1 kernel and 0.6.0-rc13 ZoL, with no issues, in case you were worried about

Re: [gentoo-user] Building an initramfs into the kernel

2012-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:09:34 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > At th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread pk
On 2012-12-28 20:01, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Because I prefer Gentoo? That's what I really don't understand! You say you don't want to care about the system which implies Fedora or any other install-and-forget distro. I care about the system which is why I run Gentoo. Do you have USE=* in ma

[gentoo-user] Booting the Kernel as UEFI App

2012-12-28 Thread Randolph Maaßen
Hi Guys, I just got my laptop back from repair, the main board and harddrive are changed, so bye bye data. I haven't created any data on gentoo, i couldn't even set up the system before it crashed. So I'm going to setup a new install, and I have heard that you can set up the kernel as UEFI applic

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Joseph wrote: > > Thaks Mark, yes your mirrors worked. It makes me wonder what is wrong with > my mirrors (they all failed) :-/ > > GENTOO_MIRRORS="ftp://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/gentoo-mirror/ > ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/ > http:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > On Dec 29, 2012 2:18 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote: >> >> Stop thinking in sshd. I can write the *whole* daemon in shell, not in >> another script file, but inside /etc/init.d/mystupiddaemon (or >> /etc/rc.whatever); shell is Turing-compl

Re: [gentoo-user] experiences with zfsonlinux?

2012-12-28 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 2012-12-28 18:52, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > Hi, > > so in the Good/better/best filesystem for large, static video > library? thread zfs was mentioned, since I just ordered 3 new hdd to > replace the current 5 in my box (3 in raid5, 2 in raid1 > configuration), I asked myself: instead of r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 29, 2012 2:18 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote: > > Stop thinking in sshd. I can write the *whole* daemon in shell, not in > another script file, but inside /etc/init.d/mystupiddaemon (or > /etc/rc.whatever); shell is Turing-complete, I can write in it > anything I can write in C (or in asse

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 01:04:04PM -0700, Joseph wrote: > > Thaks Mark, yes your mirrors worked. It makes me wonder what is wrong with my > mirrors (they all failed) :-/ > > GENTOO_MIRRORS="ftp://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/gentoo-mirror/ > ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gento

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
On 12/28/12 11:21, Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Joseph wrote: Where is "module-init-tools-3.16-r2"? My system wants to upgrade it and it is mark stable but I can not download it at all. I know "kmod" is going to replace it eventually but it is not mark stable yet. -- J

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:54:15AM -0700, Joseph wrote: > Where is "module-init-tools-3.16-r2"? > My system wants to upgrade it and it is mark stable but I can not download it > at all. > > I know "kmod" is going to replace it eventually but it is not mark stable yet. > > -- > Joseph Same prob

Re: [gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Joseph wrote: > Where is "module-init-tools-3.16-r2"? > My system wants to upgrade it and it is mark stable but I can not download > it at all. > > I know "kmod" is going to replace it eventually but it is not mark stable > yet. > > -- > Joseph > I have module-in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600 > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> In SysV, I can *write* the daemon in the init script. >> In *that* sense, the init system tells the daemon how to do things, > > Please explain, sure there is the environ

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM, pk wrote: > On 2012-12-28 00:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> Well, yeah, that's the point. I want to install Gentoo in my mother's >> PC, and never have to go to her house because someting broke. > > I really don't have the time nor the inclination to continue

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/28/12 13:15, pk wrote: > On 2012-12-28 00:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> Well, yeah, that's the point. I want to install Gentoo in my mother's >> PC, and never have to go to her house because someting broke. > > I really don't have the time nor the inclination to continue this but... >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > In SysV, I can *write* the daemon in the init script. > In *that* sense, the init system tells the daemon how to do things, Please explain, sure there is the environment that tells a daemon what to do. No shell can tell a c daemon l

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 Mark David Dumlao wrote: > whatever filesystem type > it is. >Following this, for any distro to correctly FHS, there needs to be a >package manager switch to copy arbitrary packages (and dependent >libraries) from /usr to /. As of yet not implemented. > Not

[gentoo-user] module-init-tools - can not download it

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
Where is "module-init-tools-3.16-r2"? My system wants to upgrade it and it is mark stable but I can not download it at all. I know "kmod" is going to replace it eventually but it is not mark stable yet. -- Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
On 12/28/12 13:00, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 12/28/12 12:51, Joseph wrote: Yes, I run osCommerce on my server. Is the manuall command: mysqldump --opt -ppassword catalog > catalog_backup.sql I think --opt is on by default, but yes, that should do it. If you would like to automate the backu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-28 Thread pk
On 2012-12-28 00:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Well, yeah, that's the point. I want to install Gentoo in my mother's > PC, and never have to go to her house because someting broke. I really don't have the time nor the inclination to continue this but... Why would you in that case install Gento

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/28/12 12:51, Joseph wrote: > > Yes, I run osCommerce on my server. > Is the manuall command: > > mysqldump --opt -ppassword catalog > catalog_backup.sql > I think --opt is on by default, but yes, that should do it. If you would like to automate the backup (say, nightly), you can add the f

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Bruce Hill > wrote: >> Dang, I got an Excedrin® headache! > Heh. Mike said he was game. It's going to have to wait a bit. I'm not going to be able to get to this this weekend, most likely; the level of

[gentoo-user] experiences with zfsonlinux?

2012-12-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Hi, so in the Good/better/best filesystem for large, static video library? thread zfs was mentioned, since I just ordered 3 new hdd to replace the current 5 in my box (3 in raid5, 2 in raid1 configuration), I asked myself: instead of raid5+xfs or ext4 or whatever else that might be a sane solut

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
On 12/28/12 11:06, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 12/28/12 10:56, Joseph wrote: Your are correct, when I removed the quotes it worked. I'm backing it up through the backup.php sript that came with osCommerce, I can post it but it is a long one. I am... familiar... with osCommerce. You will be m

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: > Dang, I got an Excedrin® headache! Heh. Mike said he was game. -- This email is:[ ] actionable [ ] fyi[x] social Response needed: [ ] yes [x] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate[ ] soon [x] none

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 01:16:34AM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > TLDR: FHS is unrealistic about its promises. if we move our binaries / > libraries to /usr and work it to make sure /usr is mounted, we will > better serve FHS goals and also happen to fix some systemic, but > silent bugs. > > >

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
TLDR: FHS is unrealistic about its promises. if we move our binaries / libraries to /usr and work it to make sure /usr is mounted, we will better serve FHS goals and also happen to fix some systemic, but silent bugs. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/28/12 10:56, Joseph wrote: > > Your are correct, when I removed the quotes it worked. > > I'm backing it up through the backup.php sript that came with > osCommerce, I can post it but it is a long one. > I am... familiar... with osCommerce. You will be much better off doing a mysqldump if

Re: [gentoo-user] php CURRENT_TIMESTAMP vs NOW()

2012-12-28 Thread Joseph
On 12/28/12 02:00, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 12/28/2012 01:44 AM, Joseph wrote: I'm not a PHP programmer but I'll try to explain my problem. I've create table in my php database: DROP TABLE IF EXISTS visual_verify_code; CREATE TABLE visual_verify_code ( oscsid varchar(32) NOT NULL, code

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> > Should perl be in / or /usr? >> >> Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ >> being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. >> > > >> Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in Perl? O

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Should perl be in / or /usr? > > Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ > being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. > > Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in Perl? Or in > anything other than sh? If they're intended for emerg

Re: [gentoo-user] gconf - failed: not writable

2012-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: > Sorry for replying to my own; must have deleted OP. > > This morning's world update only wanted to rebuild gconf because they made the > gtk dep optional and dropped the doc USE: > > [ebuild R] gnome-base/gconf-2.32.4:2 USE="gtk%* intros

Re: [gentoo-user] gconf - failed: not writable

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 09:38:38PM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 07:34:00PM -0700, Joseph wrote: > > > > Looking at the package list: > > http://packages.gentoo.org/package/gnome-base/gconf?arches=fbsd > > > > gnome-base/gconf is not mark stable or testing at all, there is a

Re: [gentoo-user] How broken is my raid device /dev/md6?

2012-12-28 Thread Robert David
Hi, what does say: cat /proc/mdstat This happened on running system? The root is still running fine I suppose. Try run smartctl test on both drives. And do not rebuild or recreate md before you do not know all information, you can terribly broke your root. Robert. On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:20:

Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen

2012-12-28 Thread Robert David
Hi Kevin, what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and screen lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some xscreenlock stuff, it is just part of e. Just check settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin lock_on_suspend. Thats all:) If you missing something, just make sure you b

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3.6 ... and related thoughts

2012-12-28 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 28.12.2012 01:23, schrieb Randolph Maaßen: > Maybe interesting to read: > http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ > I think we had this before in the list Thanks for that pointer ... interesting read. Stefan