Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> >> For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen as >> the default. > > Ridiculous. Forget about Canek's rant... > > This is about *choice*. Also, I would argue the *opposit

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:00 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Tue, February 18, 2014 18:12, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [ snip ] >> Of course the larger a project is the *potential* number of bugs >> increases, but so what? With enough developers, users and testers, all >> bugs are *potentially* sq

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:50 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Tue, February 18, 2014 15:37, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:54 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: >>> As I do not have systemd installed on any machine, I can't check the >>> man-pages. >> >> They are online [1]. > > Usefu

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 4:38 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: >> ... >> What have you done to rule out hardware? > > nothing. > > I think hardware would not make only specific apps/windows fail, right? > At least it doesn't sound very likely to me ... Sorry, didn't fully read your origina

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2014-02-18 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler wrote: >> >> First I thought that with systemd I have to use all the things shipped >> with systemd like journald (which I don't like because I think that a >> binary file for syslogs is just broken) so I

[gentoo-user] Re: EFI-based bootloader for BIOS-based computers (?)

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:39:51 -0800, walt wrote: > I just spotted that phrase in the sourceforge newsletter: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/cloverefiboot/ > > and it seems to me like an oxymoron. If that phrase makes > logical sense then my definitions of 'BIOS' and 'EFI' need > the latest

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

Debian's powerful and stable, and I like apt very much. Gentoo and arch can be used for soho. Google uses red hat in datacenter with a customized kernel, and facebook started the project of open compute. are several RISC processors going to die? On 2014年02月20日 08:53,

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

On 20 Feb 2014 06:23, "Facundo Curti" wrote: > > I think a "more stable" distro is better for production. My choice is debian. I think you cant find nothing more stable that debian... > > > >Gentoo makes the best server os because it's a custom built os where the admin knows each and every aspect

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

I think a "more stable" distro is better for production. My choice is debian. I think you cant find nothing more stable that debian... >Gentoo makes the best server os because it's a custom built os where the admin knows each and every aspect of the os. This is true, but gentoo is a little unstab

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

Maybe it's intresting, although I prefer to use red hat, suse or ubuntu in datacenter as Google. Slackware servers're not very poppular here On 2014年02月20日 08:14, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: > > On 20 Feb 2014 05:12, "Franklin Wang" > wrote: > > > > and what about slackwa

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

On 20 Feb 2014 05:12, "Franklin Wang" wrote: > > and what about slackware for server? > > > Original Message > Subject: > How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment? > Date: > Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:41:28 +0800 > From: > Franklin Wang > To: > gentoo-ser...@lis

[gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

and what about slackware for server? Original Message Subject:How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment? Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:41:28 +0800 From: Franklin Wang To: gentoo-ser...@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-clus...@lists.gentoo.org Hi a

[gentoo-user] EFI-based bootloader for BIOS-based computers (?)

I just spotted that phrase in the sourceforge newsletter: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cloverefiboot/ and it seems to me like an oxymoron. If that phrase makes logical sense then my definitions of 'BIOS' and 'EFI' need the latest updates :) Until now I thought that EFI is a recent replacemen

Re: [gentoo-user] Why WordPress is masked?

On 19/02/2014 23:38, Gevisz wrote: >> I doubt it does what you apear to think it does. vimpress is a >> > wordpress editing tool running in the vim editor. It connects to a >> > wordpress blog and let's you do the edits in vim instead of some >> > other editing tool. But you still need to have acce

Re: [gentoo-user] Why WordPress is masked?

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:18:49 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 19/02/2014 16:54, Gevisz wrote: > > > > I was recently told that I will have to use WordPress to do some > > translation job. > > > > After emerge --search wordpress, I have found that this package is > > currently masked (at least fo

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

Am 19.02.2014 20:02, schrieb Alan McKinnon: > Yes, it can. But not in the obvious way. > > Video cards and GPUs are complex devices implementing numerous > features. It is possible that your GPU/video card hardware is broken > wrt one or a few of these features and Mozilla apps are the only ones

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:54:08 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > There are technical arguments for and against systemd, which is why > > this thread was started, rhetoric about forcing default profiles on > > people when there is no such thing as a default profile only serve > > to cloud the real is

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 19.02.2014 09:50, J. Roeleveld wrote: > Additionally, the use of "tail -f" and "grep" allows me to check the logs > real-time for debugging purposes. > Having to use a seperate tool that converts some proprietary binary format > to human readable/scriptable single-line logs makes no sense. Thi

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

On 19/02/2014 18:38, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 19.02.2014 16:57, schrieb Stroller: >> >> On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 1:57 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger >> wrote: >>> ... >>> btw: my thinkpads don't show this behavior. Same gnome, kernel, >>> thunderbird, but intel-based graphics. So it smells

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

Am 19.02.2014 16:57, schrieb Stroller: > > On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 1:57 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger > wrote: >> ... >> btw: my thinkpads don't show this behavior. Same gnome, kernel, >> thunderbird, but intel-based graphics. So it smells like nvidia ... > > What have you done to rule out hard

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 1:57 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > ... > btw: my thinkpads don't show this behavior. Same gnome, kernel, > thunderbird, but intel-based graphics. So it smells like nvidia ... What have you done to rule out hardware? Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Why WordPress is masked?

On 19/02/2014 16:54, Gevisz wrote: > > I was recently told that I will have to use WordPress to do some > translation job. > > After emerge --search wordpress, I have found that this package is > currently masked (at least for amd64 architecture). The same says > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Word

Re: [gentoo-user] Why WordPress is masked?

Hi, On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:54:12 +0200 Gevisz wrote: > After emerge --search wordpress, I have found that this package is > currently masked (at least for amd64 architecture). The same says > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/WordPress > > Earlier, in this mailing list, I was told that I can see the r

[gentoo-user] Why WordPress is masked?

I was recently told that I will have to use WordPress to do some translation job. After emerge --search wordpress, I have found that this package is currently masked (at least for amd64 architecture). The same says https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/WordPress Earlier, in this mailing list, I was told

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: flickering thunderbird and firefox

Am 19.02.2014 14:40, schrieb walt: > On 02/19/2014 01:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: >> >> For a week or so I see flickering applications here. >> >> I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update >> didn't help. >> >> I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-33

[gentoo-user] Re: flickering thunderbird and firefox

On 02/19/2014 01:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > > For a week or so I see flickering applications here. > > I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update > didn't help. > > I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 ... I also > didn't find anything

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 2014-02-18 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler wrote: First I thought that with systemd I have to use all the things shipped with systemd like journald (which I don't like because I think that a binary file for syslogs is just broken) so I looked into the config files of systemd, deactivated journald a

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen as the default. Ridiculous. Forget about Canek's rant... This is about *choice*. Also, I would argue the *opposite of what Canek is saying in this last rant... If he and other

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:19:43 + thegeezer wrote: [...] > >> For all this talk about technical details, > >> nobody seems to notice the marketing > > A few people including myself have noted it earlier. > > > >> that's going on and frankly it disgusts me. > > And me too. > > > > > I have to conf

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/19/2014 04:50 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:34:35 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >>> How is putting systemd setting in a profile that a user has to >>> consciously choose to use forcing anything on anyone? Profiles >>> are

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:34:35 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > How is putting systemd setting in a profile that a user has to > > consciously choose to use forcing anything on anyone? Profiles are > > the essence of choice but it appears you only want the choices you > > approve of to be availabl

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:53:12 +0400 the wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 02/18/14 17:56, Gevisz wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés > > wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz > >> wrote: [ snip ] > >>> How can you

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/19/2014 03:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:04:14 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: > Or to create a non-systemd profile :) > >> For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be >> chosen as the default. > > Q

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

Am 19.02.2014 11:27, schrieb Dale: > I don't recall upgrading my Nvidia drives with the last update but > Firefox did upgrade. I notice some weird stuff going on to but not sure > of the cause yet. It may be Firefox since that seems to be all that is > affected here. All the other programs work

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > For a week or so I see flickering applications here. > > I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update > didn't help. > > I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 ... I also > didn't find anything matching at bgo. > > This is

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/19/2014 09:06 AM, Gevisz wrote: > On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:04:14 -0600 > Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko >>> wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> Y

[gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

For a week or so I see flickering applications here. I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update didn't help. I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 ... I also didn't find anything matching at bgo. This is gnome-3.10, I know, masked stuff ... but

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:04:14 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko > > wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatev

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:04:14 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> Or to create a non-systemd profile :) > For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen as > the default. Quite the opposite, to have a separate systemd profile would mean that systemd was not the default, oth

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Tue, February 18, 2014 18:12, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Andrew Savchenko > wrote: > [...] >> Every decent project has QA and unit tests one way or another. But >> the larger project is, the more bugs it has. And I do not want bugs >> in PID 1, that's why i

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On Tue, February 18, 2014 15:37, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:54 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> As I do not have systemd installed on any machine, I can't check the >> man-pages. > > They are online [1]. Useful, but not necessary for this discussion. >> But, if that is th