Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Gnome: No sound - No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found

2008-03-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you could file a feature request at b.g.o. to get the old behaviour back. It seems entirely reasonable to me that rhythmbox should DEPENDs on gst-plugins-base which should conditionally

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Setting LINGUAS seperately for some packages

2008-03-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag, 13. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: I'd like to set LINGUAS=de for almost every package. But for the sys-apps/man-pages package,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Setting LINGUAS seperately for some packages

2008-03-13 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Donnerstag, 13. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag, 13. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: I'd like to set LINGUAS=de for

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Ghosting a Ext3 partition

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Schmarck
Crayon Shin Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 March 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What supports what is a good reason for non-filesystem backups. For example partimage has trouble with XFS (still...after all these years...). A program like dd doesn't care the fs. Call it a device

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Ghosting a Ext3 partition

2008-03-05 Thread cypherstrong
Another way to do (I do it actually) Is to get a drive with ext3 partition for example Create a directory for your backup and use Rsync to copy any file with differential feature. First time could take a long time, next time are very fast. To backup everythink on the system, I run the single

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-15 Thread Eric Martin
Alan McKinnon wrote: to build other distros. It is not suitable for newbies (disregard the occasional newbie that does get it right, that's a minority and very atypical), and one really does have to have moved beyond the Oh, look! Shiny installer! mentality to appreciate it. When you get to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Eric Martin wrote: Anybody that feels they *need* or *must have* an official Gentoo installer is probably the wrong target market and should be referred to other distros that will suit their needs better. This is not a troll or an elitist statement, it's just

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-15 Thread Mark Knecht
On Jan 15, 2008 12:48 PM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Eric Martin wrote: Anybody that feels they *need* or *must have* an official Gentoo installer is probably the wrong target market and should be referred to other distros that will suit their

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:27:30 +0100, b.n. wrote: If I can give you an advice: don't create a new livecd from scratch. Take an Ubuntu, Knoppix or similar live cd, just add these three files in a /gentoo directory, and re-release it xerox, with just the three files added and a Gentoo logo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Cocoy Dayao
On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:27:30 +0100, b.n. wrote: If I can give you an advice: don't create a new livecd from scratch. Take an Ubuntu, Knoppix or similar live cd, just add these three files in a /gentoo directory, and re-release it xerox,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 14, 2008 1:19 AM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me explain. You began complaining because the Gentoo live cd *exists*, but it is out of date and didn't support your hardware. It's a reasonable complain in the assumption you need the Gentoo cd (and you can't do with anything else):

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 14, 2008 10:17 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:27:30 +0100, b.n. wrote: If I can give you an advice: don't create a new livecd from scratch. Take an Ubuntu, Knoppix or similar live cd, just add these three files in a /gentoo directory, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 14, 2008 10:39 AM, Cocoy Dayao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah. i agree. In fact, imho the most perfect gentoo installer is the mini live cd! what more can anybody need? would it take much effort to maintain/refresh a mini live cd installer? Couldn't that be refreshed every couple of

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:24:52 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by using an official install disc. I don't understand that. What confidence? To install Gentoo, you need a way to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread b.n.
Galevsky ha scritto: The reason other distro have complex live cds for installing is that they *need that*. Gentoo does not need this additional complexity. Nevertheless a live cd there was, but as you experienced, it's more the trouble it causes than that it solves. I disagree. Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 14, 2008 5:54 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're excited by different things :) No doubt :) Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Pongracz Istvan
install CD - a CD, which is outdated. ... hardware where to install it? No. So why do not having an official livecd makes it incomplete? Think it the other way. Gentoo is, among other things, a way to install Linux from any decent Linux live cd. From this point of view, the fact that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Norman Rieß
Michael Schmarck schrieb: · Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael Schmarck schrieb: · Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right, basicly telling people You have to depend on / use other distros to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide this

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:06:39 +0100, b.n. wrote: Because you don't have to add *anything* to such cd. -What do you need to install Gentoo? A working Linux live cd with a terminal and chroot. -Are a terminal and chroot available on 99.9% of Linux live cds

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Still no complaints about your opinion from my side ;-). *G* In short. An outdated InstallCD is bad and no InstallCD at all is bad, too. I agree that an outdated Install CD is bad. But I disagree, that no Install CD at all is bad. I think it's not bad.

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:35:55 +0100, b.n. wrote: But i still think a Gentoo-Install-CD/DVD is a good thing. Any practical reason for that? It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. Why's that? One of the problems with mixing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Dale
Michael Schmarck wrote: SNIP How do you get that stuff (the Install CD)? By downloading? Why can't you download the handbook, snapshot and stage tar ball as well at that time? And what tools are you talking about? fdisk? chroot? SNIP Michael Schmarck Actually, I order mine off

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Norman Rieß
Michael Schmarck schrieb: · Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Still no complaints about your opinion from my side ;-). *G* In short. An outdated InstallCD is bad and no InstallCD at all is bad, too. I agree that an outdated Install CD is bad. But I disagree, that no

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:53:48 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: You also need the handbook, a portage snapshot and a stage tarball. How many live CDs provide these? None. But the portage snapshot is best fetched from the web anyway, as far as I'm concerned. Same with the handbook, as it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:00:20 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. Why's that? Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by using an official install disc. It also allows you to install without a network

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Ken Gypen
On 2008-01-13 16:29:15 (+), Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:53:48 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: You also need the handbook, a portage snapshot and a stage tarball. How many live CDs provide these? None. But the portage snapshot is best fetched

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Pongracz Istvan
2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 17.46-kor Ken Gypen ezt írta: I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. ... Regards, Ken After reading lot of posts regarding install cd, I decided, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 13, 2008 7:03 PM, Pongracz Istvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 17.46-kor Ken Gypen ezt írta: I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. ... Regards,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Pongracz Istvan
2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 19.22-kor Galevsky ezt írta: I can't help you immediately, but be sure I am going to help you if you'll still need it in a few months. For me, the key is to keep the handbook up-to-date. IMHO, it is a must. Having a 2. Choosing the Right Installation Medium

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Mark Knecht
On Jan 13, 2008 10:03 AM, Pongracz Istvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 17.46-kor Ken Gypen ezt írta: I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. ... Regards,

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:53:48 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: You also need the handbook, a portage snapshot and a stage tarball. How many live CDs provide these? None. But the portage snapshot is best fetched from the web anyway, as far as I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:20:04 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: This cannot be done, as the install CD has to be fetched over network anyway. At that time, the portage snapshot and handbook can be downloaded as well. I've already covered that in a previous reply to you. -- Neil Bothwick Is it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:15:38 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: 1) Boots new hardware well enough to do the install. The current LiveCD doesn't boot a P5E motherboard so I couldn't do the install on that machine using it. It booted on mine, I installed from a 2007.0 install disc. 2) Has networking

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 13, 2008 8:03 PM, Pongracz Istvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will prepare a project page on my website and I try to create the first release in some weeks. Probably less, than one, depends on my free time. I will send a mail to this list to inform you about the progress :) Sounds good

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:00:20 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. Why's that? Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by using an official install disc. I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:24:52 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by using an official install disc. I don't understand that. What confidence? To install Gentoo, you need a way to partition your storage, create filesystems and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Mark Knecht
On Jan 13, 2008 11:26 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:15:38 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: 1) Boots new hardware well enough to do the install. The current LiveCD doesn't boot a P5E motherboard so I couldn't do the install on that machine using it. It booted

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Qian Qiao
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: Assuming you know what you are doing. If you've ever tried to help a number of less confident users through it, you'd know what I mean. While I don't disagree that a Gentoo live CD is absolutely necessary, you seem to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 13, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'd rather say, that it would be better, if there were no install CD at all. But it can be done. It's not worth the effort, though, as far as I'm concerned. Since your are not concerned about releasing them, you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread b.n.
Galevsky ha scritto: On Jan 13, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'd rather say, that it would be better, if there were no install CD at all. But it can be done. It's not worth the effort, though, as far as I'm concerned. Since your are not concerned about

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread b.n.
Pongracz Istvan ha scritto: 2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 17.46-kor Ken Gypen ezt írta: I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. ... Regards, Ken After reading lot of posts

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Pongracz Istvan
2008. 01. 14, hétfő keltezéssel 01.27-kor b.n. ezt írta: If I can give you an advice: don't create a new livecd from scratch. Take an Ubuntu, Knoppix or similar live cd, just add these three files in a /gentoo directory, and re-release it xerox, with just the three files added and a Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:29:34 +0100, b.n. wrote: Moreover, I'd go on to say that the fact Gentoo is installable from almost every reasonable Linux-based live cd is a defining Gentoo feature. It doesn't even need a live CD. I installed Ubuntu when I first got this laptop, because I needed a

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-12 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael Schmarck schrieb: · Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right, basicly telling people You have to depend on / use other distros to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide this sounds a little fishy. It makes Gentoo look

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-12 Thread b.n.
Michael Schmarck ha scritto: · Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Depends. You're saying, that Gentoo might look to be incomplete, if it were to rely on other distributions (Live CDs). I'm saying, that it currently already looks to be incomplete, despite there being a install CD - a CD, which is

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Schmarck
Galevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tel me how to install Gentoo in that case. Boot from any Live CD (like GRML) and do the installation from there, in a chroot. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-11 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On Jan 11, 2008 12:53 PM, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Galevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tel me how to install Gentoo in that case. Boot from any Live CD (like GRML) and do the installation from there, in a chroot. And you can use any storage media to hold the important

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Galevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jan 11, 2008 11:02 AM, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped without a loss. Michael I'll try to make you understand it. After reading your reply, I've got to say that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-11 Thread Qian Qiao
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Galevsky wrote: Yes it is. Portage is not included Huh? If are talking about installation, then whether the LiveCD carries portage or not is irrelavent, portage is in the stage tarball you fetch over the internet. you depend on other systems that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-11 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 11, 2008 8:08 PM, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GRML ? Knoppix ? other LiveCD ? What for, man ? Oh, quite easy - to install Gentoo. That way, the knowledge of experts in creating live CDs is leveraged. NIH is not a good point of view, if you ask me. Using extra rescue

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 12 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote: I mean dealing with Gentoo components versions sounds sensible watching GRML/Knoppix/whatever website for a Gentoo install...surely less. As I said in the thread earlier, do not bind your mind to the idea that you need gentoo to install

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-11 Thread b.n.
Alan McKinnon ha scritto: Gentoo is NOT plug in and go, it is a complex scheme that allows you to build other distros. Exactly. Moreover, I'd go on to say that the fact Gentoo is installable from almost every reasonable Linux-based live cd is a defining Gentoo feature. The real Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-11 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On Jan 11, 2008 11:29 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan McKinnon ha scritto: Gentoo is NOT plug in and go, it is a complex scheme that allows you to build other distros. Exactly. Moreover, I'd go on to say that the fact Gentoo is installable from almost every reasonable Linux-based

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Picasa 2.7 Beta

2007-12-12 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:01:55 +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200568 reports success using rpm2targz And why should that make any difference? I mean, after all, I am able to extract the package. It's just, that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Picasa 2.7 Beta

2007-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:37:47 +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: I'm not saying that the extraction method is important, but that someone has got it to run and detailed the steps in the bug report. Well, let's not fight, but his steps are at least as detailed as what I've written here :)

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emerging virtual/editor installs nano - why?

2007-12-07 Thread Alexander Skwar
Emil Beinroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 02:29:54PM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Emil Beinroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is a virtual/editor package in the tree, that selects nano as the default choice. How does it do that? It's done by using the RDEPEND

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emerging virtual/editor installs nano - why?

2007-12-07 Thread Emil Beinroth
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 04:15:59PM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Emil Beinroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I would say you don't. Just emerge the package you want (as you already mentioned). Okay. And why am I able to preselect the mta the way I demonstrated? Because virtual/mta is

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread Alexander Skwar
Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Skwar wrote: Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk Heinrichs wrote: pvcreate /dev/hda vgcreate data /dev/hda lvcreate -L42g data mkfs /dev/data/lvol0 What's so hard about that? Does that fit on a postcard? it needs a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread felix
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:48:11AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Pretty short, if you ask me ;) What? Pardon? Exactly. That's too basic. People asking that kind of question shouldn't be administering a system. See howto. They don't belong together. See the howto. What? It isn't. As

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread Eric Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:48:11AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Pretty short, if you ask me ;) What? Pardon? Exactly. That's too basic. People asking that kind of question shouldn't be administering a system. See howto. They don't belong together. See the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: permissions, fstab and LVM

2007-10-09 Thread Alexander Skwar
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2007 schrieb Thufir: Read my first response again: In fstab you specify who can _mount_ a volume. In the _mounted_ volumes filesystem, you specify access rights using chmod, chgrp, chown or, if using ACLs, setfacl. And if you

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:34:41 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: What does this have to do with GNU tar and it adding superflous options? Quite a lot. -j et.al. are non-standard options. If a (badly written) script relies on the presence of -j, this script

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Alexander Skwar, Yes, it's very bad that Gentoo scripts don't limit themselves to POSIX. Another windmill to fight against. Artificially limiting yourself to the lowest common denominator when better options are available is bad, and discourages evolution. POSIX specifies the minimum

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:14:58 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: Back to tar: Why use tar -j in scripts, when bzip2 | tar does the same thing? I very much disagree that tar -j is the better option here; Either way requires that you first determine the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:45:51 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: Either way requires that you first determine the type of compression used before you can decide where to pipe tar's output, if at all. Whereas something like tar xf somefile avoids the need to do file somefile and parse the output

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 10:59:00 Neil Bothwick wrote: Pardon? tar xf somefile doesn't do any compression at all. I don't get what you mean. No, but it does do whatever decompression is required. Of course, you do have to specify a compression method when creating a compressed

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:45:51 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: Either way requires that you first determine the type of compression used before you can decide where to pipe tar's output, if at all. Whereas something like tar xf somefile avoids the need

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:08:11 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: No, but it does do whatever decompression is required. Hey, that's a nice feature. I didn't know about that. Be careful, it is not part of the POSIX standard and may cause premature hair loss ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Klingons do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch, 26. September 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:34:41 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: What does this have to do with GNU tar and it adding superflous options? Quite a lot. -j et.al. are non-standard options. If a (badly

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-25 Thread Alexander Skwar
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Sep 2007, at 09:30, Alexander Skwar wrote: ... and if p7zip supports pipes, you don't need its support in tar. Just pipe from/to it. It does and that's the way it's supposed to be used on unix, according to its manpage. GNU tar features the -j,

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-25 Thread Alexander Skwar
Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Skwar schrieb: Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: star supports p7zip which can be much better and especially more flexible than bzip2, gzip and zip. Uhm, what's bad about tar cf - | p7zip It's a bit cumbersome

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-25 Thread b.n.
Alexander Skwar ha scritto: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Sep 2007, at 09:30, Alexander Skwar wrote: ... and if p7zip supports pipes, you don't need its support in tar. Just pipe from/to it. It does and that's the way it's supposed to be used on unix, according to its manpage.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-25 Thread Florian Philipp
Alexander Skwar schrieb: Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Skwar schrieb: Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: star supports p7zip which can be much better and especially more flexible than bzip2, gzip and zip. Uhm, what's bad about tar cf - | p7zip

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-18 Thread Alexander Skwar
Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Skwar wrote: Well, I also found myself being unable to start sshd, but these most often were due to some configuration changes. And exactly for this is why test-restart was proposed by me. And exactly in these cases, a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-18 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alexander Skwar wrote: And exactly in these cases, a test-restart won't work, as you'd need to shutdown the primary sshd first. sshd -t doesn't need to have sshd stopped beforehand. And, to make it more clear, the checkconfig() patch proposed by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Mike Williams
On Sunday 16 September 2007 18:01:48 Alexander Skwar wrote: Key words in some circumstances. Like? Actually, I never found this to be true. Never? Good for you. Grant, the original poster would disagree (who got himself locked out due to the inability to restart sshd BTW), and so would I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alexander Skwar wrote: Well, I also found myself being unable to start sshd, but these most often were due to some configuration changes. And exactly for this is why test-restart was proposed by me. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Alexander Skwar
Mike Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 16 September 2007 18:01:48 Alexander Skwar wrote: Key words in some circumstances. Like? Actually, I never found this to be true. Never? Good for you. Yep. Grant, the original poster would disagree (who got himself locked out due to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:25:07 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A /etc/init.d/sshd stop won't kill any SSH sessions. It'll simply the sshd master process. Because of that, additional logins won't be possible. An /etc/init.d/sshd stop/restart can very well fail. Depending on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:15:24 -0300 Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Skwar wrote: Well, I also found myself being unable to start sshd, but these most often were due to some configuration changes. And exactly for this is why test-restart was proposed by me.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: Hi, Hi! So I would definately prefer to always have a guaranteed working sshd running (I find OpenVPN/telnet a bit strange and an unnecessary potential security hole). If running permanently, then I agree, but I do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 11:15 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alexander Skwar wrote: Well, I also found myself being unable to start sshd, but these most often were due to some configuration changes. And exactly for this is why

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:56:16 -0300 Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I would definately prefer to always have a guaranteed working sshd running (I find OpenVPN/telnet a bit strange and an unnecessary potential security hole). If running permanently, then I agree,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-17 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: I just prefer manual opening of access means above manual securing them. It's just about what happens if you fail -- when the task was securing, you might have a security leak, but if it was openiung access, it is still

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo]Block certain websites

2007-09-16 Thread Alexander Skwar
· Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sunday 16 September 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: · Balaviswanathan Vaidyanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, This is to know how to block certain websites as I intend to set up a browsing centre based on Gentoo OS Forget about it. There are far

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo]Block certain websites

2007-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 16 September 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: One important thing to note, though. It's important to remember that the proxy operator could easily sniff all the traffic that's going through the proxy. The proxy needs to be able to read the traffic. Thanks :-) I don't need to use your

[ot] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo]Block certain websites

2007-09-16 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alan McKinnon wrote: I don't need to use your proxy though but it is nice to have an one available in meetings with some half-wit admins who insist they can block anything/anytime/anywhere. When that happens I can never remember/find one fast

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-16 Thread Alexander Skwar
· Mike Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sunday 16 September 2007 16:40:45 Alexander Skwar wrote: openssh, in some circumstances (I believe to be openssl changing ABI), will not restart as you found. It will only not restart when it's being actively used, so you can't do so will logged in.

Re: [ot] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo]Block certain websites

2007-09-16 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:19:06 -0300 Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other day something quite funny happened to me. I was with my Laptop trying to find an open AP. I found one, but couldn't browser the internet nor get my OpenVPN (against a USA-based server) up

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-16 Thread Alexander Skwar
· Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Graham Murray wrote: What circumstances? I too have performed updates on several remote systems via SSH and run /etc/init.d/sshd restart and never had any problems. Something like /etc/init.d/sshd test-restart would be nice. For what? It'd

Re: [ot] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo]Block certain websites

2007-09-16 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: I just use ssh for this. Using the -D flag gives a SOCKS5 proxy, listening locally, making/accepting connections on the ssh remote end. You can use it directly in Firefox, no need for full-fledged VPN. (and for that,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-16 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alexander Skwar wrote: A /etc/init.d/sshd stop won't kill any SSH sessions. It'll simply the sshd master process. Because of that, additional logins won't be possible. You seem to believe that most people makes no mistakes. I wouldn't need

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-16 Thread Alexander Skwar
· Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alexander Skwar wrote: A /etc/init.d/sshd stop won't kill any SSH sessions. It'll simply the sshd master process. Because of that, additional logins won't be possible. You seem to believe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SSH won't restart

2007-09-16 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alexander Skwar wrote: For what? What should it safeguard against? You can't just start a 2nd instance of sshd while the 1st is still running, as they (usually) should then bind to the same port. That won't work, obviously. Ok, ok, you win. -

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: 500 meg / partition (including /boot) *WITHOUT USING LVM*

2007-09-04 Thread Alexander Skwar
· Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:45:15AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote You will always have a pretty good idea how much space / needs, it contains /bin, /sbin, /etc, /root and /lib. Unless oyu are in the habit of storing stuff in /root, 500M is plenty. So put / on

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: packages.gentoo.org down?

2007-08-10 Thread Alexander Skwar
· Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 10 August 2007 18:01:09 Dan Cowsill wrote: Again, I apologize for the outage. We'll be back online next week and hopefully after that we'll have a better way of dealing with issues like this when they arise. So please have patience

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: packages.gentoo.org down?

2007-08-10 Thread Dan Cowsill
The point is if you want immediate and professional reactions everytime something happens you should be paying someone to monitor things.. I'm sorry, it just seems a tad ignorant to assume that the reason the problem with the server was not addressed is because no one was being paid to

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: insert text onto a PDF

2007-07-30 Thread Anno v. Heimburg
Thufir wrote: Gimp seems to be primary tool for this, though Well, not necessarily. Any graphics program that can load pdf would work for what you want to do. Gimp is one of them, but Krita can import pdf, too. Also, if you have the poppler and netpbm packages installed, you can use pdftoppm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Linux becomes expensive ;)

2007-07-21 Thread Crayon Shin Chan
On Thursday 19 July 2007 01:28, Anno v. Heimburg wrote: I remember a rather old (mid-90s) study done by WD which concluded that a start-up poses wear on the HD equivalent to 30h of idling. I can't find it any more, and it's been ten years, so things might be different these days, but the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Knode missing from Kontact

2007-06-21 Thread Alexander Skwar
Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 20 June 2007 18:23, Alexander Skwar wrote: Patrick Holthaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you install knode? *LOL* Yeah, first try to catch the low hanging fruits, right? :) Yes, I DO have Knode installed *g* Next low hanging fruit: Yep,

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